Bama had their shot at home with 101,000 + screaming crimson-necks in their corner and couldn't get the job done. You just can't give a team the chance of winning a MNC when they don't even make it totheir own conference championship game. Who should play in the Nat'l Title Game? I don't have a frickin clue. All I know is that if Bama gets the opportunity to play for it all while sitting on their *** watching LSU-UGA play in Atlanta, then you basically have totally discounted the regular season matchup on November 5th. That's a very slippery slope to go down.Every weekend is supposed to matter in college football. Or so they say.
Bama doesn't deserve another chance
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Bama had their shot at home with 101,000 + screaming crimson-necks in their corner and couldn't get the job done. You just can't give a team the chance of winning a MNC when they don't even make it totheir own conference championship game. Who should play in the Nat'l Title Game? I don't have a frickin clue. All I know is that if Bama gets the opportunity to play for it all while sitting on their *** watching LSU-UGA play in Atlanta, then you basically have totally discounted the regular season matchup on November 5th. That's a very slippery slope to go down.Every weekend is supposed to matter in college football. Or so they say.
when you start dismissing a rematch, you start using terrible logic. Should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Boise State get rewarded b/c they lost to teams that are not very good as opposed to losing the number 1 team in the country?
At some point, voters need to do what they are supposed to do, pick the 2 best teams. Right now, that's LSU and Bama.
At some point, voters need to do what they are supposed to do, pick the 2 best teams. Right now, that's LSU and Bama.
Let's say that this year's LSU team is Miss. State and we've had a dreamseason including a hard-fought OT win in Tuscaloosato remain in the driver's seat in the SEC West. If we win our last 2 games, we must face a resurgent Georgia team in the SEC Championship game while Alabama watchesit on the tube. There istalk thatafter beating a very good Georgia team, we are very likely going to have to face and beat BamaAGAIN to win the MNC. If we lose to Bama in that game, they win the MNC after we had beaten them fair and square on the road in T-town.Would you really like for MSU to be placed in that scenario? I sure wouldn't.
You could say Bama had their chance, but so did every other team. It's not that people want to see a rematch, it's just that there is no other real option at this point, unless Auburn beats Alabama.<div>
</div><div>I guess if Oklahoma really beats down Ok. State they have an argument. If Oregon really finishes strong and wins the Pac 12, they have an argument. Perhaps Clemson.</div>
</div><div>I guess if Oklahoma really beats down Ok. State they have an argument. If Oregon really finishes strong and wins the Pac 12, they have an argument. Perhaps Clemson.</div>
how the BCS is setup, it's "supposed" to put the 2 best teams together. Regardless if people want to hear it or not, Oregon has a decent shot of beating LSU too, and if that rematch were to happen and LSU indeed loses too, just because Oregon goes to their conference championship and plays an extra game won't make that loss feel any better. If that's the only reason Bama doesn't "deserve" a shot, then it's a weak reason. It's not Bama and LSU's fault that they're in the same conference and division, so why should Bama be penalized just because they lost by 3 to the number 1 team in the country when they were number 2? Being at home doesn't mean anything when both teams played so tight and almost solidified that they are the best 2 teams in the nation.
If Bama gets to play LSU for the national championship that basically means the regular season game didn't matter. Either team could have won and both would end up playing the real game at the end of the season. Thats messed up.
the rematch is EARNED by going thru the playoff and beating other playoff caliber teams... not by beating a .500 team, a 1AA team, and a very mediocre Auburn team.. and NOT having to play UGA in the SECCG.. you can argue that LSU is being penalized for beating them the first time around.
I would be arguing with everyone who opposed any scenario that took a second shot of a chance at the BCS game away from the Dogs. I can't make myself not root for a BCS game between Alabama (West GA Pachyderms)and LSU (RedStick Institute of Gumbo Studies).
I for one would enjoy watching how it played out the second time, and I still believe they are the two best schools in College Football this year.
ZeroBear's take here: http://zerobearblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/perfect-storm-is-on-its-way.html
I for one would enjoy watching how it played out the second time, and I still believe they are the two best schools in College Football this year.
ZeroBear's take here: http://zerobearblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/perfect-storm-is-on-its-way.html
someone that is very good so who gives a damn if its a rematch. I want the two best teams.
And again, why should Oklahoma be rewarded for losing to TX Tech?
Not having a playoff gives you one advantage...you get to make sure the 2 best teams are in the title game through the voting. aGAIN, that's Bama and LSU. But hey, maybe we can get an equivalent of UConn and Butler.
If it means that game didn't mean what we thouht--who cares. It means every other game that was played was hugely important. Who would have thought OSU/Iowa State would mean something? It meant everything. Greatest sport ever.
And again, why should Oklahoma be rewarded for losing to TX Tech?
Not having a playoff gives you one advantage...you get to make sure the 2 best teams are in the title game through the voting. aGAIN, that's Bama and LSU. But hey, maybe we can get an equivalent of UConn and Butler.
If it means that game didn't mean what we thouht--who cares. It means every other game that was played was hugely important. Who would have thought OSU/Iowa State would mean something? It meant everything. Greatest sport ever.
Granted, they didn't have to play a championship game, but still.<div>
</div><div>I think the BCS rule should be changed to not allow a rematch. But under the current rules, Alabama or Oregon seems destined to get an undeserved rematch. We can only hope for Oklahoma to really put on a show in their next 2 games.</div><div>
</div><div>Really no fair way for LSU</div>
</div><div>I think the BCS rule should be changed to not allow a rematch. But under the current rules, Alabama or Oregon seems destined to get an undeserved rematch. We can only hope for Oklahoma to really put on a show in their next 2 games.</div><div>
</div><div>Really no fair way for LSU</div>
Yes, but it's not like anybody else is earning a spot over Bama. Oregon will play a team with at least 4 losses in their championship game. Oklahoma or Oklahoma State won't even have one. What makes those teams any more deserving than Bama, especially when Oregon got annihilated by the same team that beat Bama? <div>
</div><div>If LSU wants to bring home the trophy, they are going to have to beat the #2 team in the country. Whether that's Oregon or Bama, who gives a ****. They still have to beat that team. If Bama gets the win in the rematch, oh well, that's how the system works.</div>
</div><div>If LSU wants to bring home the trophy, they are going to have to beat the #2 team in the country. Whether that's Oregon or Bama, who gives a ****. They still have to beat that team. If Bama gets the win in the rematch, oh well, that's how the system works.</div>
The regular season IS the playoff in this case.<div>
</div><div>The problem is, no one has done anything else to earn their shot, more than Alabama and/or Oregon. There's simply no one else to choose from.</div>
</div><div>The problem is, no one has done anything else to earn their shot, more than Alabama and/or Oregon. There's simply no one else to choose from.</div>
None of them played a conference championship game. SEC schools played 13 games to get to the title game. Pac 10 and Big 10 only played 12. Your argument is valid, BUT it isnt consistent with the rest of the conferences and what has happened until this year.
Nebraska got in over Oregon in 2001 after not making their championship game.<div>
</div><div>Oklahoma got in in 2003 after losing their championship game.</div><div>
</div><div>To date, those teams that have snuck in like that have been beaten down. Will it happen this year? Hope so. People (including me) are just pissed that it's Alabama who's benefiting. I don't like it, but it's just the way it is. Maybe Auburn will beat them.</div>
</div><div>Oklahoma got in in 2003 after losing their championship game.</div><div>
</div><div>To date, those teams that have snuck in like that have been beaten down. Will it happen this year? Hope so. People (including me) are just pissed that it's Alabama who's benefiting. I don't like it, but it's just the way it is. Maybe Auburn will beat them.</div>
I've been saying that this potential match up may very well be the dagger in the BCS, but I digress... Do you honestly believe that if Oregon happened to beat LSU, the players and staff will be saying to themselves, "Well damn... we beat them already...why the hell did we have to play them again...?" There very well may be some individual players who would think like that, but I'm willing to bet that a majority of them will be down on themselves for losing to a team that they know they could beat instead of saying they shouldn't have played them again to begin with.<div>
</div><div>I'm not saying this to insult you or others who believe this, but that's just a weak mentality to literally believe that you shouldn't have to play a team that you've already beaten again when said team is capable of beating you. If you want to be the best team in history, you have to beat all of the best teams placed in front of you with no questions asked. It's absolutely not fair. I'm not arguing that, but to say that Bama doesn't deserve a shot when they've done all they needed to do given the current system is beyond me.</div>
</div><div>I'm not saying this to insult you or others who believe this, but that's just a weak mentality to literally believe that you shouldn't have to play a team that you've already beaten again when said team is capable of beating you. If you want to be the best team in history, you have to beat all of the best teams placed in front of you with no questions asked. It's absolutely not fair. I'm not arguing that, but to say that Bama doesn't deserve a shot when they've done all they needed to do given the current system is beyond me.</div>
one of the 1-loss conference champs.. sure Oregon played LSU too but at least Oregon would have beaten a (likely) 1-loss Stanford team, a good 9 win USC team (more than likely), Washington (likely will win 8 games), and Ariz. State twice (likely 8 wins). Oklahoma would've beaten FSU (8 or 9 win team), Texas (8 wins likely),Kansas State, Baylor, and Ok State (10 win team).. and don't give me the SEC argument bc the SEC is WAY down this year.
How is Alabama benefitting? They are the second best team in the nation. That's it. Case closed. #1 should play #2 in the national championship. You really think it would be fair for #1 to play #4? Because that's exactly what will happen if LSU plays Oklahoma. I keep saying this but why does LSU DESERVE anything? They've won all their games, but that doesn't mean they should get to play a weaker team in the national championship. The championship should be 1 vs 2. This year that is LSU and Bama. Fairness doesn't come into play because the whole BCS system isn't fair.<div>
</div><div>So my simple question to everyone, do you think Alabama is the number 2 team in the nation?</div>
</div><div>So my simple question to everyone, do you think Alabama is the number 2 team in the nation?</div>
Why is a 1-loss conference champ more deserving than Bama? Bama is in LSU's conference. If Bama is in any other conference they are undefeated right now. Why should Bama be penalized for playing in the best team in the country's conference? If they are number 2 they deserve to play in the championship.<div>
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Well if its between Oregon and Bama then absolutely yes. LSU curbstomped Oregon, and beat Bama by a field goal in OT. Bama should have won the game too. But to your first question, you are right, there is no definitive way to say who is number 2. Thats why I think there should be a playoff.
Sure, the SEC is down this year, but that doesn't take the fact that they also beat a 1 loss Arkansas team that is currently ranked #1 and a currently ranked #21 Penn State that is still in the running to win the B1G. I don't see how anyone can really take away Alabama's merits this year.
IF they win their conference, that is. NO teams that aren't conference champions should play in the national title game, and rematches are retarded.
If there wasany other school in the country thatI thoughtcould even stay within 2 TDs of Bama, I'd say give them a shot. But there'snot.I despise rematches. They're not fair to the team thatwon the first time. But if the championship game is supposed to match upthe 2 best teams, it's not even close which 2 teams those are.8Dog said: