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I've never really looked at the history of the Egg Bowl but I looked on the Wiki site for it this morning (when I should be working) and I have to say....the State of Mississippi really does not play up this rivalry like it should. I know, I know....it rarely had national impact but still...I think if BOTH State and Tsun would market the game maybe the national media would follow it a little closer and realize that there is no such thing as the Mississippi State Black Bears.

On a side note I noticed that (on the Wiki site anyway) that they give Tsun credit for two forfeited victories by State in '76 and '77 which I thought could not be done meaning that the overall record is actually 58-42. May be germans...I don't know...just noticed it.</p>
 
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I believe your 76 and 77 seasons were forfeited, not vacated. That all gets a little complicated. Technically, that means those games count as wins for us on the overall record, but usually they go in with an asterisk.

When looking through media guides it's interesting to see how different schools handle it. Most all media guides list the on-field score. Some will actually change the overall record to what it is post-forfeit. Some will show the record with the on-field results.

Vacated wins are even more complicated, since they technically only affect one side. If you lost to a team that vacated a win, you still lost the game, but they don't get to count the win, so both teams effectively lose.

As far as the marketing goes, you may have a point, but until we're both in the national spotlight regularly...at the same time...to most of the national media, we'll always be "the Mississippi schools", and they'll screw up the names.
 
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MemphisMaroonClubDog said:
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....I had a drawn out 'battle' with an OM fan who kept trying to have the "Egg Bowl" wiki article count only those games since the trophy was awarded, while I was trying to include the whole series. I finally won out, and the entire 100+ game series is there. (I didn't bring this up, but if you wanted to be picky, the MSU/OM game wasn't actually called the "Egg Bowl" until the 70's or 80's, so a wiki article titled "Egg Bowl" would start then rather than when "The Battle For The Golden Egg" started)<div>
</div><div>Several years ago, I created the wikipedia article on "Left Field Lounge", and that same OM fan tried to get the wiki article deleted completely under some non-notability rule. I fought him on it, and won out on that, too.
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The actual difference is indeed 16. Ole Miss has no claim whatever to the two forfeited games in that we beat the schidt out of them on the field. The remaining 16 is the difference in the dismal Vaught era. I'm an old fart but I plan on living long enough to see us overcome that. They will likely never catch us in basketball.
 
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If you wanted to title the article "Ole Miss-MSU football rivalry" you'd include ALL of the games.

If you entitle it "Battle for the Golden Egg (Egg Bowl)", you wouldn't include the games before the trophy was presented. I know in our media guide it is listed both ways with the overall record and the "Egg Bowl/Battle for the Golden Egg" record.

I know you guys hate this one, but if you listed the "Magnolia Bowl" record, it would be different than the record of the Ole Miss-LSU football rivalry. It's not that complicated.
 
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Let's say you're counting it as a 16 game difference. Then let's say you win the upcoming Egg Bowl games at a 75% clip (won't happen, but that's a best case scenario if we decide to be miserable forever). Even if that's the case, it'll take 32 years for you to catch up in the overall record.

More than likely none of us will live to see the series tied up. The programs just aren't that different for either team to make long-term headway in the rivalry.
 
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MemphisMaroonClubDog

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when no rivalry exists...

I guess in your eyes, Alabama/Auburn have 2 sets of records for including "Iron Bowl" and "Since Iron Bowl"... Do you really think that is true?
 
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what its like to lose to Ole Miss. Mullen says we're not losing to you again.
 
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Our State should make this a big deal like the Iron Bowl or World's Largest Cocktail party.

I think part of the problem is major in-state media feeling pressure to give token coverage to ancillary schools.

Which is a microcasm of what holds our state back - too many universities, too many school districts, more legislators per capita than damn near anybody, too much government, too much politic'ing, etc. The same could be said for many places, but trust me, MS takes it to a higher level.
 
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No matter what you call it, the Egg Bowl, the Battle for the Golden Egg, State vs. Mississippi, or anything else it's all the same thing. Using your logic, Green Bay only has2 Super Bowl wins because the first two were called the AFL-NFL Championship Game. Hell, there really isn't any official name for the MSU-UM game anyway. There's just a trophy for the winner. So, I'm going to say that MSU is 3-0 in the Mississippi Bowl and that's technically just as valid as anyone saying there's somehow an Egg Bowl record that's different than the overall series record.</p>
 
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patdog

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Probably won't get that high for long enough to close the gap in 32 years, but I wouldn't say it will never happen. </p>
 
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logic.Since you want to cherry pick stats, I believe that the rivalry should be broken down to when the seriesreturned to being played on campus. No othergames should count, pre 1991 is ancient history anyway.This would makeas much sense asyour "Egg Bowl" series distinction.</p>
 
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but the overall Egg Bowl Record is 60-42. The record since returning to campus is 12-9. The winning %'s are almost identical.
 
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The record started the first time the two teams played. Pure and simple. At the moment, they have an 18 game lead in theseries, which is honestly not as bad as it sounds considering when you look at some of the other rivalries. Clemson has a twenty something lead over USCe. Tennessee has a bazillion game lead over UK.
 
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