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Just some (long) late night baseball musings while I’m depressed about basketball...

Cannizaro and Cohen handle lineups sooooo differently. Here we are 48 hours out from opening day and we already have the entire starting lineup and rotation announced. That is a far cry from when Cohen put out 54 different lineups in 56 different games and you never had a clue who was going to play where and what the order would look like. Not saying one method is necessarily better than the other but just thought the difference is worth noting.

I love the balance of this lineup- we have four right handed bats, three left handed, and two switch hitters. We can pretty much match up with anyone in terms of handedness and not be significantly weaker against a lefty or righty. If the freshmen step up and we find some pop, the drop off offensively shouldn’t be as bad as I originally thought.

We’ve heard a lot about Hatcher and Allen, and I’m excited about those guys. But don’t sleep on Rowdy Jordan. He is a great athlete who can play multiple positions and is a switch hitter. Gene tracked swing and misses this preseason, and Jordan only had three in all the intrasquad games against some pretty damn good pitchers. He walked three times and only struck out twice. Obviously a small sample size, but good bat control + plate discipline against quality arms is an encouraging sign to me in terms of making an early impact.

Jordan Anderson has done a lot of good things and played pretty much exclusively in center field during preseason. That tells me he’s basically going to back up Mangum and get some mop up duty, defensive substitution, pinch running type of experience this year. Then he’ll go off to the cape this summer and get ready to take over as the starter in center next year. His bat is more advanced than some people thought, and everyone knows he’s a great athlete.

Pitching wise, Pilkington and Small will be good. Billingsley has earned the right to start the season in the rotation too. That being said, I’d love to see Keegan James take over on Sundays at some point once he’s 100%. The stuff is really good and indications are he and Blake Smith have come back strong, which is much needed. The arms could be healthier still and there have been some discipline issues- but overall the staff is light years ahead of where it was 11-12 months ago.
 

Todd4State

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I think Jordan Anderson will play his way into the starting lineup. He was one of our best hitters this spring and has outperformed both Jordan and Allen. The thing is Cann likes Tanner Allen and Rowdy Jordan a lot too- so it will be interesting to watch. If someone struggles Anderson is next up.


I really like Billingsley on Sundays right now. I could see Keegan getting into the rotation if someone struggles or maybe around SEC Tournament time.

Small is going to surprise all of the experts and make us better than they think we are.
 

Philly Dawg

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Cohen is a great coach but he sometimes had a tendency to over manage in my opinion. The way he handled pitchers worked pretty well but many of the other things had much more mixed success.
 

Choctaw Dawg

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Cohen is a great coach but he sometimes had a tendency to over manage in my opinion. The way he handled pitchers worked pretty well but many of the other things had much more mixed success.
See: Rooker taken out in 8th inning against Arizona for Mike Smith in 2016 Super Regional
 

MSUDC11

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See: Rooker taken out in 8th inning against Arizona for Mike Smith in 2016 Super Regional

I still defend him on that one. When you’re up 5-1 with Rigby on the mound, you don’t expect to need more runs. At that point it’s just about getting six outs. Unfortunately we gave up a three run homer and that changed things dramatically.

I don’t disagree that he made really strange decisions, though. Sometimes they worked out (PH’ing with Luis Pollorena in the SEC Tournament in an elimination game, he then proceeded to drive in the game-tying run), other times they didn’t. I felt like he had too quick of a hook with his starters sometimes. Trevor Fitts and Austin Sexton seemed to be the biggest victims of that.
 

notoriousD_O_G

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The one thing I would like to see Can take from Cohen's style is coming out of the dugout more. There were times last year that we got absolutely hosed and Cohen would have been out there in a second. I don't know if it was being a rookie head coach or if it's just not his style but sometimes (in my completely uneducated opinion) you have to let the ump hear about it.
 

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Cohen is a great coach but he sometimes had a tendency to over manage in my opinion. The way he handled pitchers worked pretty well but many of the other things had much more mixed success.
As weird as the decisions seemed, Cohen always had some statistic or reason to back him up. Me personally, I think a lot of statistics are stupid, so I thought a lot of the decisions were stupid, but still in the end, I give him credit for at least having some evidence on his side.

But yes, he over-managed, mainly because he was trying so hard. I'm glad we have the situation we have now. Cohen recreated the situation we had in the 90s, where MSU can actually be a RECRUITING school, ie we can compete for the best players. It wasn't that way when Cohen was hired in 2008. He was the best man for the job in 2008, but Cannizaro is the best man for the job now. Cohen realizes this too. He'll be the best AD we could ever hope for.
 
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engie

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Cohen is a great coach but he sometimes had a tendency to over manage in my opinion. The way he handled pitchers worked pretty well but many of the other things had much more mixed success.

You don't have to be cute when you can out-talent people how Cannizaro can with both what he inherited and what he's recruiting. They didn't walk into the same or even remotely similar situations.

Also, if you'll look and remember back, Cohen basically quit tinkering and settled in every time we had an elite team. The "tinkering" was really him trying to overcome shortcomings that were obvious to him and became obvious to many of us. People were just blaming the tinkering on those shortcomings, when it was an effect rather than a cause.
 

wsjmsu75

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C Gilbert
1B Hatcher
2B Stovall
3B Allen
SS Alexander
LF Jordan
CF Mangum
RF McNamee
DH Vansau

For Opening Day, at least.

Surely this is not the actual batting order with Mangum/McNamee/Vansau being 7/8/9 in the order?
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Surely this is not the actual batting order with Mangum/McNamee/Vansau being 7/8/9 in the order?
Umm. Have you ever taken score of a baseball game? If not, I recommend it. Once you have, you will not ask these kind of questions.
 

wsjmsu75

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Umm. Have you ever taken score of a baseball game? If not, I recommend it. Once you have, you will not ask these kind of questions.

Yes I am fully aware that each fielding position is associated with a number 1 thru 9. Just did not occur to me that the lineup as presented was in that order. My bad. I will try not to ask any more stupid questions. ***
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Yes I am fully aware that each fielding position is associated with a number 1 thru 9. Just did not occur to me that the lineup as presented was in that order. My bad. I will try not to ask any more stupid questions. ***

Sorry. That came out a bit snarky. I am guilty of ignorance in basketball... Still don't understand a stretch 4.. looks like you just weren't paying attention.
 
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