Bears in trouble vs MTSU...
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MSU alumni and son of former MSU coach KermitDavis Sr.
This is some terrible basketball. FT shooting is horrendous.</p>
This is some terrible basketball. FT shooting is horrendous.</p>
is always good for a few laughs. Their program is terrible. I'm surprised they even have a team still.
Running good motion, making shots, clogging the middle and forcing Ole Miss to shoot outside jumpers. Rebs better get their **** together.
AK once again has no interior players and they are not good enough at point guard to make a serious run at the NCAA's.
...he was the late 1970's-early 1980's version of Seth Cannon/Brandon Bolen/Baxter Price. They lost to Sean Tuohy and the (then) Ole Miss Rebels 8 straight times.
why ESPN and other sports media insist on hyping up Ole Miss basketball year after year. I always hear talk about how they're going to be a major player in the SEC early in the season, then losses like this happen, and they go on to be mediocre in conference play. I realize we usually fit that bill too, but we don't get the initial media love for seemingly no reason.
It made me laugh to watch people actually talk about the NCAA tournament. I think they forgot who our coach is.
Don't worry. We won't be bad enough to miss postseason play, but we sure won't be in the real tournament. When you have Coach NIT on your sidelines, there really isn't a reason to get up or down about the regular season. You know how the story ends, so you save yourself the emotions of the season and wait for the NIT. I was saying that before the season and even after our "big" close wins over the 8th best ACC team, the 14th best Big East team, and the 10th best B1G team.
Don't worry. We won't be bad enough to miss postseason play, but we sure won't be in the real tournament. When you have Coach NIT on your sidelines, there really isn't a reason to get up or down about the regular season. You know how the story ends, so you save yourself the emotions of the season and wait for the NIT. I was saying that before the season and even after our "big" close wins over the 8th best ACC team, the 14th best Big East team, and the 10th best B1G team.
it isn't Kennedy's fault y'all suck. It's the program. It's a joke. It always has been, and always will be. To say that job is the worst in college, wouldn't be far off. You can't recruit there, the facilities blow, and you play in the SEC. </p>
I do agree with you to an extent. I've said what Kennedy is. He's an NIT coach, but I've also asked if we should expect more than that given what we put into the program. Making the NIT pretty much every year is better than most coaches have done here.
With the new practice facility and the arena upcoming probably in the next 5 years, maybe we should start asking for more, but prior to that we haven't demanded much from basketball, and we've received what back what we put into it.
I disagree on the recruiting note though. It doesn't matter what your facilities or tradition are like. In basketball, it's about having AAU connections (making the right donations), so that coaches steer their players to you. Do you really think Stans is such a great recruiter because he's great in a living room, or because players just love the Hump, or because players just love the tradition of MSU basketball, or they love Starkville? It's not about that in college basketball. It's about connections and pulling the right strings.
With the new practice facility and the arena upcoming probably in the next 5 years, maybe we should start asking for more, but prior to that we haven't demanded much from basketball, and we've received what back what we put into it.
I disagree on the recruiting note though. It doesn't matter what your facilities or tradition are like. In basketball, it's about having AAU connections (making the right donations), so that coaches steer their players to you. Do you really think Stans is such a great recruiter because he's great in a living room, or because players just love the Hump, or because players just love the tradition of MSU basketball, or they love Starkville? It's not about that in college basketball. It's about connections and pulling the right strings.
If that's what makes you feel better about the fact that State's hoops program has been light years ahead of Ole Miss's for about two decades.
AAU connections are important, but to act like college basketball success can be bought in one way and one way only makes you look like an irrational *****.
AAU connections are important, but to act like college basketball success can be bought in one way and one way only makes you look like an irrational *****.
If you watched the game last night you saw nothing but streetball on offense, and horrible defense. Ole Miss plays like an AAU team. They have some talent on this team to easily be a middle of the road SEC team, but AK has no clue how to control and/or desire to teach his players to play as a team...
It's only over the last decade or so that AAU has taken over basketball and basketball recruiting. I'm sorry if that offends you for some reason, but there is a reason John Calipari is the best recruiter in the nation, and it isn't his charisma, despite the fact that he is very charismatic.
You still have to keep the players happy and actually coach them once you get them, but basketball recruiting is a system of highly organized cheating. It's by far the worst of all the college sports on that front. It just is, and you can't make an argument against it.
You still have to keep the players happy and actually coach them once you get them, but basketball recruiting is a system of highly organized cheating. It's by far the worst of all the college sports on that front. It just is, and you can't make an argument against it.
I've been saying this for a while. We've got enough talent that we'll win a decent number of games on talent alone, but we're poorly coached enough that we'll never make the dance. That's how Kennedy is able to so consistently reach the NIT without falling below it or rising above it.
cbssportsline.com has a front page article on its website about the game and Kermit Davis' ties to MSU. Good reading
where it is. Being the only basketball program in the state that is successful year in and year out is what has attracted the best players in MS here.
AAU is a part of it but you are making it sound like the ALL of it. The fact that we have consistently shown every year that we are the best team in the state is what gets the best Mississippirecruits to look at MSU first. Our facilities have been light years ahead of the Tad Pad too which hurts your image with recruits. Also the fact that we have made the NCAA tourney nearly 50% of the time under Stansbury helps tremendously.
Who was the last Mississippi kid to really star at Ole Miss anyway? Justin Reed?
Who was the last Mississippi kid to really star at Ole Miss anyway? Justin Reed?
on TV this year... They've got some big, strong athletes in Buckner, Holloway, Cox, etc. but seemingly none of them actually know how to play basketball. Their offense consists of throwing the ball at the backboard and hoping that one of those big athletes can jump up and get a tip in. I don't know if there really is a guy on the team who can just make a move and consistently get a good shot off- maybe Henry or Kendrick?- and make a "basketball play" like AK was talking about last night. That's one of the things separating us from them- every guy who plays consistent minutes for us can do this (except maybe Wendell but that's not his role). Watching Mississippi is like watching an overgrown high school team screwing around on the playground.
The Provine guys probably are the last good players we had from Mississippi, and we hired their coach to get them. I think Lockhart was from Mississippi. He was very good. He was before the Provine group though. Kennedy has gone out of state almost exclusively it seems, though he's picked up a few in-state recently.
Prior to that, with Evans's first good teams, really the only in-state guy was Joezon Darby, and he was our 6th man. 3 of our starters were from Arkansas, one from Texas, and one from Louisiana.
Ultimately, our problem with basketball is the fact that our fans generally have always treated it as a second class sport and still do. That's why our facilities are so far behind (though they won't be 5 years from now), but it's the main reason we've sucked at it historically, much like Auburn and Georgia. It's nothing intrinsic about Ole Miss. It's just that the fans have never been big basketball fans.
I compare it a lot to baseball, because you see how quickly our fans responded when we had moderate success in baseball. The investment in the program took off. We had a good run in the late 90s/early 00s, but the fans never did more for the program other than showing up. Little actual investment was made in the program.
Prior to that, with Evans's first good teams, really the only in-state guy was Joezon Darby, and he was our 6th man. 3 of our starters were from Arkansas, one from Texas, and one from Louisiana.
Ultimately, our problem with basketball is the fact that our fans generally have always treated it as a second class sport and still do. That's why our facilities are so far behind (though they won't be 5 years from now), but it's the main reason we've sucked at it historically, much like Auburn and Georgia. It's nothing intrinsic about Ole Miss. It's just that the fans have never been big basketball fans.
I compare it a lot to baseball, because you see how quickly our fans responded when we had moderate success in baseball. The investment in the program took off. We had a good run in the late 90s/early 00s, but the fans never did more for the program other than showing up. Little actual investment was made in the program.