Best comparision I've seen on Williams and Stansbury...

[Coach34]

from statsheet.com

Richard Williams in close games- (6 points or less)- 64-45

Rick Stansbury in close games- (6 points or less)- 47-51

 

[markymark.sixpack]

says a lot. LOL. Wow..that is amazing!!! RW is 60% and RS is 50%. Truly amazing, my eyes are opened! You have really outdone yourself this time you 17ing moron. So RW was a slightly better floor coach than RS...NOBODY thought that before this enlightening post.

 

[Coach34]

i'm going to have fun with you this season

 

[markymark.sixpack]

My favorite is how once you're proven wrong (or stupid) you disappear from threads.

 

[ckDOG]

I don't care how anyone wants to spin the Stans vs. Williams stats, it's going to boil down to the fact that Stans is a better regular season coach. There is no argument. We have won more with Stansbury vs Williams in this regard. But, you can stop saying nice things about him until you start talking post-season. Williams has him beat. I'll trade the 3 extra NCAATs that Stansbury put us in for the Final 4 and Sweet 16 trips any day of the week.

 

[Coach34]

you have proven anything wrong I've said all day? Wtf?

 

[Coach34]

When you measure coaches success, you look at:

Success vs top 25 teams? Stansbury is 17-44
Success vs Top 50? Stansbury is 51-82
Success in close games? Stansbury is under .500
Tournament success? Stansbury cant get out of the 2nd round

Stansbury doesnt win against good teams, and doesnt win half of his close games

 

[smootness]

Coach34, why do you keep posting this crap? Everybody knows how you feel about Stans. Starting 6 topics a day re-telling us that doesn't do a bit of good.

 

[ckDOG]

If Stans career had ended after last season, his legacy would have been "great SEC performance". Williams' legacy is obviously "guy that got us to the Final 4". If you want to make a case for Williams based on the total package, that's fine. But lets not act as if Stans was clearly worse than Richard Williams in all regards and use the close game stat to back that up.

Here's my best pro-Stans argument -

Stans Regular Season Accomplishments through 12 seasons:

4 Western Division Championships ('03, '04, '07, '08)*
1 SEC Championship ('04)

Williams Regular Season Accomplishments through 12 seasons:

3 Western Division Championships ('91, '95, '96)*
1 SEC Championship ('91)

*I credited Williams a '91 Western Division Championship. I don't believe we went to divisions until the year after, but we can assume the Western Division title would have been won if there had been. All previous SEC records by Williams sucked *** - no divisions would have been won.

Combine this with Williams' conference record of 93-124 (0.429) and Stansbury's conference record of 105-88 (0.544) and you have a pretty good case saying Stans was the better regular season coach.

I agree. Stans is awful at winning when it most counts. The postseason results prove that. But, I still think he deserves credit for what he is good at.

 

[squirldawg]

was on probation. Richard Williams didn't have a literal SEC Title in my opinion, when comparing against Stansbury.

 

[ckDOG]

I was a wee lad and Ole Miss fan in 1991. Forgive me for not realizing there should have been an * next to that one. That explains why I was a little surprised when I found that in the record book.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Kentucky was 14-4 but still on probation from the Eddie Sutton mess. Us & LSU were both 13-5. Alabama was 12-6 and won the tourney. We lost to UT in the SEC tournament quarterfinal, who went 9-20 (3-15) in the regular season.

 

[patdog]

Williams record after he won the SEC title in 1991 (this removes the disadvantage he had of taking over a train wreck of a program): 121-89 (.576)

Stans record: 243-130 (.651)