Big Week Ahead for Seeding

615dawg

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Right now, Lunardi has us as a 7 seed. We are the third 7 seed.

A 7 seed wins 61.3% of the time against a 10 seed. A 10 seed is typically a Power Conference team that was on the bubble, or slightly higher than the bubble. We have been pretty decent against this level of team this year, but that loss to Oklahoma is out there.

A 6 seed wins 60.9% of the time against an 11 seed. The 6 seed is possibly matched up with one of the first four winners. The 11 seeds that are the First Four winners are 9-9 (.500) against 6 seeds. Four of those nine winners have made it to the second weekend and two of them made it to the Final Four.

I'm not sure there is much advantage to being a 6 over a 7 in the first round, but there is a decent advantage in the second round. 29 percent of 6 seeds have advanced to the second weekend (usually having to beat s 3 seed) and 18 percent of 7 seeds have made the second weekend (usually having to beat a 2 seed)

Lunardi's 6-7 seeds in order:

UCLA (at Northwestern, vs. USC)
Louisville (vs. Cal, vs. Stanford)
Marquette (at UConn, St. John's)
St. Mary's (WCC Tournament 1 seed)

Kansas (at Houston, vs. Arizona)
Memphis (at UTSA, vs South Florida)
Mississippi State (vs Texas, at Arkansas)
Ole Miss (vs. Tennessee, at Florida)

We could jump Memphis without Memphis having to lose if it comes down to one of us being a 6 and the other being a 7. Kansas has a pair of tough ranked games that they could drop two.

St. Mary's is likely going to stay a 6 (WCC has that weird ladder format). Marquette has two tough games. If we win 2 and Kansas and Marquette lose two, I think we will be in position for the 6 seed.
 
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I 100% agree with you. I would rather be a 7 than a 6. Teams that play those first games in the play in are going to have some momentum and they typically play tough or they win and it’s almost always a power conference team. To me it doesn’t really matter because you’re going to have a tough second round matchup either seed.
 

mstateglfr

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How Are At-Large Teams Selected?​

Men’s Tournament​

Key Metrics Used:

  • NET Rankings (NCAA Evaluation Tool).
  • Quadrant Wins and Losses (more details below).
  • Results-based metrics (Wins Above Bubble, KPI and Strength of Record): These metrics help evaluate a team’s resume. Wins Above Bubble, a new metric for the 2024-25 season, shows how many more, or fewer, wins a team has against its schedule versus what a bubble team would expect to have against the same schedule.
  • Predictive-based metrics (Torvik, BPI and KenPom rankings): These metrics help evaluate the quality of teams. Torvik was added to the team sheet list for the 2024-25 season.

    https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2025/2/7/march-madness-selections-101.aspx#:~:text=The top teams from each,and Wins Above Bubble ranking.

MSU is...
- 30th in NET
- 9th in most Q1 wins
- Top 10 in Q1 record(Win % amongst those with as many games or more played)
- 14th in WAB(Wins above bubble)
- 3st in KenPom
- 10th toughest schedule
- 34th in BPI


So if we end up being a 6 or 7 seed, that's a top25 ranked team, effectively, and that nicely matches with NET, KenPom, Q1 wins, SOS, etc.
 

MSUDC11-2.0

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The thing that concerns me is the margins are REALLY thin from about the 6 seed line to the middle of the 8 seed line. There are about 10 teams good enough to be six seeds and more than half of them won’t be. So for all the talk of 6 or 7, we have some work to do just to make sure we are above the 8 line. It’s closer than you may think.
 

MSUDC11-2.0

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Scoreboard watch tonight: Kansas and UCLA losing would help us along the seed lines.

KU is nearly a double digit dog at Houston. UCLA a slight road favorite at Northwestern.
 

patdog

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Just don't fall to 8. That's the key. Fall to 8 and someone like Florida, Tennesse, Auburn, Alabama or Duke are waiting in the second round.
Yeah. I don't think there's generally much difference between a gap of 1 seed. Unless it's the difference between 7-8 or 9-10.
 

MSUDC11-2.0

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Jerry Palm has us as a 5 seed. 4 to 8 seed still on the table pending last 2 games and SEC tourny.


I realize that’s favorable to us but Palm is the bracket guy I trust the least, currently.
 

615dawg

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I realize that’s favorable to us but Palm is the bracket guy I trust the least, currently.
Yep. No Power Conference team in the top 37 of the NET has ever been left out. He has three being left out.