Belichick to UNC heats up SEC expansion talk

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I don’t but it. It’s apparent there is no way out of the GOR so I don’t see it happening until 2031 when the next round of negotiations happen.
 
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Ok by me. I see no reason to hold onto the notion of "the way things were" in the good old days.

"They" have utterly destroyed college football - and that was their goal all along. "They" won. It's tragic but yet another American institution was destroyed. As Spurrier says : It is what it is. Highest bidder wins. Refs are paid off. No integrity in it anymore. JMHO.
 

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I hear possibly UNC,Clemson,FSu to SEC brokered by ESPN and South Florida,Tulane and Memphis as replacements in ACC.Supposedly the three schools have already been contacted by the ACC to gauge their interest .
This is being reported by multiple sources but we’ve been down this road before so I’d be surprised if it comes to pass.
 

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Not sure who Randy is ,but similar reports by Josh Pate and several others.Who is Josh Pate you ask?A prominent YouTube college football podcaster which of course makes him a preeminent authority in all things CFB.
 

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I don’t but it. It’s apparent there is no way out of the GOR so I don’t see it happening until 2031 when the next round of negotiations happen.
I don't buy it either. If UNC asked I hope the SEC said
 

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No.

ESPN picked up the ACC option last week. Most expect that FSU and Clemson will now settle their lawsuits and move on. The GOR is obviously rock solid.
 

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I don't get a vote but I would never allow Clempson or Free Shoes in SEC. Tarnish the brand. (Would not mind ECU and UnCarolina)
 
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No.

ESPN picked up the ACC option last week. Most expect that FSU and Clemson will now settle their lawsuits and move on. The GOR is obviously rock solid.
What you are missing is that a). The media agreement terminated as has been stated repeatedly on 6/30/27. What is taking place is a NEGOTIATION that is ending up with a). A NEW media agreement that apparently will either end in 2030 or have "outs" for several teams at that time and b). A new compensation package that will include ADDITIONAL MONEY for essentially bonus payouts to the top VIEWERSHIP teams in the conference ... expected to be FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC. Expectations are that by 2030 as many as 6 teams will leave the ACC and will be backfilled by USF, Memphis and others, making the ACC then almost a mirror of the B12 ... a host of secondary brands. This is not a case of simply status quo.
 
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Doesn't matter what fans want. It's all about the money and those in control who have it. Kind of makes the average Joe sick of it all.
 
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I fully understand why some don't want Clemson in the SEC. I get it. BUT what happened with the playoff selections this past season should have opened some eyes here. We beat Clemson at their place. Yet, they get selected for the playoffs while we got shut out. We got relegated to a loser bowl (all bowls are now "loser" bowls for those not selected for the playoffs).

If Clemson is in the SEC, they no longer will have an easy road to the playoffs. Some may say, "Yes but they will get a 'pay raise'". To that I respond "So what, they will get no more money than us nor any other SEC team". Some may say that SEC membership will help their recruiting. To that I respond, "Clemson telling recruits come play for Clemson to get into the playoffs for a chance to play for the national championship" is way, way more enticing to recruits. Consequently, SEC membership for Clemson will be a net negative as far as their recruiting is concerned. That's especially true when their "won-loss" record looks a lot worse than in their ACC days.

Clemson in the SEC will relegate them to mediocrity compared to what they have been in the past decade. Look what has happened to Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M since they joined the SEC. Prior to coming into the SEC, Arkansas football had won 13 conference championships. Texas A&M football had won 18 conference championships prior to joining the SEC. Missouri football had won 15 conference championships prior to joining the SEC. Nebraska, prior to joining the Big 10 had won 46 conference championships. How many conference championships have those 4 programs combined for since joining one of the 2 most powerful conferences? ZERO. If Clemson comes into the SEC, they will be relegated to mediocrity.
 

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I fully understand why some don't want Clemson in the SEC. I get it. BUT what happened with the playoff selections this past season should have opened some eyes here. We beat Clemson at their place. Yet, they get selected for the playoffs while we got shut out. We got relegated to a loser bowl (all bowls are now "loser" bowls for those not selected for the playoffs).

If Clemson is in the SEC, they no longer will have an easy road to the playoffs. Some may say, "Yes but they will get a 'pay raise'". To that I respond "So what, they will get no more money than us nor any other SEC team". Some may say that SEC membership will help their recruiting. To that I respond, "Clemson telling recruits come play for Clemson to get into the playoffs for a chance to play for the national championship" is way, way more enticing to recruits. Consequently, SEC membership for Clemson will be a net negative as far as their recruiting is concerned. That's especially true when their "won-loss" record looks a lot worse than in their ACC days.

Clemson in the SEC will relegate them to mediocrity compared to what they have been in the past decade. Look what has happened to Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M since they joined the SEC. Prior to coming into the SEC, Arkansas football had won 13 conference championships. Texas A&M football had won 18 conference championships prior to joining the SEC. Missouri football had won 15 conference championships prior to joining the SEC. Nebraska, prior to joining the Big 10 had won 46 conference championships. How many conference championships have those 4 programs combined for since joining one of the 2 most powerful conferences? ZERO. If Clemson comes into the SEC, they will be relegated to mediocrity.
I'm only going to address the Clemson in the playoff part of your post. They got in the playoff because they won the ACC. Winning or losing to us had no bearing at all on their playoff appearance. We had 3 regular season losses and didn't even play for the SEC championship. There was NO WAY the committee was going to put a 3 loss team that didn't play in its conference championship game in the playoff. People need to get off of the "Carolina should have been in the playoff" horse because it's dead.
 

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I'm only going to address the Clemson in the playoff part of your post. They got in the playoff because they won the ACC. Winning or losing to us had no bearing at all on their playoff appearance. We had 3 regular season losses and didn't even play for the SEC championship. There was NO WAY the committee was going to put a 3 loss team that didn't play in its conference championship game in the playoff. People need to get off of the "Carolina should have been in the playoff" horse because it's dead.
That's my point. Clemson has a much easier path into the playoffs than we do. Put Clemson into the SEC , then their path into the playoffs becomes much more difficult. Do you disagree?
 

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I’m interested to see how the renegotiations ended. Will be interesting if the Acc gives the disgruntled teams the chance to bail while everyone else renews, in 2030 that is.
 
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I’m interested to see how the renegotiations ended. Will be interesting if the Acc gives the disgruntled teams the chance to bail while everyone else renews, in 2030 that is.
The chance to leave will be available with much less financial penalty.
 

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F**k the Tarholes! After the way they and the rest of the Tobacco Road trash treated us when we were in the ACC, I hope they all go down with the ship!
 

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F**k the Tarholes! After the way they and the rest of the Tobacco Road trash treated us when we were in the ACC, I hope they all go down with the ship!
THey treated us poorly, but we were not guilt free.
 

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Right I know that’s the talk. Basically a set penalty. You pay this and you’re out. Right now no one even knows what that amount is.
That is because the exact numbers are still under negotiation, however the revenue share, based on viewership will will be substantially more than the current yearly payout, and the financial penalty for an exit will be much less. (if the exit occurs during the renewal window of the existing broadcast contracts of the other conferences).
That in all likelihood will begin and cement the expansion of the SEC and B1G.
 
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That's my point. Clemson has a much easier path into the playoffs than we do. Put Clemson into the SEC , then their path into the playoffs becomes much more difficult. Do you disagree?
I definitely agree with that. My issue is with gamecock fans that keep on beating the "we should have been in the playoff" horse. We should not have been in the playoff. Any team that was in the playoff would have destroyed us this year. We had a very good year compared to what was expected but we weren't some juggernaut of a team. Clemson was the best team we beat and they had to back into the ACC championship game. Sellers came around late in the season but it remains to be seen if his success carries over to next season when DCs will be game planning for his running game.

I think next season is setting up to be a disappointment. Carolina will probably start the season in the top 15 but we lost a LOT of players from this seasons team.
 

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What you are missing is that a). The media agreement terminated as has been stated repeatedly on 6/30/27. What is taking place is a NEGOTIATION that is ending up with a). A NEW media agreement that apparently will either end in 2030 or have "outs" for several teams at that time and b). A new compensation package that will include ADDITIONAL MONEY for essentially bonus payouts to the top VIEWERSHIP teams in the conference ... expected to be FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC. Expectations are that by 2030 as many as 6 teams will leave the ACC and will be backfilled by USF, Memphis and others, making the ACC then almost a mirror of the B12 ... a host of secondary brands. This is not a case of simply status quo.
FSU folks are already walking back their threats/desire to leave the conference: https://frontofficesports.com/fsu-acc-lawsuit-grant-of-rights/

Tallahassee folks have conceded that ESPN picking up the option opens the door for negotiations. Indeed, settlement talks are already underway: https://sports.yahoo.com/acc-espn-reportedly-agree-extend-173813327.html


All signs point towards a settlement between FSU/Clemson and the ACC. A protracted legal battle isn't ultimately beneficial, and this thing would drag on for YEARS. Shoot, FSU sued the ACC in December 2023 and basically no progress has been made since then. The ACC doesn't want to lose their biggest brands and the schools don't want to waste money on endless litigation that may ultimately prove to be fruitless. There will be a settlement and both schools will remain in the ACC.
 
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FSU folks are already walking back their threats/desire to leave the conference: https://frontofficesports.com/fsu-acc-lawsuit-grant-of-rights/

Tallahassee folks have conceded that ESPN picking up the option opens the door for negotiations. Indeed, settlement talks are already underway: https://sports.yahoo.com/acc-espn-reportedly-agree-extend-173813327.html


All signs point towards a settlement between FSU/Clemson and the ACC. A protracted legal battle isn't ultimately beneficial, and this thing would drag on for YEARS. Shoot, FSU sued the ACC in December 2023 and basically no progress has been made since then. The ACC doesn't want to lose their biggest brands and the schools don't want to waste money on endless litigation that may ultimately prove to be fruitless. There will be a settlement and both schools will remain in the ACC.
IMO, the problem with uneven monetary distribution is that it makes it even tougher for those on bottom to climb up. Notwithstanding any specific school or conference.

Where would we fall were the SEC to adopt such a model?
 

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FSU folks are already walking back their threats/desire to leave the conference: https://frontofficesports.com/fsu-acc-lawsuit-grant-of-rights/

Tallahassee folks have conceded that ESPN picking up the option opens the door for negotiations. Indeed, settlement talks are already underway: https://sports.yahoo.com/acc-espn-reportedly-agree-extend-173813327.html


All signs point towards a settlement between FSU/Clemson and the ACC. A protracted legal battle isn't ultimately beneficial, and this thing would drag on for YEARS. Shoot, FSU sued the ACC in December 2023 and basically no progress has been made since then. The ACC doesn't want to lose their biggest brands and the schools don't want to waste money on endless litigation that may ultimately prove to be fruitless. There will be a settlement and both schools will remain in the ACC.
The main thrust of the legal challenges was for more revenue, the exit of the ACC was the vehicle for that objective, not necessarily the objective itself.
Remaining in the ACC as is being negotiated is not for all perpetually but as I stated earlier up until the new contract ends in 2030, and vehicles for an out are in place.
Essentially FSU, Clemson, and (the silent partner) Miami, accomplished the goal of reworking the contract to bring more financial rewards for their institutions (which was the main goal)
 

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IMO, the problem with uneven monetary distribution is that it makes it even tougher for those on bottom to climb up. Notwithstanding any specific school or conference.

Where would we fall were the SEC to adopt such a model?
Back to the ACC
 

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I definitely agree with that. My issue is with gamecock fans that keep on beating the "we should have been in the playoff" horse. We should not have been in the playoff. Any team that was in the playoff would have destroyed us this year. We had a very good year compared to what was expected but we weren't some juggernaut of a team. Clemson was the best team we beat and they had to back into the ACC championship game. Sellers came around late in the season but it remains to be seen if his success carries over to next season when DCs will be game planning for his running game.

I think next season is setting up to be a disappointment. Carolina will probably start the season in the top 15 but we lost a LOT of players from this seasons team.
We should be better offensively IF we have a running game. We did lose a lot of players defensively. What MIGHT save us is that Clayton White is a good Defensive Coordinator. But I agree with you that next season is setting up to be a disappointment.