Being in a power conf

[dark_check]

Back in the 2000s they told us we didn’t play a tough enough schedule. Joined the B1G. Problem solved. Now it’s you don’t play a tough enough OOC. Meanwhile we play in the B1G and who does Nevada play. Plus some of those at larges had one quad one win and one QUAD FOUR.

The only answer seems to be do really good in quad 2-3. But we can’t help we have a ton of quad ones. It used to help being in a power conf. Now it hurts.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Back in 2000s they told you to win 20 games. We won 19.

 

[OldManRiver1]

It also doesn't help that the conference you're in gets a lot of bids and then proceed to shite the bed

 

[RUbacker]

Back in the 2000s they told us we didn’t play a tough enough schedule. Joined the B1G. Problem solved. Now it’s you don’t play a tough enough OOC. Meanwhile we play in the B1G and who does Nevada play. Plus some of those at larges had one quad one win and one QUAD FOUR.

The only answer seems to be do really good in quad 2-3. But we can’t help we have a ton of quad ones. It used to help being in a power conf. Now it hurts.

This is how things work around here now , merit no longer gets you in . The best in their field don‘t always get the top spots.

 

[The RUT]

the schedule argument is stupid af.

No **** Nevada, Boise, SDSU, Gonzaga, etc etc. need to play big OOC games. Their conference schedule is straight dog water.

 

[NickRU714]

CFP now guarantees a G5 champion gets in.

When do lower P5 teams (not us - Big Ten money is too much) drop down and become the new "Cincinnati"?
Beat up on a bad conference and always make the postseason.

 

[bitnez]

The committee should just say that your OOC will be weighed against your peers and all peers are not equal. That’s essentially what they did.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Beat Minny

 

[dark_check]

Beat Minny

How does that change the OOC argument used by the committee chair

 

[Knight Shift]

It's not just the OOC. It's the Quad 3 losses. It's the injury situation and the play down the final stretch because of the injury. It's 3 different things, and in the balance, we had 3 things working against us. RU could have controlled the OOC.

 

[NickRU714]

How does that change the OOC argument used by the committee chair

Its a collection of factors.
Beating Minny (remove bad loss. Hit 20 wins) makes OOC less impactful.

You don't have to fix everything. Just mitigate their impact.

Win the terrible OOC games and the SOS doesn't matter as much.

 

[gigantor1024]

You are correct. We have a better shot playing in a garbage conference and winning 25 games a year. The argument for better OOC makes zero sense if all you have to do is win 25 games in a crappy conference. Or win a crappy conference tournament. There is zero benefit to playing in a Power 5 conference in basketball

 

[RUnTeX]

Back in the 2000s they told us we didn’t play a tough enough schedule.

Rutgers was in the BE during that time, which was plenty strong enough schedule-wise.

 

[RUsojo]

The thing that hurts is Minny is not the first time we’ve employed that strategy while holding a late lead and ended up losing.

 

[NickRU714]

You are correct. We have a better shot playing in a garbage conference and winning 25 games a year. The argument for better OOC makes zero sense if all you have to do is win 25 games in a crappy conference. Or win a crappy conference tournament. There is zero benefit to playing in a Power 5 conference in basketball

Well not us. The money is too much to give up for better postseason options.

But look at Temple in AAC.
If they dropped to C-USA.

Football: go undefeated and have a great shot at the 12 team CFP (6 highest conference champs are AQ. P5 plus best G5).
Basketball: best up on crappier teams and/or win conference tourney and AQ for the tournament.

Would the money really be that different for them?

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

The thing that hurts is Minny is not the first time we’ve employed that strategy while holding a late lead and ended up losing.

Substitute Lafayette at home vs Minnesota on the road and I'd agree. It is clear that people listening to anything mentioned by the committee is BS.

If they followed the requirements, RU had a better chance of being out last year vs this year. They had worse losses last year vs this year.

We are assuming Minnesota was the deciding factor when it was clear that UNC being the 3rd team out, tells you otherwise. If UNC beat Duke in the season finale, they would have jumped RU, OK State, Nevada, ASU and Pittsburgh. They had the OOC schedule, even though they beat no one of note.

It is a farce....UNC was a blue blood and at least had enough common sense to know what it is. They opted out, the University of Dayton opted out of the NIT and stopped the charade of allowing the NCAA to jerk them around.

The system is broken, full stop.

 

[RUsojo]

Substitute Lafayette at home vs Minnesota on the road and I'd agree. It is clear that people listening to anything mentioned by the committee is BS.

If they followed the requirements, RU had a better chance of being out last year vs this year. They had worse losses last year vs this year.

We are assuming Minnesota was the deciding factor when it was clear that UNC being the 3rd team out, tells you otherwise. If UNC beat Duke in the season finale, they would have jumped RU, OK State, Nevada, ASU and Pittsburgh. They had the OOC schedule, even though they beat no one of note.

It is a farce....UNC was a blue blood and at least had enough common sense to know what it is. They opted out, the University of Dayton opted out of the NIT and stopped the charade of allowing the NCAA to jerk them around.

The system is broken, full stop.

While I agree Rutgers caught the benefit of the doubt last year and Texas AM got snubbed, the difference was last years slightlytttt better resume had WAYYY more high Q1 wins.

The committee has stayed pretty close with criteria and made an exception to the criteria last year , but clearly did not set a new precedent, and put RU in because of those high Q1 wins.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

CFP now guarantees a G5 champion gets in.

When do lower P5 teams (not us - Big Ten money is too much) drop down and become the new "Cincinnati"?
Beat up on a bad conference and always make the postseason.

It seems pretty clear to me that the minnows at the NCAA table are going to come after the B1G whenever they can for hurting their bottom line.

So the committee would love that. Look at the helping hand they gave to the MWC.

They don't like realignment and RU was by far and away the #1 winner of realignment. You could have argued Utah before but not anymore.

 

[RUJMM78]

Back in 2000s they told you to win 20 games.

There were plenty of teams that won more than 20 games.

 

[RU84]

Substitute Lafayette at home vs Minnesota on the road and I'd agree. It is clear that people listening to anything mentioned by the committee is BS.

If they followed the requirements, RU had a better chance of being out last year vs this year. They had worse losses last year vs this year.

We are assuming Minnesota was the deciding factor when it was clear that UNC being the 3rd team out, tells you otherwise. If UNC beat Duke in the season finale, they would have jumped RU, OK State, Nevada, ASU and Pittsburgh. They had the OOC schedule, even though they beat no one of note.

It is a farce....UNC was a blue blood and at least had enough common sense to know what it is. They opted out, the University of Dayton opted out of the NIT and stopped the charade of allowing the NCAA to jerk them around.

The system is broken, full stop.

It’s like playing whack a mole. The goalposts seem to keep moving. Regardless of the warts with RU, it’s resume is still better than Nevada, Pitt, NC State, etc. A travesty.

 

[RUDivision]

How does that change the OOC argument used by the committee chair

Because The OOC was an excuse used by the committee if you beat MINY are numbers are too good to ignore and OOC would not have mattered . They gave 2 reasons why we were not in. OOC and how we played down the stretch. Can’t lose to the basement dwellers of your conference

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Back in 2000s they told you to win 20 games. We won 19.

Ohio State…

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Ohio State…

We lost that game. I am sick and tired of hearing about it. There were 130 total possessions and we are going to nitpick about 1. We lost that game more because of what happened in those other 129 possessions.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Post Nevada, NC State and Pitt's SOS numbers and their records. Post our SOS and our record. Either have a better OOC schedule or win more games.

I do think it is wrong that we are penalized for Mag's injury though. That isn't right.

 

[RUDivision]

We lost that game. I am sick and tired of hearing about it. There were 130 total possessions and we are going to nitpick about 1. We lost that game more because of what happened in those other 129 possessions.

Agreed had nothing to do with the shot! Pike tried to have the team foul up 3 to make OSU make FT and not be able to tie with 3. Sound basketball play IF you practice and believe in that philosophy the other is to play it out and guard the 3 . Pike had never in his career fouled a team up 3 late his philosophy had been and every game after OSU was to guard the 3 and play the game out. So we fouled. Why? They are a good FT a team we definitely are not. They made two we missed one so now up two. Shot goes in ball game. That shot never been attempted let alone step out of bounds.

 

[jordkap]

Beat Minny

Annoyingly Jaden Henley who made the big put back for them already is in the portal. Dude on his way out made one of the biggest plays of that comeback.

 

[CollegeSenior]

RU was 10-10 in conference and 1-3 against SHU, Temple, WF and Miami. 11-13 in games that mattered. Not good enough this year.

 

[essexknight]

I do think it is wrong that we are penalized for Mag's injury though. That isn't right.

I agree. The committee looked at the team with Mag (winning record with wins over Purdue, NW, MD, etc) and without Mag (losing record with losses to Minn and Neb) and it seems like they heavily weighted the latter. This is not fair.

Nevada lost three straight and four of their last six including against a terrible Wyoming team. It doesn’t make sense to give them an at large bid.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I agree. The committee looked at the team with Mag (winning record with wins over Purdue, NW, MD, etc) and without Mag (losing record with losses to Minn and Neb) and it seems like they heavily weighted the latter. This is not fair.

Nevada lost three straight and four of their last six including against a terrible Wyoming team. It doesn’t make sense to give them an at large bid.

Ironically we had as many Q1 wins post Mag as NCSU had the entire season but somehow that moved them past Dayton...

 

[RUChoppin]

Replace Temple, Wake, UMass-Lowell and SHU with a top 25 team and three bottom feeders in the 200+ range, and we are likely 20-13 and on our way to the dance. OOC teams in the NET 75-150 are all risk no reward for major conference programs.

 

[Mr Magoo_rivals90743]

RU was 10-10 in conference and 1-3 against SHU, Temple, WF and Miami. 11-13 in games that mattered. Not good enough this year.

Looking at that in a vacuum, I might agree. Looking at that vs. the resumes of Nevada, Pitt, and a couple of others in the field (and especially Oklahoma St, who did not make it but was ahead of us), and it’s garbage.

They didn’t want us in and may have wanted to make a statement - about what I’m not exactly sure (B1G, OOC, the loses you pointed out, whatever), or perhaps other political nonsense, and then backed it up with ******** like everything else.

They have enough nonsense metrics to support whatever decision they really want and vary what’s more important every year to get the results they want.

Just like we say be ahead by enough points so that the incompetent refs can’t affect the outcome (OSU), similarly make sure your record is good enough so the incompetent committee won’t F it up like they just did.

Not fair… but reality.

 

[dark_check]

Because The OOC was an excuse used by the committee if you beat MINY are numbers are too good to ignore and OOC would not have mattered . They gave 2 reasons why we were not in. OOC and how we played down the stretch. Can’t lose to the basement dwellers of your conference

They didn’t say how we played down the stretch. They said we didn’t meet the eye test of the games they watched since Mag. They didn’t happen to watch the comeback at Penn St, eliminating Mich from the tourney or almost beating Purdue AGAIN….all in our last five. That’s just not right.

 

[RUbacker]

Back in the 2000s they told us we didn’t play a tough enough schedule. Joined the B1G. Problem solved. Now it’s you don’t play a tough enough OOC. Meanwhile we play in the B1G and who does Nevada play. Plus some of those at larges had one quad one win and one QUAD FOUR.

The only answer seems to be do really good in quad 2-3. But we can’t help we have a ton of quad ones. It used to help being in a power conf. Now it hurts.

Still mind boggling to me how they decided we did not belong. I’m getting contacted from people all over the country basically siding with RU and asking me how this happened.