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Best defense coordinator in the nation. 350 yards. Best offense coordinator. 109 yards. 5 star qb with zero confidence. Nothing. Tonight makes it official, if it wasn't already.
Head Coach: Best job security imaginable. Currently he cannot be held responsible for team performance so what's his incentive to get better as a coach?
 

LionsAndBears

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I suspect it’s more than NIL. o_O cash money. Look at how bad PSU’s offense was in the 1st half. Allar threw for 69 yards. He missed throws, he threw off his back foot. You have to come out of the gate ready and executing against a team like oregon. PSU didn’t. It isn’t the first time.

If Franklin wins against teams with less talent and loses against teams with more talent, doesn't it stand to reason that if we give him the tools to get more talent so we are at least on par with the teams we've lost to, he will start winning those games?

Anyone who follows recruiting in the NIL era knows what it will take to win a championship. Are we willing to give at a championship level, so Franklin can win these marquee games?

We have 96k season ticket holders. A mere $100 increase would generate an extra $9.6 mil a year. You can get a few 5*s with that kind of money.
 
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leinbacker

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Maybe I’m making too much out of this, but Franklin often says in pre-game interviews (on the field) that he has “a ton of respect” for the opposing coach and team. Does he coach scared and without a killer instinct? Does he coach concerned? Do the players pick up on that? They’re still kids and are easily influenced.

By contrast, lanning pre-game said that he loved the whiteout environment and fed off of it. Then he talked about his team. He exuded confidence.


Maybe we should make our players stay at Altoona the night before the game.
 

Ram20

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If Franklin wins against teams with less talent and loses against teams with more talent, doesn't it stand to reason that if we give him the tools to get more talent so we are at least on par with the teams we've lost to, he will start winning those games?

Anyone who follows recruiting in the NIL era knows what it will take to win a championship. Are we willing to give at a championship level, so Franklin can win these marquee games?

We have 96k season ticket holders. A mere $100 increase would generate an extra $9.6 mil a year. You can get a few 5*s with that kind of money.
Right, but we have a 5star QB currently being paid $3M that mostly sucks. Having talent is one of keys
 

Psu00

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How will they possibly beat O$U? I would get very concerned about Indiana as that is last chance at playoffs. And must run the table.

Everyone in this program is happy with “played them close.” It’s now part of our DNA. That might have been ok in 2015. But that was a decade ago now.

Pencil in Franklin’s yearly loss to Ohio St and games at Iowa, and against Indiana and Nebraska now become huge. Lose just 1 of those and they may be out of the playoff.
 

leinbacker

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If Franklin wins against teams with less talent and loses against teams with more talent, doesn't it stand to reason that if we give him the tools to get more talent so we are at least on par with the teams we've lost to, he will start winning those games?

Anyone who follows recruiting in the NIL era knows what it will take to win a championship. Are we willing to give at a championship level, so Franklin can win these marquee games?

We have 96k season ticket holders. A mere $100 increase would generate an extra $9.6 mil a year. You can get a few 5*s with that kind of money.

$100? why $200 and get a few more. Tell me, how has our 5* QB progressed in his four years under Franklin?
 

Psu00

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Our team is like the old Clemson teams pre Dabo. It’s why “Clemsoning” became a verb. It stands for a program that flatters to deceive, but when a big game comes, it predictably falls flat.

Coming to terms with this fact over the last decade or so has allowed my stress levels not to get too high.

Go Birds!

True. I forgot about ‘Clemsoning’ (although Dabo appears to be bringing that back recently).

Franklin is basically Penn State’s version of Mark Richt. Nice guy who generally wins games against lesser opponents but continually fails in big games. Both have the national reputation of not being able to get it done which becomes a recruiting issue. Georgia went through this for years as well until they fired Richt.
 
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If Franklin wins against teams with less talent and loses against teams with more talent, doesn't it stand to reason that if we give him the tools to get more talent so we are at least on par with the teams we've lost to, he will start winning those games?

Anyone who follows recruiting in the NIL era knows what it will take to win a championship. Are we willing to give at a championship level, so Franklin can win these marquee games?

We have 96k season ticket holders. A mere $100 increase would generate an extra $9.6 mil a year. You can get a few 5*s with that kind of money.

No. Because there are tons of upsets all the time in college football. And teams with a ton of talent don’t always win (see TAMU, Bama last year). No one thinks we should win everything - more than one would be nice in 11 years.
 

Psu00

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This is the James G. Franklin effect and it’s infuriating. Instead of imposing our will on the other team offensively we call plays as though we’re completely overmatched athletically and need 60 minutes of cute little gadget plays to have a chance. Like you said, it starts on the first drive and it happens every big game. Even when we are favored like yesterday our offense plays like we’re 3 TD underdogs. Don’t know if it’s mental weakness or fear or whatever, but our head coach, OC, and QB all seem to have that same sickness. Previous OC’s have had it so there’s only one common denominator.

You never see PSU come out in games and step on an opponent. They never have fire and go for the throat from opening kickoff. That’s all attitude and preparation and that comes from the coaches.

How many years have we been talking here of PSU giving away 2-3 quarters before they make adjustments and start to play? They generally turtle up until it’s late in the game and they’re behind before they start to adjust and open it up some.
 

KingLando

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For all those complaining about Franklin, I ask 2 things. Does he lose to teams with less talent or more talent and if it's more, are you doing your part in contributing enough to get better talent in this NIL era?

It's easy to point outwards. IMO, Franklin is doing everything he can within the limitations of this program. If you want to remove those limitations, give more. If you don't want to give more, then shut up!
Notre Dame didn't have more talent and he has plenty of resources
 

WaffleShopper

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You never see PSU come out in games and step on an opponent. They never have fire and go for the throat from opening kickoff. That’s all attitude and preparation and that comes from the coaches.

How many years have we been talking here of PSU giving away 2-3 quarters before they make adjustments and start to play? They generally turtle up until it’s late in the game and they’re behind before they start to adjust and open it up some.
“Second half team”
 

MacNit

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This is the James G. Franklin effect and it’s infuriating. Instead of imposing our will on the other team offensively we call plays as though we’re completely overmatched athletically and need 60 minutes of cute little gadget plays to have a chance. Like you said, it starts on the first drive and it happens every big game. Even when we are favored like yesterday our offense plays like we’re 3 TD underdogs. Don’t know if it’s mental weakness or fear or whatever, but our head coach, OC, and QB all seem to have that same sickness. Previous OC’s have had it so there’s only one common denominator.
Mental and physical softness.
 

MacNit

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For all those complaining about Franklin, I ask 2 things. Does he lose to teams with less talent or more talent and if it's more, are you doing your part in contributing enough to get better talent in this NIL era?

It's easy to point outwards. IMO, Franklin is doing everything he can within the limitations of this program. If you want to remove those limitations, give more. If you don't want to give more, then shut up!
How much more? Should I take out a home equity loan.

You can’t fix the worst big game record that started before NIL even existed.

Time to get a next level cosch . At least try. Losing every meaningful game is easy to replicate..
 
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Alphalion75

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Good question. Maybe the program should put out giving guidelines and how much they need in order to compete?

If I was PSU and the NLC, I'd raise the giving levels to whatever figure they deem necessary to compete with OSU, UO, UGA, etc. The giving levels should match the expectations.
Why don't you organize that.
 
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MacNit

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If Franklin wins against teams with less talent and loses against teams with more talent, doesn't it stand to reason that if we give him the tools to get more talent so we are at least on par with the teams we've lost to, he will start winning those games?

Anyone who follows recruiting in the NIL era knows what it will take to win a championship. Are we willing to give at a championship level, so Franklin can win these marquee games?

We have 96k season ticket holders. A mere $100 increase would generate an extra $9.6 mil a year. You can get a few 5*s with that kind of money.
He is given too much credit for that: losses to Indiana, Temple, Maryland (multiple times), Michigan State (multiple times),
 
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PSUHarry

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For all those worried about us sliding into obscurity post Franklin(whenever the Hell that is), wonder if there are any other Dan Lannings out there. Love his motivation, preparedness....I think like a lot here I'm over James and willing to risk recruits and a few down years to build something new. Franklin has been wonderful for the program, ive rooted hard for him to succeed, but its empirical he cant get to the mountain top. Its not just the big games, its the bye week preparation, the regression of his QBs, the sub par offensive line play. Its just not gonna happen unfortunately. I hope he and the University can come to some agreement that dignifies both sides, he deserves that.
Well there’s this thing which is a 56mill buyout. Talk to me about navigating that.
 

PSUHarry

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Penn State was forced to give Franklin this type of leeway. Sandy’s 10-year contract guaranteed it.

That contract and the crippling financial implications are the reason this has gone on so long. And it will continue for at least a few more years.
He’s here for at least 3 years unless he makes his own move. Thats based on the buyout numbers.
 
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Ram20

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Well there’s this thing which is a 56mill buyout. Talk to me about navigating that.
I left some room for that.....is it possible there could be an amicable buyout of sorts? It happens all the time, kraft says "james, we love you, we want you to get other jobs, just not here." We can do this one of 2 ways....we fire you unceremoniously and pay this buyout. If I can raise $700M for a stadium face-lift, I can buy you out or 2, we agree that if you dont beat OSU and lose to Indiana, you agree to step down and we pay you $20M. Your dignity intact, we begin to get a jump on our next candidate. Its really not impossible to fathom.
 
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BobPSU92

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Maybe we should make our players stay at Altoona the night before the game.

I stayed in Altoona the night before a customer meeting in August. The meeting was a SH|T. SHOW. o_O . I started slow and never recovered.

😞
 

PSUHarry

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I left some room for that.....is it possible there could be an amicable buyout of sorts? It happens all the time, kraft says "james, we love you, we want you to get other jobs, just not here." We can do this one of 2 ways....we fire you unceremoniously and pay this buyout. If I can raise $700M for a stadium face-lift, I can buy you out or 2, we agree that if you dont beat OSU and lose to Indiana, you agree to step down and we pay you $20M. Your dignity intact, we begin to get a jump on our next candidate. Its really not impossible to fathom.
Contracts matter though. Might be more difficult than your scenario. I think your scenario is feasible if James wants out and there are openings he’s interested in.
 

BobPSU92

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Isn’t it fair to assume that Franklin will be thrown some cash money after Saturday’s nearish win?
 
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Well there’s this thing which is a 56mill buyout. Talk to me about navigating that.

You missed my earlier post . For a place that pissed away hundreds of millions of dollars framing Joe, Spanier, Curly and on other foolish garbage, $56 million is chump change to the aholes running Penn State.
 
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You have no idea what my take on all this is, so please don't speak for me.
I’m going to take an educated guess. It’s more important to you Franklin properly represents your beloved state off the field more than his performance (it’s 4-21 (maths)) on the field.
I of course feel the opposite.
 

PSUHarry

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I’m going to take an educated guess. It’s more important to you Franklin properly represents your beloved state off the field more than his performance (it’s 4-21 (maths)) on the field.
I of course feel the opposite.
Nah not really. Thanks for your effort though.
 
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