Basketball vs. Football expectations

[jqh2msu2]

As I read all the anti-Stansbury threads, I had this thought and am curious what the thoughts are on this board. It seems to me if you translated Stansbury's success in bball somewhat to football, we'd say 2 out of 3 years he has us making the equivalent to lower tier SEC bowls (Liberty, Independence, and Papa John's Bowls). I realize Stans has won SEC championships, but I wouldn't put those on caliber with New Years Bowls or Fball SEC Championships. I'll equate the sweet 16 and higher with a New Years bowl (which everyone here is quick to point out he hasn't made). My question is would you be satisfied if Mullen can get MSU to Liberty, Independance, and Papa John's bowls 2 out of 3 years. Of course we all want Atlanta and BCS bowls, but if in 10 years Mullen has been here and only delivered us to these 3 bowls, but done so consistently will you be calling for his head? I'd think you'd be a fool to do so and I think you are fool to do so with Stansbury. I'm not pleased with this year so far, but overall, Stansbury has done enough for me. I'm not expecting a huge run every year. I'm just happy to make the tournament and make noise in the SEC, but I guess that's the root of my disagreement with the rest of the pack.

 

[FlabLoser]

I expect more than Stans is giving us. He makes us a consistantly above average SEC team (above average for the SEC, not the nation). That's it. I expect a deep NCAA run now and then much like in football I expect Mullen to get us a "good" bowl game (Cotton, Capital One) now and then with chances for more (Sugar).

I'll say this much - I am far more confident in the future of our football team than I am about our basketball team.

 

[OEMDawg]

Wrong, Stans has won A championship. And he followed that up with a 2nd round and done at the hands of Xavier. The SEC tourney is all well and good for hanging a banner but other than getting us in the tourney last year, it hasn't meant anything.

Ricky had his chance in 02-04 when we had a 3 seed, 5 seed, and 2 seed, yet he failed to make it out of the 2nd round with any of those teams. Since then we've had 2 9's and an 8 seed. During that same time period, EVERY team in the SEC but MSU, Georgia, South Carolina, Ole Miss and Arkansas have advanced to at least the Sweet 16.

 

[Coach34]

SEC basketball top to bottom is equivalent to the Big Ten in football- therefore easier to have success in conference...much like the Big Ten rarely beats a top team out of conference, outside of Fla's awesome team, the SEC rarely does the same thing.

I'l say this again- you can beat 11 absolute nobodys in basketball OOC and win 7-8 conference games in the SEC and that makes 18-19 wins...but that doesnt make you worth a **** as a basketball team on a national level

Stansbury wins games in the SEC and beats absolute nobodys OOC...but how many good teams has he beaten over the years? Did he beat Fla any of the years they were in the Final Four? Did he beat LSU the year they made the Final Four?

Hell, Brandon Vincent, Lawrence Roberts, and Shane Power from his best basketball teams spent half their careers coached by somebody else before him. And they were good before he got them

At some point something has got to change

 

[Stormrider81]

Did they spend half of their careers being coached by someone else?

Here's the other side to your weak conference analysis. Why is the conference so weak? Well, the coaches are weak. Whereas in football we have an incredible list of coaches, in basketball we have a terrible list of coaches. Now, let that sink in. Auburn, Georgia, Bama, etc have hired terrible coaches recently who haven't done even what Stansbury has done. Yet we are supposed to up and fire Stansbury and hire not only a better coach than him, but also a better one than those programs hired? Yep, that makes sense.

 

[maroonmania]

to having success in football in the SEC and in basketball in the SEC. In fact, of the 3 sports that most MSU fans care about, basketball lags quite a bit in league strength behind football AND baseball. Stans has an easier path to have in-conference success than does either Mullen OR Cohen.

 

[squirldawg]

lower tier player in the SEC. Every other school besides one, has the revenue to be better than us, yet we are the 3rd best team in our conference during the Stansbury era. Simply put, we have overachieved in the Stansbury era. I still look for us to make the sweet sixteen this year, once we get it together. The SEC is going to be much stronger overall this year in the RPI and I expect Stansbury as usual to compete at a high level within the conference, despite the fact that we have the 11th best athletic budget in our conference. Byrne is not going to pull the trigger on Stansbury until we are not selling out our season ticket allotments. The fans will have to speak with their wallets, because he is not going to pull the plug on our second highest revenue generating sport.

 

[Thick]

in football, but not basketball or baseball. You and Stormrider are in love with what RS has done from a conference standpoint (conference sucks bball), but why does RS coached teams do poorly in the tourney and against teams with lesser athletes? He is not a good floor coach, not even average. C34 is right, he doesn't make adjustments during the game, example: last night #44 Butler was having his way with Ravern offensively (Ravern shot well) and never switched defensively to someone like Phil. Just kept doing it the entire game and Butler was the difference maker last night. Why in 12 years and countless discussions with other coaches from around the country, has RS coached teams struggled against 2-3 zones? In 12 years, he has gotten State to conference contender, but nothing from a national standpoint and it has nothing to do with our athletic budget., He is about to have one of the largest practice facilities in the conference, is that going to help him coach/manage a game and his players better, is that going to overcome the dreaded 2-3 zone? Hell no, it's just a building, it can't coach, it can't hustle, play d, or make shots, it's just a recruiting tool.

 

[maroonmania]

in the SEC but I guarantee we have a lot bigger budget than Rider and Richmond. As was stated, budgets when it comes to basketball isn't anything like the factor it is in football.

 

[Thick]

that really had a high basketball iq. Those are kids that you build ateam around with sound coaching. I have been told by a former assistant to RS that he does not take gametime suggestions from his assistants well at all. He likes to call the shots at all times. The sad thing, is that he will leave on his on unless he really screws up big time. He has the money guys in his pocket, and it's no secret to anyone who is knowledgeable about the program. He went and pretty much raised the practice facility money damn near by himself, but he made some pretty high expectations/promises for the program if they built it.

You can build all the practice facilities, maybe even a knew coliseum, expand DWS, and upgrade Dudy, but if your coach and his staff are not coaching then you are just going to have nice facilities that are half full. There is no one person that is bigger than the program, everyone is accountable, and RS has wasted some pretty good talent because of his insufficient coaching, maybe he can right the ship but it's not looking good right now.

 

[patdog]

SEC basketball top to bottom is equivalent to the Big Ten in football

And if we could ever be a power in Big 10 football, our coach would be coach of the year more than half the time.