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<blockquote data-quote="Volatility_rivals135605" data-source="post: 131867437" data-attributes="member: 1476288"><p>If Brown inherited a typical/average WVU roster with a few developed QB's on the roster, and not one of if not thee worst WVU roster in the 21 century from a talent & experience perspective, the starting point matters.</p><p></p><p>If Brown inherited a 7-8 win roster, my expectations for this season would be much higher. My expectations are based on:</p><p></p><p>1. The team he inherited</p><p>2. The holes on roster in critical positions</p><p>3. The amount of time to resolve those talent & experience holes</p><p>4. How that lack of talent & experience places significant limitations on offensive prowess, creativity, concepts, schemes, etc which all vastly multiply limitations & predictability.</p><p>5. 2017 was DH's worst recruiting year, which makes sense to not see massive improvement this year as the worst class are Seniors. Which is a big deal, as WVU is and has always been a developmental program that heavily relies on upperclassmen to compete at higher levels.</p><p>6. The level of youth that are heavily relied on. While Zach & Wyatt may be great players in time with high upside, in NO WAY should they be starting right now as Freshmen on the OL... Our OL should be Seniors & Juniors, with 2nd string being Soph & Fresh... NEVER in WVU history has WVU been good while playing mostly Fresh & Soph....</p><p></p><p>Im not a fan of hiring & firing coaches after 2-4 years because history shows, even under far superior conditions, it takes 5 years before significant progress is shown. That makes sense when you look at the time it takes to slowly improve overall team talent, depth, & experience with each passing recruiting class, and how long it takes those classes before they offer peak output. </p><p></p><p>I just think considering how NB is recruiting and what little he had+has to work with, he should be given enough time to coach a team of his making before we make serious decisions about looking elsewhere. NB is recruiting at a level never before seen at WVU, and hes doing it without showing much progress yet on the field. Imagine how much better he'll be able to recruit when results start to show. The end of next season will be critical for him to not lose momentum, and the 5th year will determine if we continue with NB as our HC.</p><p></p><p>You cant place everything on Brown. 2.8 years is not enough time, players are ultimately responsible for what happens on the field, thats why recruiting is so valuable and hes showing he can certainly bring enough talent to WVU to achieve realistic expectations, if provided enough time for them to mature, develop, & offer impactful results. There are hundreds of variables to consider when looking at a coaches quality within a specific & limited timeframe. </p><p></p><p>All Im saying is lets see what he can do with a team he recruited before we make a decision. If we continue to see the same or similar results Ill be the first to say lets move on.. Its a pretty simple & logical perspective.</p><p></p><p>Lyons & Brown know 1000% more then we do about the state of affairs when he was hired, but if you look at that 2019 roster, it was pretty pathetic, and I think the extension is due to Browns ability to build a program, a culture, his recruiting, his success last year with an inferior roster, and frankly we would not even be having this conversation if Doege doesnt make a few incredibly stupid decisions/mistakes...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Volatility_rivals135605, post: 131867437, member: 1476288"] If Brown inherited a typical/average WVU roster with a few developed QB's on the roster, and not one of if not thee worst WVU roster in the 21 century from a talent & experience perspective, the starting point matters. If Brown inherited a 7-8 win roster, my expectations for this season would be much higher. My expectations are based on: 1. The team he inherited 2. The holes on roster in critical positions 3. The amount of time to resolve those talent & experience holes 4. How that lack of talent & experience places significant limitations on offensive prowess, creativity, concepts, schemes, etc which all vastly multiply limitations & predictability. 5. 2017 was DH's worst recruiting year, which makes sense to not see massive improvement this year as the worst class are Seniors. Which is a big deal, as WVU is and has always been a developmental program that heavily relies on upperclassmen to compete at higher levels. 6. The level of youth that are heavily relied on. While Zach & Wyatt may be great players in time with high upside, in NO WAY should they be starting right now as Freshmen on the OL... Our OL should be Seniors & Juniors, with 2nd string being Soph & Fresh... NEVER in WVU history has WVU been good while playing mostly Fresh & Soph.... Im not a fan of hiring & firing coaches after 2-4 years because history shows, even under far superior conditions, it takes 5 years before significant progress is shown. That makes sense when you look at the time it takes to slowly improve overall team talent, depth, & experience with each passing recruiting class, and how long it takes those classes before they offer peak output. I just think considering how NB is recruiting and what little he had+has to work with, he should be given enough time to coach a team of his making before we make serious decisions about looking elsewhere. NB is recruiting at a level never before seen at WVU, and hes doing it without showing much progress yet on the field. Imagine how much better he'll be able to recruit when results start to show. The end of next season will be critical for him to not lose momentum, and the 5th year will determine if we continue with NB as our HC. You cant place everything on Brown. 2.8 years is not enough time, players are ultimately responsible for what happens on the field, thats why recruiting is so valuable and hes showing he can certainly bring enough talent to WVU to achieve realistic expectations, if provided enough time for them to mature, develop, & offer impactful results. There are hundreds of variables to consider when looking at a coaches quality within a specific & limited timeframe. All Im saying is lets see what he can do with a team he recruited before we make a decision. If we continue to see the same or similar results Ill be the first to say lets move on.. Its a pretty simple & logical perspective. Lyons & Brown know 1000% more then we do about the state of affairs when he was hired, but if you look at that 2019 roster, it was pretty pathetic, and I think the extension is due to Browns ability to build a program, a culture, his recruiting, his success last year with an inferior roster, and frankly we would not even be having this conversation if Doege doesnt make a few incredibly stupid decisions/mistakes... [/QUOTE]
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