Big 12 expansion. Look to Pitt

[Va eer]

For eastern partner Pitt is one available option if they can be swayed. Perceived history. Market name Brand. Forget petty hatters. Also Bb brand is good then get BYU But DONT DILUTE LEAGUE with Cincy or any other weak sister
In fact to ad Va Tech and Pitt couldn't be a package. Even if BIG 12 had to compensate ACC

 

[bleedbluegold3]

Pitt would dilute the league. Pitt is a weak slutty sister

 

[LowFatMilk]

If VT went anywhere it would be the SEC.

The only conference that would want PITT is the ACC.....because they only (currently) have value in basketball.

With the GOR in place the Big 12 would need to take a team outside the power 5 or wait until they expire. ....and you can expect conferences to extend them at least a year before that happens. Why ? It's a great way to know early if teams are thinking about bolting.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

For eastern partner Pitt is one available option if they can be swayed. Perceived history. Market name Brand. Forget petty hatters. Also Bb brand is good then get BYU But DONT DILUTE LEAGUE with Cincy or any other weak sister
In fact to ad Va Tech and Pitt couldn't be a package. Even if BIG 12 had to compensate ACC

Cincy is better that where VT was 25 years ago. Cincy is a better program for FB than ISU, Kansas and possibly TT and better than where Baylor was 5 years ago.

 

[Buckaineer]

Pitt is locked into a grant of rights through 2027--two years after the BIG12s current tv contracts expire.

 

[doneagain]

For eastern partner Pitt is one available option if they can be swayed. Perceived history. Market name Brand. Forget petty hatters. Also Bb brand is good then get BYU But DONT DILUTE LEAGUE with Cincy or any other weak sister
In fact to ad Va Tech and Pitt couldn't be a package. Even if BIG 12 had to compensate ACC

There will be no teams from other power five conferences brought into the B12.

Every other league offers more long term stability than the Big 12.

The Big 12 can't get on the same page right now about what they want to do. Why would any other program want to leave their leagues to become a part of this uncertainty?

None of the other leagues are being forced into expansion due to perceived weakness. Only the Big 12.

And why? Uncertainty, vulnerability, lack of conference-wide equality, etc...

The Big 12 should expand, but it will not have the option of taking a power 5 team.

The sooner everyone gets used to the idea of a B12 including the likes of BYU, UCF, ECU and Cincinnati, the easier it will be to digest when it finally happens.

 

[Cheers]

It's amazing what one perceived snub of the FIRST playoff has done to the Big 12. Talk about an overreaction. We were two games away from having two teams in the playoff yet it is driving OU and possibly others to start looking around. It has got to be something more like intense GREED for a few dollars more. Some are always looking for greener pastures no matter what the circumstances.

 

[hbeacheer]

Cincy is better that where VT was 25 years ago. Cincy is a better program for FB than ISU, Kansas and possibly TT and better than where Baylor was 5 years ago.

Cincy may be better than Kansas right now in football but isn't worth adding. They are a mid major and belong in conference USA. Watering down the big 12 with cincy or Memphis will not solve the big 12 problems.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

It's amazing what one perceived snub of the FIRST playoff has done to the Big 12. Talk about an overreaction. We were two games away from having two teams in the playoff yet it is driving OU and possibly others to start looking around. It has got to be something more like intense GREED for a few dollars more. Some are always looking for greener pastures no matter what the circumstances.

No one is looking around and expansion isn't going to happen anytime soon. The Big 12 is the smallest conference so some people think that more teams will make it better. IMO the ACC is by far the most unstable conference with both the SEC and Big10 wanting to expand into Virginia and North Carolina.

The Big 12 has a lucrative TV contract for the next 10+ years. WVU gets to play great programs all season long (no more 2 game seasons like in the Big East ). The conference has a great bowl schedule with a tie in to the Sugar Bowl. The stadiums are some of the best in the country and fan support is fantastic. Almost every game is on TV. There are no greener pastures.

 

[12375CAT]

BYU is fine for us but too far away for you (& for them) for a road game in conference play.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

It's amazing what one perceived snub of the FIRST playoff has done to the Big 12. Talk about an overreaction. We were two games away from having two teams in the playoff yet it is driving OU and possibly others to start looking around. It has got to be something more like intense GREED for a few dollars more. Some are always looking for greener pastures no matter what the circumstances.

Absolutely right. If Ohio State had won the Big 10 title game in an ugly contest, then TCU would have been in the national playoffs.

The Buckeyes lead a charmed life. In 2007 WVU would have beaten OSU for the national title, but the Pitt loss let the Buckeyes have an easier route. In 2002 Ohio State would not have won the national title if Cincinnati didn't drop TWO consecutive passes in the end zone that would have beaten the Buckeyes. Lightning struck twice for OSU and dumped a pot of gold in its lap.

If we are going to jump 10 miles sideways every year after the national playoff teams are selected, the Big 12 will never match the zig and zag of this thing.

There is ONE problem with the current playoff system: FIVE conferences, FOUR places at the table.

If Florida State falters, the ACC will be on the outside looking in in 2015, and then THEIR fans will be screaming for changes.

An 8-team playoff is inevitable. Everyone knows it. It's the elephant in the room. It's only a matter of time.

Then all 5 Power 5 conference champs get in, just as the 5 conferences made the BCS bowls, and there are 3 spots for consolation prizes.

And if the 3 non-champs don't come up with a winner, they can hardly complain about the P5 champ that does win it all.

 

[bluesjoc]

LOL TCU is mad

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

There is ONE problem with the current playoff system: FIVE conferences, FOUR places at the table.

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I don't see that as a problem - I see that as motivation no to be the one left out. And in some years it will be more than one.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

I don't see that as a problem - I see that as motivation no to be the one left out. And in some years it will be more than one.

That's not the way it will work, Woody. The screaming by the conference left out will force an expansion to 8 teams. Everyone knows it's coming. I know there's a 12-year contract for 4 teams, but that means little nowadays. If "more than one" conference is left out, then it really will hit the fan. If, for example, Notre Dame and BYU are chosen and (pick the 2 Power 5 Conferences) are not, an 8-team playoff will happen the next year. It's as inevitable as the sun rising every morning and setting every night. I know, it doesn't really; it's the earth rotating while the sun is the center of the universe, despite what the Popes said.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

It is not the athletic departments that are in charge of the playoffs. It is the Presidents. It took them a decade to convince that we needed the playoff(the old plus 1 of the BCS what we really have). It will take at least another decade to move to the next level. If the AD's had been in charge of the decision it would have been 8 right now. And please get rid of the bold red print. Blue would much more pleasing.

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

It is not the athletic departments that are in charge of the playoffs. It is the Presidents. It took them a decade to convince that we needed the playoff(the old plus 1 of the BCS what we really have). It will take at least another decade to move to the next level. If the AD's had been in charge of the decision it would have been 8 right now. And please get rid of the bold red print. Blue would much more pleasing.

He isn't getting rid of it because it gets him what he really wants which is attention. He claims its because he's 82. I don't care if he makes his type huge because he has bad eyes but black on white is easier to see and read than red. He does it to be a ***. Btw, he always has some snarky come back when I type in little small black, funny that he can read it, huh?

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

VA eer I'm with you all the way - go after pitt - and perhaps the Orange.