Beamer has lost Sellers

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Up until yesterday, he has portrayed himself as the consummate team player and program guy. All of a sudden, at last night’s presser whebasked about his future, he said “my people will handle that.”

Total detachment from the program.

Harbor was wishy washy on his future. Kilgore flat-out said he would look around at what’s best.

This is a calamitous situation.
Beamer never had me, but Sellers lost me.
 
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kidrobinski

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That’s the thing with Sellers; he only knows how to play ‘Sellers’, he doesn’t know how to play ‘quarterback’ and I believe it’s because he didn’t play football at all or enough coming up to get the strategy. Once you take ‘Sellers’ away, which has been demonstrated to be easily done, he’s relatively impotent.
 

18IsTheMan

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That’s the thing with Sellers; he only knows how to play ‘Sellers’, he doesn’t know how to play ‘quarterback’ and I believe it’s because he didn’t play football at all or enough coming up to get the strategy. Once you take ‘Sellers’ away, which has been demonstrated to be easily done, he’s relatively impotent.
I am friends with a guy who was on staff in Florence when Sellers was there. He texted me during his sophomore year that they had a future D1 QB on their team and told me about Sellers. He's adamant that Sellers is a great QB and just hasn't been asked to win games with his arm.
 

18IsTheMan

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Oh I think he’s been asked.
One play that jumped out to me from the Clemson game, was a pass play where Harbor was streaking across the middle of the field, completely wide open and right in Sellers field of view. Sellers flat-out didn't see him and ended up throwing an incompletion (if I recall correctly) to a tightly covered receiver along the sideline. It was just one play, but it's been a pattern this season that he doesn't see the field well.

His inaccuracy was also on display against Clemson. He had several passes that were inexplicably off. One he just airmailed into the endzone, a good 15 yards beyond the receiver.
 

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One play that jumped out to me from the Clemson game, was a pass play where Harbor was streaking across the middle of the field, completely wide open and right in Sellers field of view. Sellers flat-out didn't see him and ended up throwing an incompletion (if I recall correctly) to a tightly covered receiver along the sideline. It was just one play, but it's been a pattern this season that he doesn't see the field well.

His inaccuracy was also on display against Clemson. He had several passes that were inexplicably off. One he just airmailed into the endzone, a good 15 yards beyond the receiver.


Not seeing a WR happens, even missing a WR happens. Throw in the crappy OL play, and I think Sellers should get a little extra consideration.

Having said that, you are right when you say its a pattern. It wasn't an occasional thing, but seemingly the norm.

I was debating in another thread if we could dismiss the struggles due to the OL, and I'm forced to concede that you have to give that some credence. But Sellers's issues go beyond that.

He would be best served with a change in scenery, imo. I dont know if he still gets a high enough draft grade this year to make the jump. If not, I wonder what a good OC and QB coach could do with him if he had a line in front of him.

I dont think he's going to get that here.
 

18IsTheMan

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Not seeing a WR happens, even missing a WR happens. Throw in the crappy OL play, and I think Sellers should get a little extra consideration.

Having said that, you are right when you say its a pattern. It wasn't an occasional thing, but seemingly the norm.

I was debating in another thread if we could dismiss the struggles due to the OL, and I'm forced to concede that you have to give that some credence. But Sellers's issues go beyond that.

He would be best served with a change in scenery, imo. I dont know if he still gets a high enough draft grade this year to make the jump. If not, I wonder what a good OC and QB coach could do with him if he had a line in front of him.

I dont think he's going to get that here.
Analysis of his play is definitely confounded by the horrendous OL play.

How much of his inaccuracy was due to never feeling comfortable in the pocket, even on the rare play where he wasn't pressured? He was pressured on astonishing 41% of snaps this year. That makes it awfully doggone hard to develop any rhythm, which all QBs need.

Throw in that opposing defenses pretty effectively schemed to neutralize his running ability. We didn't have enough weapons on offense, or they didn't respect Sellers arm, so they were able to dedicate a spy to Sellers (and sometimes 2).
 
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Analysis of his play is definitely confounded by the horrendous OL play.

How much of his inaccuracy was due to never feeling comfortable in the pocket, even on the rare play where he wasn't pressured? He was pressured on astonishing 41% of snaps this year. That makes it awfully doggone hard to develop any rhythm, which all QBs need.

Throw in that opposing defenses pretty effectively schemed to neutralize his running ability. We didn't have enough weapons on offense, or they didn't respect Sellers arm, so they were able to dedicate a spy to Sellers (and sometimes 2).

Okay, so put yourself in Seller's shoes right now. You have 3 options.

1- NFL. What grade would you need to make the jump? 2nd round? 3rd?

2-Stay here. Maybe the OL gets better, maybe the new OC can scheme for you?

3-NIL free agency. Hunt for a team withbabline and some coaches. Make a run next year to raise youre draft grade.

Which do you choose? (I know option 1 is pending info)
 

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Okay, so put yourself in Seller's shoes right now. You have 3 options.

1- NFL. What grade would you need to make the jump? 2nd round? 3rd?

2-Stay here. Maybe the OL gets better, maybe the new OC can scheme for you?

3-NIL free agency. Hunt for a team withbabline and some coaches. Make a run next year to raise youre draft grade.

Which do you choose? (I know option 1 is pending info)
Well, as Sellers said, it's something "his people" 🤮 will handle.

I think if he found just the right offense in college, he could plug in and be successful. No matter what, he's playing for a new OC in 2026. Here, another school or NFL. A 3rd round would make about $1.5 million/year. I could see him leaving for that, but that's dangerous territory. A projected 3rd round pick could easily slip to 5th round or go undrafted.

If I were him, I'd guess he'd rank his options as you have them listed: NFL, return here, go somewhere else.

I have to wonder what his value is to other college programs right now. They're asking the same questions we are: how much of his stark regression is due to the OL? Do you sink a bunch of NIL money into him for a one year only to find out he's a bust? I don't see any CFP caliber teams pursuing him. Maybe some fringe teams looking to make the jump.

I really don't know what a good answer is.
 
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Okay, so put yourself in Seller's shoes right now. You have 3 options.

1- NFL. What grade would you need to make the jump? 2nd round? 3rd?

2-Stay here. Maybe the OL gets better, maybe the new OC can scheme for you?

3-NIL free agency. Hunt for a team withbabline and some coaches. Make a run next year to raise youre draft grade.

Which do you choose? (I know option 1 is pending info)

To add, I think what's best for US is that he go pro. We look kind of good for getting another QB drafted. We don't have to bother answering the question of how much of his regression was due to his lack of talent vs the bad OL play. We avoid the black eye that comes from him possibly transferring and balling out somewhere else. We avoid bringing him back, losing QBs to the portal and him putting up another bad year.
 

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Okay, so put yourself in Seller's shoes right now. You have 3 options.

1- NFL. What grade would you need to make the jump? 2nd round? 3rd?

2-Stay here. Maybe the OL gets better, maybe the new OC can scheme for you?

3-NIL free agency. Hunt for a team withbabline and some coaches. Make a run next year to raise youre draft grade.

Which do you choose? (I know option 1 is pending info)
I think if I'm him, its #3. Regarding #2, if there's football in eternity, I don't think that will still be enough time where USC will have a good OL.
If he's counting on #1, I feel for him. After this year, UDFA is his only option, IMO (our players - not named Clowney - never go as high as our fans or sometimes even the pundits predict).
 
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I think if I'm him, its #3. Regarding #2, if there's football in eternity, I don't think that will still be enough time where USC will have a good OL.
If he's counting on #1, I feel for him. After this year, UDFA is his only option, IMO (our players - not named Clowney - never go as high as our fans or sometimes even the pundits predict).
I tend to agree, except that he's consistently received first round projections throughout the season, even with his poor play. The NFL will love his measurables.
 

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Another year of college, far away from usc is in his best interest. I would take him back in a heartbeat with the right OC. LSU would be a good choice if they are in need of a QB.
 

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Okay, so put yourself in Seller's shoes right now. You have 3 options.

1- NFL. What grade would you need to make the jump? 2nd round? 3rd?

2-Stay here. Maybe the OL gets better, maybe the new OC can scheme for you?

3-NIL free agency. Hunt for a team withbabline and some coaches. Make a run next year to raise youre draft grade.

Which do you choose? (I know option 1 is pending info)
My guess is (#3) transfer to an ACC team where you can put up Gawdy numbers against ACC type defenders. He wuldnt have to deal with NFL caliber corners and rushers in that league. So i would guess maybe a Miami or FSU..
 

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One play that jumped out to me from the Clemson game, was a pass play where Harbor was streaking across the middle of the field, completely wide open and right in Sellers field of view. Sellers flat-out didn't see him and ended up throwing an incompletion (if I recall correctly) to a tightly covered receiver along the sideline. It was just one play, but it's been a pattern this season that he doesn't see the field well.

His inaccuracy was also on display against Clemson. He had several passes that were inexplicably off. One he just airmailed into the endzone, a good 15 yards beyond the receiver.
Not sure if it's vision or timing. On that wide open across the middle play, if Sellers isn't already about to throw that pass, he's toast. They never seemed to have timing plays/throwing to a spot... unless it was the behind LOS play that never worked (except against CCU).
 

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To add, I think what's best for US is that he go pro. We look kind of good for getting another QB drafted. We don't have to bother answering the question of how much of his regression was due to his lack of talent vs the bad OL play. We avoid the black eye that comes from him possibly transferring and balling out somewhere else. We avoid bringing him back, losing QBs to the portal and him putting up another bad year.
We also have a 5* and a 4* on the bench. Supposedly another 4* coming, too, iirc.