Big Game James

PSU8990

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A vast majority of these big game losses have similar fingerprints on them -- they play not to lose on offense rather than attempting to grab the game by the throat from the first possession. Could see it from the first set of plays tonight. Then when they get down 14 and have to go into desperation mode, the real offense finally shows up. Same thing happened in the Big Ten title game last year -- had to open it up because they were down big early. The OC tries to be too cute and has the arrogance to prove HIS plays are gonna work. Not against elite speed on defense they won't. It's just amazing to me that an offense with all of this experience and a 2nd year with the OC and they look hopelessly lost in run/pass blocking and WRs are so easy to cover.
Hear, hear!
 

MacNit

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Penn State is 4-21 against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams. No coach should survive that.

Beat Ohio State. It's no longer a narrative just reality
How will they possibly beat O$U? I would get very concerned about Indiana as that is last chance at playoffs. And must run the table.

Everyone in this program is happy with “played them close.” It’s now part of our DNA. That might have been ok in 2015. But that was a decade ago now.
 

MacNit

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I don't understand how Allen isn't RB1 yet and getting 20-25 touches with Singleton used in the slot
It’s the “everyone gets a trophy” approach of Franklin. Inexcusable.

Allen as a bell cow in this game might have yielded different results. The kid is flat out tough. If we had 22 kids like him, results would be different.

BTW, for the BWIFFB, that used to be PSU’s identity.
 
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KingLando

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How will they possibly beat O$U? I would get very concerned about Indiana as that is last chance at playoffs. And must run the table.

Everyone in this program is happy with “played them close.” It’s now part of our DNA. That might have been ok in 2015. But that was a decade ago now.
Ohio State's offense is Uber conservative. Going to take a turnover.
Not worried about Indiana. Franklin beats teams when he has the talent advantage. A bad Iowa team should have beat them.
I'm not happy at all. AK should have been fired this morning. If Franklin doesn't make that move then he needs to be but blaming OCs is even tired.
 

MacNit

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Franklin is a good man, a great ambassador for the university, and overall a top 10 CFB coach when factoring in all of the HC responsibilities. Say what you want about his contract negotiations over the years, but he used his leverage to force the administration to spend on facilities, coaches, etc.

After 11 years of running the program, the hallmarks of the PSU program are this: good to great defenses, no identity on offense, beating less talented teams with regularity and routinely getting beat in the trenches against top 5-10 opponents in painstaking close losses. Every year, it's the same thing. We hear about the strides the OL and QB have made in the offseason, only to watch the OL struggle to dominate against cupcake opponents in Weeks 1-3. Optimistic fans tell themselves there's nothing to worry about, as the OC is simply running vanilla plays in these games so the team can play 3d chess against the big boys. Regardless of how many OCs and position coaches we cycle through, the results remain the same. The senior versions of Allar/Clifford don't appear much better than the sophomore versions.

This year, Franklin has everything he needs to compete for a national championship. Two of the highest paid coordinators in football. NIL money flowing for the retention of players. An experienced QB, OL, defensive front and backfield, with the LB group being the weak link on paper. The greatest environment in the history of college football, according to Franklin himself. Preseason hype about this being the best team in the country.

What happens against an Oregon squad starting a 1st year Sophomore QB and replacing 9 starters to the NFL? Complete ineptitude on offense for 3 quarters. Fans booing and chanting "Fire Franklin." Ohio State expects to win games like these. PSU has to rely on "lucky breaks," to which we haven't had any of those lucky breaks since 2016. 10-2 with losses to Oregon and Ohio State and no BT title game is a failure on all metrics unless the team runs the table in the playoffs.

At this point, I'm of the mindset that I'm ambivalent about whether or not Franklin stays or goes. It could end up worse for PSU - Riley, Swinney, Kelly, Norvell, Venables aren't exactly lighting the CFB world on fire. But I have little confidence moving forward that Franklin can actually coach and develop players to a level needed to win big games and truly compete for a NC.
This. And don’t sleep on Indiana.
 

LB99

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Franklin is a good man and a coach who works hard and tries to win the right way. We all want him to be successful here first.

But that national narrative is why he won’t leave Penn State for a very long time. The Floridas, LSUs and Bamas of the world are not going to hire a coach with that kind of big game baggage. 4-21 vs top ten teams gets you fired down South or at USC.

And those are the only programs with the means and resources to get James to leave PSU.
Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly say hello.
 
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Our team is like the old Clemson teams pre Dabo. It’s why “Clemsoning” became a verb. It stands for a program that flatters to deceive, but when a big game comes, it predictably falls flat.

Coming to terms with this fact over the last decade or so has allowed my stress levels not to get too high.

Go Birds!
 

JohnJumba

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It’s the “everyone gets a trophy” approach of Franklin. Inexcusable.

Allen as a bell cow in this game might have yielded different results. The kid is flat out tough. If we had 22 kids like him, results would be different.

BTW, for the BWIFFB, that used to be PSU’s identity.

E-e-ee-e-ee-ee-e-e !
 

psuno1

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Same old same old with Big Game " I don't think we should have to Play OSU and UM in the same season" James Franklin. Loser mentality- you see the results on the field.
 
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Ram20

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For all those worried about us sliding into obscurity post Franklin(whenever the Hell that is), wonder if there are any other Dan Lannings out there. Love his motivation, preparedness....I think like a lot here I'm over James and willing to risk recruits and a few down years to build something new. Franklin has been wonderful for the program, ive rooted hard for him to succeed, but its empirical he cant get to the mountain top. Its not just the big games, its the bye week preparation, the regression of his QBs, the sub par offensive line play. Its just not gonna happen unfortunately. I hope he and the University can come to some agreement that dignifies both sides, he deserves that.
 

SouthHalls410

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So here is my take and I’m just an alum, teacher, mom, and coach of youth basketball….
* I don’t see leadership on offense consistently
* Why do we not adapt the offense to our given talent
* Why do so many players like Allar start their careers by lighting it up and then become shadows of themselves
* what has happened to Singleton
*Why is Allen not RB 1 and the younger rbs not playing
*NIL is what it is and now players better be executing- maybe legit contracts need to be signed
* One and done as far as transferring… this portal jumping is nuts
* it seems like these coaches “fall in love” w certain players and that is who plays no matter what
I’m getting fed up with hyped up mediocre playing against the elite. My kids and money are going to PSU…
 

Midnighter

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For all those worried about us sliding into obscurity post Franklin(whenever the Hell that is), wonder if there are any other Dan Lannings out there. Love his motivation, preparedness....I think like a lot here I'm over James and willing to risk recruits and a few down years to build something new. Franklin has been wonderful for the program, ive rooted hard for him to succeed, but it’s empirical he cant get to the mountain top. It’s not just the big games, it’s the bye week preparation, the regression of his QBs, the sub par offensive line play. It’s just not gonna happen unfortunately. I hope he and the University can come to some agreement that dignifies both sides, he deserves that.

Lanning was a paper DC at Georgia for a hot minute (3 seasons) before getting the HC job at Oregon. If people want to know ‘Who else is out there that could do better than Franklin?’ - and that is the most popular mantra of theirs - literally anyone could be the guy. You don’t know until you try. For many, better to live on your knees than maybe die trying.
 

MacNit

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For all those worried about us sliding into obscurity post Franklin(whenever the Hell that is), wonder if there are any other Dan Lannings out there. Love his motivation, preparedness....I think like a lot here I'm over James and willing to risk recruits and a few down years to build something new. Franklin has been wonderful for the program, ive rooted hard for him to succeed, but its empirical he cant get to the mountain top. Its not just the big games, its the bye week preparation, the regression of his QBs, the sub par offensive line play. Its just not gonna happen unfortunately. I hope he and the University can come to some agreement that dignifies both sides, he deserves that.
Agree 110%
 
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Midnighter

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I think Franklin and Penn State would both benefit from a change. Think Andy Reid and the Eagles.

The problem is the awful contract extension by Barbour means they’re stuck together.

Seven more years! Right?!

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Ram20

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Lanning was a paper DC at Georgia for a hot minute (3 seasons) before getting the HC job at Oregon. If people want to know ‘Who else is out there that could do better than Franklin?’ - and that is the most popular mantra of theirs - literally anyone could be the guy. You don’t know until you try. For many, better to live on your knees than maybe die trying.
Well said.
 

WestSideLion

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Penn State is 4-21 against AP top-10 opponents, including 1-18 against top-10 Big Ten teams. No coach should survive that.

Beat Ohio State. It's no longer a narrative just reality
Penn State was forced to give Franklin this type of leeway. Sandy’s 10-year contract guaranteed it.

That contract and the crippling financial implications are the reason this has gone on so long. And it will continue for at least a few more years.
 
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WaffleShopper

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A vast majority of these big game losses have similar fingerprints on them -- they play not to lose on offense rather than attempting to grab the game by the throat from the first possession. Could see it from the first set of plays tonight. Then when they get down 14 and have to go into desperation mode, the real offense finally shows up. Same thing happened in the Big Ten title game last year -- had to open it up because they were down big early. The OC tries to be too cute and has the arrogance to prove HIS plays are gonna work. Not against elite speed on defense they won't. It's just amazing to me that an offense with all of this experience and a 2nd year with the OC and they look hopelessly lost in run/pass blocking and WRs are so easy to cover.
This is the James G. Franklin effect and it’s infuriating. Instead of imposing our will on the other team offensively we call plays as though we’re completely overmatched athletically and need 60 minutes of cute little gadget plays to have a chance. Like you said, it starts on the first drive and it happens every big game. Even when we are favored like yesterday our offense plays like we’re 3 TD underdogs. Don’t know if it’s mental weakness or fear or whatever, but our head coach, OC, and QB all seem to have that same sickness. Previous OC’s have had it so there’s only one common denominator.
 
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KingLando

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Penn State was forced to give Franklin this type of leeway. Sandy’s 10-year contract guaranteed it.

That contract and the crippling financial implications are the reason this has gone on so long. And it will continue for at least a few more years.
It shouldn't be crippling. Other schools have paid large(r) buyouts and have been fine. The amount of money the football program brings in should enable them to move on. Not defending Sandy's dumb decision but money isn't the reason IMO
 

sdwcpa

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I am surprised that no one has mentioned Matt Campbell of Iowa State. He is the almost Bill Snyder like in doing more with less. I would love to see what he could do with PSU facilities and NIL budget.
 

JohnJumba

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Penn State was forced to give Franklin this type of leeway. Sandy’s 10-year contract guaranteed it.

That contract and the crippling financial implications are the reason this has gone on so long. And it will continue for at least a few more years.

King Loado is nothing more than a board polluter . That's why he's on ignore.
 
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BobPSU92

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“Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research.”

Jesus.
 
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LionsAndBears

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For all those complaining about Franklin, I ask 2 things. Does he lose to teams with less talent or more talent and if it's more, are you doing your part in contributing enough to get better talent in this NIL era?

It's easy to point outwards. IMO, Franklin is doing everything he can within the limitations of this program. If you want to remove those limitations, give more. If you don't want to give more, then shut up!
 

Alphalion75

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For all those complaining about Franklin, I ask 2 things. Does he lose to teams with less talent or more talent and if it's more, are you doing your part in contributing enough to get better talent in this NIL era?

It's easy to point outwards. IMO, Franklin is doing everything he can within the limitations of this program. If you want to remove those limitations, give more. If you don't want to give more, then shut up!
How much do you consider is a fair contribution?
 

LionsAndBears

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How much do you consider is a fair contribution?

Good question. Maybe the program should put out giving guidelines and how much they need in order to compete?

If I was PSU and the NLC, I'd raise the giving levels to whatever figure they deem necessary to compete with OSU, UO, UGA, etc. The giving levels should match the expectations.
 

BobPSU92

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For all those complaining about Franklin, I ask 2 things. Does he lose to teams with less talent or more talent and if it's more, are you doing your part in contributing enough to get better talent in this NIL era?

It's easy to point outwards. IMO, Franklin is doing everything he can within the limitations of this program. If you want to remove those limitations, give more. If you don't want to give more, then shut up!

I suspect it’s more than NIL. o_O cash money. Look at how bad PSU’s offense was in the 1st half. Allar threw for 69 yards. He missed throws, he threw off his back foot. You have to come out of the gate ready and executing against a team like oregon. PSU didn’t. It isn’t the first time.
 

LB99

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Our team is like the old Clemson teams pre Dabo. It’s why “Clemsoning” became a verb. It stands for a program that flatters to deceive, but when a big game comes, it predictably falls flat.

Coming to terms with this fact over the last decade or so has allowed my stress levels not to get too high.

Go Birds!
Clemson wasn’t Clemson without Watson and Lawrence. Notice they are back to the norm without them. Dabo isn’t looking so hot now.
 
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