Belichick and UNC getting hot; makes his demands

[18IsTheMan]

Depending on the source he has been offered, or he has accepted, or there are still a few hurdles. He has apparently issued a 400-page organizational "Bible" to UNC on how he wants things structured. Among other things, there were salary minimums, position by position. Further, he demands two separate staffs: coaching staff and recruiting staff. The recruiting staff would be run by a sitting college GM.

UPDATE: UNC has offered Bill Belichick coaching job

UNC considering Belichick's plan.

www.witn.com

That all seems a bit outlandish, but it fits with his insistence on having total control, which is largely why he has yet to land an NFL gig. The two separate staffs thing is extremely interesting and it's easy to see how an idea like that could catch on.

Also allegedly wants an assurance that his son be named HCIW.

 

[KingWard]

Depending on the source he has been offered, or he has accepted, or there are still a few hurdles. He has apparently issued a 400-page organizational "Bible" to UNC on how he wants things structured. Among other things, there were salary minimums, position by position. Further, he demands two separate staffs: coaching staff and recruiting staff. The recruiting staff would be run by a sitting college GM.

UPDATE: UNC has offered Bill Belichick coaching job

UNC considering Belichick's plan.

www.witn.com

That all seems a bit outlandish, but it fits with his insistence on having total control, which is largely why he has yet to land an NFL gig. The two separate staffs thing is extremely interesting and it's easy to see how and idea like that could catch on.

Also allegedly wants an assurance that his son be named HCIW.

It's a testament to how a true professional views the current college landscape. As such, it is instructional. More and more programs are hiring GMs for football. The costs are getting staggering, and the knees of many are going to buckle under the weight. They just won't be able to keep up. I never thought I would say this, but some ADs will be venturing into cryptocurrency.

Having said all that, I can't see UNC doing it if all those demands stand.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's a testament to how a true professional views the current college landscape. As such, it is instructional. More and more programs are hiring GMs for football. The costs are getting staggering, and the knees of many are going to buckle under the weight. They just won't be able to keep up. I never thought I would say this, but some ADs will be venturing into cryptocurrency.

When I first read the 2 separate staffs idea, my initial reaction was that it's absurd.

The more I think about it, though, I can see it being an attractive idea for those schools that can afford it. Let's face it, college football in previous iterations is dead. Kids are not looking to play for a coach or a program or a logo on a helmet any longer. As much as Beamer touts it, relationships matter less and less and less in recruiting. For your top recruits, relationships don't matter at all. That being the case, why should a coach stretch himself to the max 365 days a year doing it? Just have a staff that takes care of it.

I don't think this is something that would catch in the next year or so, but if UNC does it and it seems to be successful, we know college football is a copy cat world. Even if it doesn't immediately show successful results, programs are so reactionary that other schools will be scared that UNC might have some success at something they aren't even doing, so I can see schools adopting the approach.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Belichick responding to criticism from some about his ability to coach in college: "Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

Interesting. Could be a pretty strong recruiting pitch. From the recruiting staff, of course.

 

[Gradstudent]

Belichick responding to criticism from some about his ability to coach in college: "Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

Interesting. Could be a pretty strong recruiting pitch. From the recruiting staff, of course.

Hmmmmm sounds like that already exists, sounds like most SEC schools

 

[18IsTheMan]

Hmmmmm sounds like that already exists, sounds like most SEC schools

Not even close.

Yes, SEC schools have recruiting staff, but not its own separate entity. Belichick wants an independently functioning recruiting staff. That would be a seismic shift.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Call me crazy but, I think this is all about pleasing and keeping the young girlfriend.

 

[Evilchicken]

He’s ******* 73. If they sign him he’ll last 5.

 

[18IsTheMan]

He’s ******* 73. If they sign him he’ll last 5.

That's why he wants his son brought on staff and named HCIW.

 

[Evilchicken]

That's why he wants his son brought on staff and named HCIW.

I get that, but him being named head coach isn’t gonna bear much fruit for UNC. Splashy hire, but with very very short term benefits.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I get that, but him being named head coach isn’t gonna bear much fruit for UNC. Splashy hire, but with very very short term benefits.

Yeah, most likely. But if he can live up to his promise of making UNC an NFL training ground and pipeline? Look at how Deion has been able to recruit based entirely on his NFL cred and he hasn't been in the league for 2 decades.

 

[Gamecock72]

When I first read the 2 separate staffs idea, my initial reaction was that it's absurd.

The more I think about it, though, I can see it being an attractive idea for those schools that can afford it. Let's face it, college football in previous iterations is dead. Kids are not looking to play for a coach or a program or a logo on a helmet any longer. As much as Beamer touts it, relationships matter less and less and less in recruiting. For your top recruits, relationships don't matter at all. That being the case, why should a coach stretch himself to the max 365 days a year doing it? Just have a staff that takes care of it.

I don't think this is something that would catch in the next year or so, but if UNC does it and it seems to be successful, we know college football is a copy cat world. Even if it doesn't immediately show successful results, programs are so reactionary that other schools will be scared that UNC might have some success at something they aren't even doing, so I can see schools adopting the approach.

I am kind of mixed on the separate coaching staff and recruiting staff. I am not sure how these HS kids are going to like not working with the coach that brings them in. Seems like that is a huge deal for a lot of these kids, getting to know the coach they will work with on the football field while being recruited.

 

[KingWard]

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Belichick responding to criticism from some about his ability to coach in college: "Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

Interesting. Could be a pretty strong recruiting pitch. From the recruiting staff, of course.

I heard him say it; he's selling the full NFL-prep package.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I am kind of mixed on the separate coaching staff and recruiting staff. I am not sure how these HS kids are going to like not working with the coach that brings them in. Seems like that is a huge deal for a lot of these kids, getting to know the coach they will work with on the football field while being recruited.

That was my initial thought, but the way college football is trending, I think those relationships are less important and it's more about NIL. I am sure recruits will meet the coach when they come in, but it doesn't sound like Belichick would be hitting the trail much, or at all. I think it just hastens along the transition to the professional model that CFB is making.

 

[18IsTheMan]

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I heard him say it; he's selling the full NFL-prep package.

Yep. Basically Deion on steroids. Deion is finding some recruiting success b/c he was a good player in the league 2 decades ago.

You think some top recruits might want to go learn from an 8-time Super Bowl winning coach? And think of the connections...sheesh.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

My first take at this being a serious possible thing......

Let's all hope UNC lands him....

Clemmons would be in trouble immediately. - So would we, but less so, IMHO. Maybe 60 / 40 - it impacts Clemmons more. Recruits would want to play for him immediately. JMHO.

 

[Gradstudent]

Not even close.

Yes, SEC schools have recruiting staff, but not its own separate entity. Belichick wants an independently functioning recruiting staff. That would be a seismic shift.

"Not even close?" I was just responding to the quote you posted, that quote you posted that I referenced did not say anything about independently functioning recruiting staff, the below kind of sounded like a SEC program to me, which as a conference already preps alot of college players for the NFL but to each his own and you probably have to many conversations going on at once, LOL

"Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

 

[Evilchicken]

Why UNC? Guess he wants Easter egg blue blankets and warm tapioca as he fumbles comfortably into oblivion? He’ll get free burgers at Top of the Hill and a free membership to the Carolina Inn. Borrriiinnnggg

 

[grytlbrt]

Also demanding a clause in there that his girlfriend can stay out till midnight on weekends.

 

[92Pony]

Belichick responding to criticism from some about his ability to coach in college: "Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

Interesting. Could be a pretty strong recruiting pitch. From the recruiting staff, of course.

Makes me think Kentucky bball in Cal’s prime.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Also demanding a clause in there that his girlfriend can stay out till midnight on weekends.

I will go out on a limb here and say their relationship is one purely of mutual benefit. She obviously is trying to be a social media influencer type. Dating a 72 year old, 8-time Super Bowl champion coach affords the opportunity for exposure she would otherwise have no shot at.

Meanwhile, he gets to bed down with a pert and perky 24 year old.

 

[KingWard]

I will go out on a limb here and say there relationship is one purely of mutual benefit. She obviously is trying to be a social media influencer type. Dating a 72 year old, 8-time Super Bowl champion coach affords the opportunity for exposure she would otherwise have no shot at.

Meanwhile, he gets to bed down with a pert and perky 24 year old.

Watch how the Viagra stock prices tank when they break up.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UNC BOT set to meet today to approve his hiring.

If he executes his plan of making UNC basically a minor league NFL franchise, this could be a fascinating case study. If it works and UNC becomes a strong football program, obviously everyone will copy it.

I guess if you're UNC, what do you have to lose? This is the kind of thing I think will either be a total disaster or produce amazing results.

If successful, it could radically change how college programs are managed.

 

[treyno2722]

That's why he wants his son brought on staff and named HCIW.

Sounds like Skip Holtz, how did that go?

 

[treyno2722]

Should have kept Mack Brown, he's 73.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

There's something bothersome about this thread title. Given Belilchick's affinity for women 50 years his younger, the visuals that happen when one reads, "Belichick and UNC getting hot."

 

[18IsTheMan]

So it's officially happening.

Regardless of the outcome, it will be fascinating to watch. Either Belichick re-writes how college football programs are structured and managed or an 8-time Super Bowl winning coach is ushered off in disgrace, unable to succeed in a mediocre college football conference.

 

[gamecock stock]

PR stunt by UNC to make them, hopefully to them, football relevant down the road.

 

[atl-cock]

Belichick responding to criticism from some about his ability to coach in college: "Let me put this in capital letters. If I was in a college program, the college program would be a pipeline to the NFL for the players who had the ability to play in the NFL. It would be a professional program. Training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, techniques, that would transfer to the NFL. It would be an NFL program at a college level, and an education that would get players ready for their career after football. Whether that was the end of their college career or the end of their pro career. But, it would be geared toward developing the player, time management, discipline, structure. That would be life skills, regardless of whether they are in the NFL or somewhere in business. I feel very confident that I have the contacts in the NFL to pave the way for those players that would have the opportunity to compete. Whether they're good enough or not, I don't know, but they'll be ready for it. I don't have any doubt about that."

Interesting. Could be a pretty strong recruiting pitch. From the recruiting staff, of course.

With the NIL in place, this sounds like minor league professional football. Okay,

 

[18IsTheMan]

PR stunt by UNC to make them, hopefully to them, football relevant down the road.

Not sure it's a PR stunt, but I guess if you're UNC, what is there to lose? Belichick wants to things radically different from how they are currently done. It could be smashing success or could disastrous failure.

From their perspective, I guess it's worth the risk.

One things for sure, like Colorado last season, there will be tons of eyes on UNC next season.

 

[atl-cock]

I am kind of mixed on the separate coaching staff and recruiting staff. I am not sure how these HS kids are going to like not working with the coach that brings them in. Seems like that is a huge deal for a lot of these kids, getting to know the coach they will work with on the football field while being recruited.

Good point.

 

[18IsTheMan]

With the NIL in place, this sounds like minor league professional football. Okay,

That's the direction college football is heading anyway, rapidly. And in many way, is already there. Belichick just wants to go all-in on it.

 

[atl-cock]

That was my initial thought, but the way college football is trending, I think those relationships are less important and it's more about NIL. I am sure recruits will meet the coach when they come in, but it doesn't sound like Belichick would be hitting the trail much, or at all. I think it just hastens along the transition to the professional model that CFB is making.

If nothing else, IMO it's Belichick showing that he has few skills in recruiting and wants to "outsource it." Understandable, since the closest thing to recruiting in the NFL is the draft and player trades.

 

[atl-cock]

That's the direction college football is heading anyway, rapidly. And in many way, is already there. Belichick just wants to go all-in on it.

I wonder what impact this with have on non-FBS divisions?........

 

[18IsTheMan]

If nothing else, IMO it's Belichick showing that he has few skills in recruiting and wants to "outsource it." Understandable, since the closest thing to recruiting in the NFL is the draft and player trades.

Well, that was the glaring red flag up front. How is a 72 year old who has never recruited a day in his life going to suddenly going to jump into the breakneck world of high school recruiting?

The answer is: he won't. This will be one of the keys to how the whole thing works. Will it matter if Belichick is doing the recruiting himself or if someone is recruiting you to play for the 8-time SB winner? If he can promise a pipeline to the NFL, maybe it won't matter if he's the guy in the living room.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I wonder what impact this with have on non-FBS divisions?........

I would imagine they would continue to operate the normal way. One thing Belichick's method will require is money. Lots of it.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

UNC BOT set to meet today to approve his hiring.

If he executes his plan of making UNC basically a minor league NFL franchise, this could be a fascinating case study. If it works and UNC becomes a strong football program, obviously everyone will copy it.

I guess if you're UNC, what do you have to lose? This is the kind of thing I think will either be a total disaster or produce amazing results.

If successful, it could radically change how college programs are managed.

Agree. It will be very interesting and sounds like an idea/model created in one of those holier-than-thou UNC case study laboratories.
If UNC becomes a ''minor league NFL franchise'' not only will they potentially attract big-time recruits, but they will become the ''target win'' for teams loaded with other big-time recruits looking to make a name for themselves. But the ACC could be a shield against that type of competition.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

He's a dirty old man.

 

[92Pony]

PR stunt by UNC to make them, hopefully to them, football relevant down the road.

The PR part is in full swing so far: it’s been news on Foxnews and The Today Show this morning. I’m a little concerned that it’ll work out and propel UNcheat to success. But again, other than recruits, they generally aren’t a big rival of ours; and if they could suck a little wind out of the orange sails, that’d be a good thing.
It’ll be interesting for sure!! If it fails, it’ll be Hindenburg-esque !

 

[18IsTheMan]

The PR part is in full swing so far: it’s been news on Foxnews and The Today Show this morning. I’m a little concerned that it’ll work out and propel UNcheat to success. But again, other than recruits, they generally aren’t a big rival of ours; and if they could suck a little wind out of the orange sails, that’d be a good thing.
It’ll be interesting for sure!! If it fails, it’ll be Hindenburg-esque !

I mean, look at the absolute frenzy it caused when Deion went to Colorado. And he'd been out of the league for 2 decades.

Granted, Belichick doesn't have the cool factor that Deion does with street cred and all that in the black community (just speaking frankly here, because it's a factor). But what he does have is 8 Super Bowl rings, 6 as a head coach.

If you're a parent who thinks your kid is NFL-caliber what better coach for him to play for?