We all know he can recruit, but he is a horrible floor coach and has fallen in love with the 3 ball the last few years. Stans teams used to have strong defensive fundamentals, but that has not been the case lately. Why hasn't he ditched his motionless offense for an actual system that works?
Basketballdude what are your thoughts on our coach.
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We all know he can recruit, but he is a horrible floor coach and has fallen in love with the 3 ball the last few years. Stans teams used to have strong defensive fundamentals, but that has not been the case lately. Why hasn't he ditched his motionless offense for an actual system that works?
We all know he can recruit, but he is a horrible floor coach and has fallen in love with the 3 ball the last few years. Stans teams used to have strong defensive fundamentals, but that has not been the case lately. Why hasn't he ditched his motionless offense for an actual system that works?
I think he is the right man for the job. He is the alltime most winningest coach our school has had. He owns the state in recruiting.
The past few years I believe he took some good players that didn't necessarilly fit his style - the biggest that jumps out is obviously Ravern Johnson. Thank god he is now gone. I think it has more to do with personel the past few years than it has to do with his style. He sort of coached to the talent he had - ex: Phil Turner starting at the 4 for that stretch two years ago. It's not something he wanted to do, but something he felt he had to do due to the makeup of our team.
Next year's team is the team he thrives at winning with. LENGTH, rebounding, defense. Your starting frontcourt will be a legit 6-8, 6-10, 6-11. Length is very important when it comes to defense on the division1 level. Not only will Hood be a much better defender and rebounder than Ray was, he will also be much better at handling the ball and being smart. Also, Moultrie will add height that Kodi didn't have, and add a shot blocking prescence to go along with his rebounding. You will see more toughness out of this year's team due to the personel. It's all about the players, really. It's hard to coach defense and rebounding when you are starting 4 guards and running and gunning.
I think it sort of got away from him, but now he has the team he has been looking for, and the defense and toughness will be much improved this year.
That being said, it's time to win and win big. He knows that. Expect a sweet 16 birth.
The past few years I believe he took some good players that didn't necessarilly fit his style - the biggest that jumps out is obviously Ravern Johnson. Thank god he is now gone. I think it has more to do with personel the past few years than it has to do with his style. He sort of coached to the talent he had - ex: Phil Turner starting at the 4 for that stretch two years ago. It's not something he wanted to do, but something he felt he had to do due to the makeup of our team.
Next year's team is the team he thrives at winning with. LENGTH, rebounding, defense. Your starting frontcourt will be a legit 6-8, 6-10, 6-11. Length is very important when it comes to defense on the division1 level. Not only will Hood be a much better defender and rebounder than Ray was, he will also be much better at handling the ball and being smart. Also, Moultrie will add height that Kodi didn't have, and add a shot blocking prescence to go along with his rebounding. You will see more toughness out of this year's team due to the personel. It's all about the players, really. It's hard to coach defense and rebounding when you are starting 4 guards and running and gunning.
I think it sort of got away from him, but now he has the team he has been looking for, and the defense and toughness will be much improved this year.
That being said, it's time to win and win big. He knows that. Expect a sweet 16 birth.
At all! I hope he's in tip top shape but I don't see his defense improving as much as his offense. Dee can get after it on D, Moultrie was known for his D at New Mexico, Jalen was OK, Rodney will definitely be an improvement over Ravern simply because Ravern didn't play defense. I hope you are right that we will defend and rebound like Stans teams of old. If we do, with the offensive players we have, we should be very good.
pool the last few years! He didn't inherit any of those players from another coaching regime....HE SIGNED THEM!! Really, length is important in D1 ball...it's important in basketball period, Caligula. One more thing don't bring that "winningest coach" crap over here and try to sell it, because there's a **** load of cupcakes and just bad teams in that pile of w's. If he doesn't get us to the dance this year, he should be gone. Nothing you have said on this board is news on this board...even Reik leaving. That was predicted a while back, and the Euro kid has been floating for a while now. Report something really good that is exclusive, but no more praise to Stans until he does something on the court.
after reading a second time, I take that back. I agree with this post completely. "Winningest" coach my ***. This guy (basketballdude) is some kind of Stansplant. Needs to be watched carefully. He's not a newb either. Probably Coastgeezer's great great nephew.
you can sell that **** here 6 days a week and all day Sunday. Why? BECAUSE IT'S THE 17ING TRUTH.
Every damn team in the league has a schedule littered with cupcake teams.
length is important in basketball- who knew that a good wingspan would help in defending, rebounding, and shooting over people?
It wont be hard for this team to have more defense and toughness, because last season it was virtually non-existent. Hopefully Sid will play at least a little D this season. Bost's improvement last season was very apparent though and a pleasure to watch.
Sweet 16 you say? Righttttttttttttt- The Recruiter couldnt make a Sweet 16 with Kobe and LeBron at guard
It wont be hard for this team to have more defense and toughness, because last season it was virtually non-existent. Hopefully Sid will play at least a little D this season. Bost's improvement last season was very apparent though and a pleasure to watch.
Sweet 16 you say? Righttttttttttttt- The Recruiter couldnt make a Sweet 16 with Kobe and LeBron at guard
...over the past eight years when checking realtimerpi.com.1
Season - Overall SOS Rank - Placement in SEC
2010-11 - 90 - 8th
2009-10 - 74 - 11th
2008-09 - 53 - 3rd
2007-08 - 51 - 7th
2006-07 - 27 - 7th
2005-06 - 53 - 8th
2004-05 - 67 - 9th
2003-04 - 52 - 11th
MSU has had a lower third SOSin three out of the past eight seasons & a lower half SOS for seven out of the past eight seasons.2 MSU had an RPI SOS rank below 50 in seven of the eight past seasons.
Addendum: Edited to correct hyperlinks and cited web site.
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1The earliest data found on the site is from the 2003-04 season. So the past eight seasons is not just a random selection.
2I personally though would excuse the 2006-07 season SOS rank because MSU's SOS rank was 27th in the nation in addition to being 7th in the SEC.
Season - Overall SOS Rank - Placement in SEC
2010-11 - 90 - 8th
2009-10 - 74 - 11th
2008-09 - 53 - 3rd
2007-08 - 51 - 7th
2006-07 - 27 - 7th
2005-06 - 53 - 8th
2004-05 - 67 - 9th
2003-04 - 52 - 11th
MSU has had a lower third SOSin three out of the past eight seasons & a lower half SOS for seven out of the past eight seasons.2 MSU had an RPI SOS rank below 50 in seven of the eight past seasons.
Addendum: Edited to correct hyperlinks and cited web site.
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1The earliest data found on the site is from the 2003-04 season. So the past eight seasons is not just a random selection.
2I personally though would excuse the 2006-07 season SOS rank because MSU's SOS rank was 27th in the nation in addition to being 7th in the SEC.
This is where you messed up. He doesn't have a style. His style depends on his players so much because his players determine his style. His players determine his style because he doesn't have one. We are the most motionless motion team ever. It's pathetic. He may be the right man for the job if he can keep up recruiting and actually keeps the players, but don't act like we have the perfect players for his style or his system. There is no style or system. It's truly gut-wrenching to watch how clueless our players are fundamentally.Basketballdude said:
There's nothing to sell. Facts are facts and he is the alltime most winningest coach in MSU basketball history. Ignorant people turn their head on facts.Thick said:
This needs to be saved so when we do make the Sweet 16, Coach can't say "well how could you not make the Sweet 16 with Dee, Sid, Moultrie, etc?"Coach34 said:
<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Stans is a good recruiter
and evaluator of talent, but he is a horrible floor coach. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>He can not win the big game outside of the
SEC.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Stans problem with the Sweet 16 is
that he can not scout two teams on two days notice and make a game-plan because
he can not institute a half court offense. This year he won't have to worry as much because we will have 3 NBA draft picks on the team. The RSS and Moultrie are 1st rounders and Dee is a 2nd round pick.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Stans
has horrible substitution patterns, why sub 4 or 5 at a time line a hockey
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are not Duke or UNC, our talent level drops off substantially when we get to
the 8th or 9th player in the rotation.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> Why??
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always let the other team dictate the tempo of the game. Why?<span style="">
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Big problem is that Stans found this 4 guard gimmick and decided to live and
die by the 3 pointer. He has never instituted a real half court offense. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>The “Motion” offense is just an excuse for
Stans to cover up his lack of having a half court offense.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If we don't score in offensive transition we
look just like a church-league team standing around and jacking three's. Why does our offense not have any motion in it? Why does our coach let the player stand around the perimeter and shoot an ill-advised 3 ball as the shot clock winds down time after time? Why?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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and evaluator of talent, but he is a horrible floor coach. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>He can not win the big game outside of the
SEC.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Stans problem with the Sweet 16 is
that he can not scout two teams on two days notice and make a game-plan because
he can not institute a half court offense. This year he won't have to worry as much because we will have 3 NBA draft picks on the team. The RSS and Moultrie are 1st rounders and Dee is a 2nd round pick.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Stans
has horrible substitution patterns, why sub 4 or 5 at a time line a hockey
line? We
are not Duke or UNC, our talent level drops off substantially when we get to
the 8th or 9th player in the rotation.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> Why??
</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">We
always let the other team dictate the tempo of the game. Why?<span style="">
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">My
Big problem is that Stans found this 4 guard gimmick and decided to live and
die by the 3 pointer. He has never instituted a real half court offense. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>The “Motion” offense is just an excuse for
Stans to cover up his lack of having a half court offense.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If we don't score in offensive transition we
look just like a church-league team standing around and jacking three's. Why does our offense not have any motion in it? Why does our coach let the player stand around the perimeter and shoot an ill-advised 3 ball as the shot clock winds down time after time? Why?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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and it's do or die this year probably for Stans but to ignore what he has accomplished at State is ignorant.
Because it directly points to lack of discipline and confidence. There is no other way around it. Bobby Knight or Mike Krzyzewski have (had) no trouble winning with the motion offense, and even then, most styles of offenses in basketball work if you have a coach that knows how to coach players, not just to know their assignments, but really understand the offense and how it works. I have no problem with the motion offense because when it works, it works well. We don't have a coach that can make it work well. There are too many fundamental issues we have to work out, first. <div>fishwater99 said:
</div><div>This is also the problem with the stall at the end of the game. When we stall, we just stop dead with 5 or 6 minutes to go (and in some cases, only being up 8 or 10), which kills any confidence and control we had. Then we start giving up runs by the other team, then all of a sudden, we are trying to play out of a rut we got ourselves in. Teams stall all the time, but they "stall with purpose." They dictate their own tempo and practice that tempo often. We don't, and it shows. Why play this way?</div><div>
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That is more than I can say for some of the clones on here. Ask Calipari if Stans can coach. He will tell you he has played his pro teams as tough as anybody. Good coaches have to play the hands they are dealt, even a Junior High coach ought to know that. Funny how you folks want to make Sidney who really was a Freshman and had never been pushed,into a Varnado defensively. Give the kid a break, he has had a year to mature and understand this isn't AAU ball or high school. I guess it is nice to see someone who is not filled with so much hatred and the inability to ever admit they might be wrong, post here. If Stans had had his way he would have never changed the style that brought him success but when you are undersized and have three point shooters, you play that way. For all the doom and gloom you fools always spit out, it is amazing that Stans continues to recruit well, in fact, better than anybody we have ever had, so these players must like his style and I still find it hard to believe some of you would prefer he and our team fail so you can come on here and act like experts. I have seen Tyler, Mullen, and all the others who have been here since the late 60's and we have the best we have ever had on campus in Stansbury and if you don't believe me, just ask some of our opposing coaches and they will concur. Of course, there were folks who crucified Jesus Christ so why should we expect any difference from some of the baffoons on here.
There is NO DOUBT we have Sweet 16 talent- if we get the European we will have Final Four talent. Without the European, no way The Recruiter gets us to the Sweet 16- he cant do it. With the European, there is no way in hell even he could 17 it up. That would be easily better than the 96 team and should have a chance to win a title.jeremyrbrown said:
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So this European. Is his name Dontaeis Joneasitis? Andhas heworked at a Kenny Rogers Roasters in Riga or Vilnius?
Why does he clap like that?
Why does it take him 4 years to have players like Rhodes and Augustus respect him?
What is it like when he is trying to explain the play he drew up, but he can't speak?
Why has he never beat a division 1 team outside of the SEC?
Why doesn't he just let his assistants do the coaching?
Do all of those kids on the bench distract the players?
Why does he wear those awful shirts when he goes out west?
Why does it take him 4 years to have players like Rhodes and Augustus respect him?
What is it like when he is trying to explain the play he drew up, but he can't speak?
Why has he never beat a division 1 team outside of the SEC?
Why doesn't he just let his assistants do the coaching?
Do all of those kids on the bench distract the players?
Why does he wear those awful shirts when he goes out west?
The fact that we play them well, but lose to teams like Ryder tell me coaching is exactly the problem. Good coaches have their teams ready to play whoever it is, and when a team isn't at its best against a lower level team a coach should be able to actually coach them through it.
Get dawgstudent to check the IP's etc. You just can't stand the fact that some folks think rationally and aren't obsessed over Stans as you are. By the way, he is on a 12 day recruiting trip working his *** off for MSU while you sit on your computer and play with yourself. Some things never change.
Just another delusional poster on here. I guess anytime Coach K or Bobby Knight lost a game to an inferior team it was all coaching. I guess Coach Cal couldn't coach either when the Bears beat him in Oxford because we all know Kennedy can't beat Stans and thus, he is a sorry coach. Some of you are amazing.
Stansbury does not run the motion offense. There you go everybody. Remember that, please. He doesn't run anything. He might think he is, but he's not.
The problem is these upsets are EVERY YEAR OCCURANCES and have been the sole reason we have been left out of the NCAAT.
2011- East Tennessee State (at home), Florida Atlantic (at home), Hawaii, Auburn, LSU (at home)
2010- Ryder (at home), could make an argument for Auburn
2009- Charlotte, San Diego (both at home)
2008- South Alabama
2007- Winthrop (at home), Georgia, could argue South Carolina (at home)
And since at home or on the road affects roughly a plus or minus40% difference in a game's weight when calculating RPI, I added that, too.
And the list goes on.
For those coaches, it isn't an annual thing they lose to a team they really should beat, particularly at home. Upsets are a part of sports, it's why you play the game, but this is an annual trend that, in 2010, left us out of the NCAAT and SHOULD have in 2009. Coaching is a big reason for these upsets because our players come out and half-*** it the whole game, then get pissed. Don't wanna lose these game? Show up and play your damned hardest THE WHOLE GAME. I assure you those elite coaches don't letthese kind of upsetshappen often, especially at their own gym's. So before you start claiming I'm delusional, look objectively at what I said.
2011- East Tennessee State (at home), Florida Atlantic (at home), Hawaii, Auburn, LSU (at home)
2010- Ryder (at home), could make an argument for Auburn
2009- Charlotte, San Diego (both at home)
2008- South Alabama
2007- Winthrop (at home), Georgia, could argue South Carolina (at home)
And since at home or on the road affects roughly a plus or minus40% difference in a game's weight when calculating RPI, I added that, too.
And the list goes on.
For those coaches, it isn't an annual thing they lose to a team they really should beat, particularly at home. Upsets are a part of sports, it's why you play the game, but this is an annual trend that, in 2010, left us out of the NCAAT and SHOULD have in 2009. Coaching is a big reason for these upsets because our players come out and half-*** it the whole game, then get pissed. Don't wanna lose these game? Show up and play your damned hardest THE WHOLE GAME. I assure you those elite coaches don't letthese kind of upsetshappen often, especially at their own gym's. So before you start claiming I'm delusional, look objectively at what I said.