Batman vs Superman

[UK_Is_Good]

I saw it for a second time. I give it a B. It has its flaws, but the good outweighs the bad for me. If it was me, I would've cut the following:

Spoiler

-Cut Scoot McNairy's scene where he defaced the statue. The news footage of it gets the point across. Really the McNairy/Holly Hunter subplot could've been written a little tighter

-Get rid of the dream sequence of Bruce seeing the blood at his parents' grave. Unnecessary

-Get rid of the Kevin Costner scene

-Get rid of the scene of Martha Kent being kidnapped so that it's a surprise

Just cutting those alone I think tightens and improves the film.

 

[-BBH-]

Lots to process and it's not perfect by any means, but I really enjoyed it. Ben Affleck was spot on as an aging Bruce Wayne. A few issues with the first half of the film but I thought the payoff was worth it.

Probably will see it again.

 

[UKwizard]

 

[Lionel_Hutz]

DC is trying to compete (catch up?) with Marvel at the box office and it's not going well. Shocking

 

[UK_Is_Good]

DC is trying to compete (catch up?) with Marvel at the box office and it's not going well. Shocking

What are you projecting for its box office? The first weekend will be huge (probably between 5-10 all time). The second weekend drop will be important. The Avengers movies kept their drop in the 50s. The last Harry Potter film had a drop of 72%.

 

[MoreheadEagle]

I saw the movie last night and, while it's not great, it was good enough. My only two big complaints is that it might be too long (or at least takes too long to get going) and I didn't like Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Most of the reviews I've read run the gamit of "too many Oscar winners in it" to "too much action" "not enough action" or boil down to it not being a Marvel movie.

Personal opinion: Marvel hasn't made a good movie post Avengers other than Guardians of the Galaxy and maybe Winter Soldier. Age of Ultron was an utter dog turd.

DC has said they're going with a more dark and serious tone, and I'm totally okay with that. Even their animated movies are darker. One thing I think they need to do is get a good producer in place for Justice League. Zach Snyder can make a very good looking movie but he needs someone to coach him a little bit on keeping the thing flowing.

Overall, I'd give BvS a solid "B". Not great but I came out of the theater excited for Justice League and Wonder Woman.

 

[-BBH-]

Pretty much my take exactly. Definitely would of cleaned up the script some and streamlined some of the side story lines, but I came away entertained and excited for the DC lineup.

 

[UKwizard]

On the eve of its theatrical release, the general consensus for Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice paints Zack Snyder’s titanic showdown as a bloated and convoluted mess, shackled with a tone that is unflinchingly dark. And though Dawn of Justice does in many ways lay the groundwork for Warner’s DC Extended Universe, producer Deborah Snyder has hinted that the two-part Justice League event film will be much lighter in tone.

Sorry to all you fans of the dark and gritty everything.

 

[MoreheadEagle]

On the eve of its theatrical release, the general consensus for Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice paints Zack Snyder’s titanic showdown as a bloated and convoluted mess, shackled with a tone that is unflinchingly dark. And though Dawn of Justice does in many ways lay the groundwork for Warner’s DC Extended Universe, producer Deborah Snyder has hinted that the two-part Justice League event film will be much lighter in tone.

Sorry to all you fans of the dark and gritty everything.

Nothing wrong with being lighter, just make the stakes big enough to warrant all of the Justice League coming together.

 

[KyCatFan_rivals45723]

Just got back from seeing it. Definitely to long and drawn out, but I liked it. It is basically 3 parts, the backstory, buildup, and climax. The backstory was fine to let you understand why the movie is taking place. The middle though was way to slow. I found myself getting bored waiting to get to the action at the end. The ending was very good and had me wishing they put more action in the middle of the movie.

Overall a solid movie, but by no means sways me from my preferred Marvel movies. I am not really looking forward to a Wonder Woman or Aquaman movie. Cyborg sounds interesting though. I likely will see the Justice League movies.

There isn't anything after the credits so don't waste your time staying. Also there are a few references to Kentucky in the movie. I don't know if there is some kind of tie in to the people who wrote/directed/produced the movie and the state of Kentucky.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

 

[-LEK-]

2 stars. Decent in points. Afflec was pretty terrible. Is what it is.

 

[-BBH-]

2 stars. Decent in points. Afflec was pretty terrible. Is what it is.

Thought Affleck was spot on.

 

[-LEK-]

Thought Affleck was spot on.

Yea, there were things I liked. He's just sooooo dumb, and comes across as such.

 

[kybobcat_rivals185207]

Saw it today, in 3D IMAX.

Thought it was very enjoyable, especially for long time fans of comics. They took themes and plots from stories as far back as 30 years ago. Don't understand what all the butthurt is about.

It's not "Citizen Kane", but it's not "Gigli" either. A solid popcorn flick.

 

[-LEK-]

Saw it today, in 3D IMAX.

Thought it was very enjoyable, especially for long time fans of comics. They took themes and plots from stories as far back as 30 years ago. Don't understand what all the butthurt is about.

It's not "Citizen Kane", but it's not "Gigli" either. A solid popcorn flick.

Yea, I think it was as good as any rocky sequel. I will watch it again.

 

[WalkersGoggles_rivals310859]

I liked it. I thought Affleck was really good. I thought the end was going to be different. I love long movies so it could have been another hour longer and I would have still been digging it. Much better than critics scores. I guess they are burnt out on the genre or wanted more humor and light tone like Tony Stark...??

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

I enjoyed it but it could have been much better. Dc movies have the misfortune of always being compared to the Nolan batmans

 

[mjisanerd]

Thought Affleck was the best batman ive seen.And i came in thinking he would suck.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Just got back from seeing it. Affleck is pitch perfect as Bruce Wayne. Batman costume a little too bulky and a little too much like Iron Man's hulkbuster armor for my taste. Plot was good and surprisingly I liked the Wonder Woman character.

That said there is just too much lacking in the fight sequences. I think at some point half the characters in the movie die and come back to life at one point or another. Batman/Superman fight is contrived and falls flat. Epic fight at the end is stupid and Batman basically just hides.

I think it is a great starting point to launch Affleck as Batman but they need to have their act together in the next one.

 

[firearms]

It wasn't good. And here's why. Remember when the bad guys just wanted to rob a bank, or - at worst, rule the world? Well, the bad guy in this movie has no self serving motive.

And this was because whoever wrote this movie just took a huge pile of atheist propaganda and tried to shove a movie into it. They even drug Neil degrasse Tyson in to deliver his tired old atheist spiel. (Which is shocking considering the COBE, WMAP and PLANK satellite findings, but that's another story) anyway....they weren't worried about that, they had a point to make and if something like a movie plot was in the way, so what?

So..how do you make a bad guy, look bad when you're actually trying to validate his position?

This movie is full scenes that try and make the good guys look bad such as Bruce Wayne speaking to Alfred and saying something like, "We are just criminals and always have been." and showing Superman portrayed as having sex with an unmarried Lois Lane (no nudity) and as causing huge amounts of collateral damage potentially even to little children.

If you're a fan of Superman, Batman or the truth and justice they supposedly stand for... you shouldn't just not like this movie, you should be genuinely offended by it.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Well, it proved pretty critic proof at least for the opening weekend.

It's estimated at $170M domestic, which is 6th all time (behind both Avengers and Iron Man 3).

It did extremely well overseas ($254M which is 5th all time and 1st among superhero films) for a world wide total of $424M (4th overall/1st superhero).

It'll probably have a bigger than normal second weekend drop. One advantage it has though is a lack of competition over the next few weeks.

 

[wildcat1973_rivals160373]

I found it far superior to The Avengers movies, which I found extremely boring and overly complicated. It wasn't great but my kids loved it, I ate a big bag of popcorn, and I never got bored. Thumbs-up!

 

[Saguaro Cat]

It wasn't as bad some say, but it was still very bad. I've heard the main complaint is it's boring. But I think the stupidity is being overlooked. Letters set off Batman. Martha fixes everything. Superman is set up in Africa to create outrage in America so they can make an explosion. Doomsday. Everything about doomsday. Everything about lex Luthor. No one will go get the weapon we all know is going to save the day.

Production was bad too. The music was oppressive. And I've never seen a movie with so many boring explosions. Like in independence day, I liked watching the white house blow up. This movie, fireball shows up and building is gone. Zzz zzz.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

This movie is like you have this incredible boner and all these hot ladies are around, but then it's 2am and you wind up drunk and porking a 300 pounder just to relieve yourself. Not great, not desirable, but you did unload so just put it behind you and do better next time and pray none of your buddies filmed you and put it on youtube.

 

[kybobcat_rivals185207]

Spoiler: The deal about Lex

He was being controlled by Darkseid.

 

[-LEK-]

This movie is like you have this incredible boner and all these hot ladies are around, but then it's 2am and you wind up drunk and porking a 300 pounder just to relieve yourself. Not great, not desirable, but you did unload so just put it behind you and do better next time and pray none of your buddies filmed you and put it on youtube.

Sums it up well

 

[UKwizard]

I don't take too much stake in Box Office numbers. I mean these are the same movie goers who keep Michael Bay rich and making ****** movies that take dumps on people's childhoods.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

I don't take too much stake in Box Office numbers. I mean these are the same movie goers who keep Michael Bay rich and making ****** movies that take dumps on people's childhoods.

I thought it was interesting that of the top 13 opening weekends of all time domestically, BvS is the only one with a rotten RT score. You have to go all the way down to 29 before you find a Michael Bay film (who is awful).

 

[ukfan606]

I have been on record here thinking this would be an awful movie. My son really wanted to see it so I finally went and with very low expectations. Though it was way to long it was not an awful movie and to even my surprise Affleck was a decent batman. I would give it a grade of B could have been an A if some of those scenes that have been mentioned were cut and dropped the run time down to about 2 hours.

 

[ky8335]

I enjoyed it but did think it was too long. Main complaints: All of the dream sequences should be cut. I didn't like Lex and didn't think his storyline was done well. And since it was a huge part of the movie it really pulled a lot down.

Affleck did well, and seems well suited for then jaded angry Batman that doesn't mind killing criminals.

 

[jkmann1]

The point in the movie where we shifted from Batman v Superman to 'Let's Heavy Handedly Set Up Our Movie to Compete With the Avengers' was where I thought the whole film lost horsepower. Thought Affleck was great, honestly, as was Jeremy Irons.

I really enjoyed how they addressed the turd that was Man of Steel. The explanation of what happened in the beginning of the movie is better than the actual film. It's interesting to me that once the excessiveness of blockbuster culture crept into Man of Steel, Snyder seemed to forget the entire thesis of Superman. I know Snyder understands it because he nailed it in the first trailer -- I would argue this is the best superhero movie trailer ever made:

 

[Tinker Dan]

Jeremy Irons is now my favorite Alfred.

As someone else basically said.... it is not citizen kane, but I did enjoy it.

As my daughter always says to me in an exasperated tone..... It's a movie dad...

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Jeremy Irons is now my favorite Alfred.

I think he may be too. Although there's never really been a bad Alfred. I think I'd rank them

Irons
Caine
Zimbalist
Gough
Napier
Pertwee

Too early to rank Ralph Fiennes, but he'll be good.

 

[UKwizard]

The point in the movie where we shifted from Batman v Superman to 'Let's Heavy Handedly Set Up Our Movie to Compete With the Avengers' was where I thought the whole film lost horsepower. Thought Affleck was great, honestly, as was Jeremy Irons.

I really enjoyed how they addressed the turd that was Man of Steel. The explanation of what happened in the beginning of the movie is better than the actual film. It's interesting to me that once the excessiveness of blockbuster culture crept into Man of Steel, Snyder seemed to forget the entire thesis of Superman. I know Snyder understands it because he nailed it in the first trailer -- I would argue this is the best superhero movie trailer ever made:

More of what was in that teaser trailer less of what we got. Please.

 

[Perrin75]

Just echoing many other thoughts on here. Script was all over the place and needed to be tightened up. Everything they did to introduce the Justice League just seemed contrived and it slowed the film down. I actually liked the introduction of Wonder Woman and thought the actress did a great job, but the movie is called Batman V Superman. Those two characters have enough going on to carry a movie. And basically anything dealing with Lex Luthor was horrible and threw the movie off. The villain is such an important part of these types of films, and this take on Luthor was just wrong. Especially considering that they wanted to go with a darker tone.

Having said all that, it was actually a little better than I expected. I would probably give it a C+ and I'm certainly still on board for the next DC film.

 

[Tinker Dan]

I think he may be too. Although there's never really been a bad Alfred. I think I'd rank them

Irons
Caine
Zimbalist
Gough
Napier
Pertwee

Too early to rank Ralph Fiennes, but he'll be good.

I loved Caine, he was my favorite. It is probably 1 and 1A.

I liked the mentor in Caine, but I really like what I perceived as "crusty" and what appeared to be technical acumen in Irons.

I think I personally identified with Irons more.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

For fun, I'd rank the Batmans as follows:

Conroy
Bale
Affleck
Keaton
West
Arnett
Weller
Kilmer
McKenzie
Clooney

 

[firearms]

I guess it speaks to the times more than anything else.

There was a time when people would have been offended by a Batman who spent an entire film shooting, stealing, stabbing and branding people. Heck, at one point, he straight up murders about a dozen security guards during a botched armed robbery. But I guess it's OK because they don't show the people he murders bleeding or anything like that. The bodies just seem to disappear.

And peoples main criticism of the of the film is," Well - it ran a little long but..my kids seem to enjoy it."

I wonder which was the more enjoyable part, the torture, the theft, the murders or the left wing lectures we receive during the movie?

 

[mjisanerd]

^ you act like Batman being this rough and tough killer is new.You can go back to the 80s and find The Dark Knight Returns and "that is who they based this movie on".Read it, its good but its a time when the world is on the cusp of Marshall law and jails cant hold villains so he plays judge jury and executioner.If times get that bad thats what would happen realistically.