BILLEY JOE JOHNSON
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I'm with you. There's just something very odd about this situation. I'm no NAACP type, but I do believe in justice, but this is just a case that seems like no justice will be served. There will have to be some hot shot forensics guy come in to even get close on this onerhs43 said:
but this really kind of pisses me off. Something needs to be done, but it seems so tainted now. When things get tainted like they are, it's hard to investigate, but I'm with you dawgatUSM, sadly there probably will be no justice served. I can only imagine what this family has had to go through.
There are some elements that can be easily discerned from a simple photo of the vehicle's passenger area, victim, exterior of vehicle, etc., at least enough to warrant further investigation.
He obviously wasn't in a clear frame of mind that morning. Trying to break into the girls trailer at 5:00 AM and causing enough of a stir there that she called the police on him isn't exactly inconsistent with killing yourself after being pulled over on a traffic stop (and isn't exactly consistent with the "just a wonderful boy" image his friends and family paint).
they really did nothing to point at a homicide. The article really tries to make a story without any real facts. It is typical "poor, backwards Mississippi" journalism.
Basically, it boils down to this. Just because something doesn't fit perfectly into the event A mold (in this case, suicide) doesn't mean that event B happened (homicide).
Basically, it boils down to this. Just because something doesn't fit perfectly into the event A mold (in this case, suicide) doesn't mean that event B happened (homicide).
If he didn't kill himself, than that means almost 99% that the cop did it, since he says nobody else was around. Let's not crucify the cop until we have some strong evidence that he's guilty. Judgement by assumption is a terrible thing. The investigation is continuing, so let's give it time.
And he also left out the part about it being 5 AM. Even if all he had done was knock on her window, despite the fact she called police about him trying to break in the door before the suicide (or possible murder) happened, it's a lot different to do something like that at 11PM on a weekend night and to do it at 5AM on a weekday morning.
I suspect this relationship with the "girlfriend" was probably more of a case of a girl maybe going out with a guy once or twice and then can't get him to quit harassing the hell out of her when she tells him she doesn't want to see him than a real boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.</p>
I suspect this relationship with the "girlfriend" was probably more of a case of a girl maybe going out with a guy once or twice and then can't get him to quit harassing the hell out of her when she tells him she doesn't want to see him than a real boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.</p>
but from what ive read on the story is that she and her family are not talking at all. Meaning they dont want to be involved and if she is white thats probably why. They dont want the attention on them. Obviously something was up and they dont want to be another piece in the puzzle with the NACCP involved, johnny cochrans firm, conspiracy, racial issues, painting him as not such a good guy as the rest of the county etc...who knows. Odd case, and i dont have feelings at this either way other than the law enforcement botched several things and that BJ wasnt who he "normally" was that morning. If he was just throwing rocks at a window there wouldnt have been a call to the police and the family would say that it wasnt a big deal. It was, and THAT is why they arent talking because they dont want to be involved in a....
"Mississippi Star RB Conspiracy/Race Relations/Murder/Suicide" headline and then rev. al and the lot show up. This is just a ****** situation all the way around.
"Mississippi Star RB Conspiracy/Race Relations/Murder/Suicide" headline and then rev. al and the lot show up. This is just a ****** situation all the way around.
is just stirring the ****. The parents are mad, grieving and bitter and want someone to blame for their sons death. Not sure I would be any different if I lost a child and my heart goes out to them for their loss. However, I have a friend who is a sports writer and knows this situation quite well. Apparently this kid, though wildly talented, had some issues.Story is he was dating a white girl (the oen he went to see/break in) and her parents were completely against the relationship but johnson just couldn't let it go. He had friends and teammates who had tried to help and encouraged him to just move on but he wouldn't and it all led up to the dayin question. Interesting story but not near as sensational as implying that a young black kid in Mississippi, a star athlete and the apple of his moma's eye died under "suspicious" circumstances. This column by Wetzel does nothing but use conjecture to create the vague appearance of foul play. Poor judgment on his part to pursue this from this angle.
Please folks, get the facts before you start screaming conspiracy and at the very least get your news from somewhere beside Wetzel.
Please folks, get the facts before you start screaming conspiracy and at the very least get your news from somewhere beside Wetzel.
this was all over the news down here...
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I didn't like the way he tried to imply that the shotgun was stored under the back seat. He does slip in "if the gun was in its normal spot", but he has a full paragraph describing what it would've taken to get the gun out from the back seat. Since he's speculating, how about mentioning the fact that if the gun had been sitting in the front seat, it wouldn't have taken long at all to pull it out (also would be a good reason to get out of the truck & walk to the officer - you wouldn't exactly want an officer walking up to your window if you had a loaded shotgun sitting in your front seat).
"Billey Joe's 1999 Silverado was an extended cab, but with an extra door only on the passenger side. Like many hunters, he stored the gun on the floor under the back seat. In those 10 seconds, he would've needed to return to the truck, climb in and, if the gun was in its normal spot, pull it over the seat, step back out and shoot himself."
"Billey Joe's 1999 Silverado was an extended cab, but with an extra door only on the passenger side. Like many hunters, he stored the gun on the floor under the back seat. In those 10 seconds, he would've needed to return to the truck, climb in and, if the gun was in its normal spot, pull it over the seat, step back out and shoot himself."
for him to do that, he would have to turn his back on someone who just fled from him and walk directly to his car. it would make sense to watch the person get back in their car before returning to the police car with the license. he never mentions that, though, and focuses on this "10 seconds" timeframe that is pure speculation.
while police procedure was certainly not followed (no explanation for why the evidence was not presented), my problem with the conspiracy is this: if this was a cover-up, it would have to be a HUGE cover-up. the story says that the case was almost immediately turned over to the MBI. that is SOP in cases involving death, and MBI usually arriives on the scene before any evidence is removed. if they would have wanted to destroy evidence, MBI would have to also be involved, not just the local sheriff's department.
while police procedure was certainly not followed (no explanation for why the evidence was not presented), my problem with the conspiracy is this: if this was a cover-up, it would have to be a HUGE cover-up. the story says that the case was almost immediately turned over to the MBI. that is SOP in cases involving death, and MBI usually arriives on the scene before any evidence is removed. if they would have wanted to destroy evidence, MBI would have to also be involved, not just the local sheriff's department.
It said that when he heard a gunshot, he looked over to see what happened. If I'm a cop, and I just pulled somebody over, and suddenly there's a gunshot and breaking glass, my *** is hitting the DECK. I'll look later.
I'm pretty sure it implied that most of the evidence was gone before the MBI took over. Of course, who knows, the article was definitely written with a slant.
I'm pretty sure it implied that most of the evidence was gone before the MBI took over. Of course, who knows, the article was definitely written with a slant.
Nobody's shown any evidence at all to support that. Not saying it couldn't have happened, but there's nothing been made public to support it. There's a huge difference in saying something could possibly have happened and there being a shred of evidence to support that it actually did happen. All the evidence I've seen (which admittedly is just what I've read in the paper) leads to the conclusion it was probably a suicide. With the MBI (and I would imagine probably the FBI as well) involved, there's not much way the Sheriff dept. can cover it up if it was a murder.msudawg12 said:
Who have said on numerous occasions at games i attended that "yeah billey joe is good, but he's borderline bipolar and does whatever he wants." That was before all this ever happened. This is no doubt a tragedy. The only person that knows what happened is that officer. He needs to take a lie detector test turn in the uniform he was wearing if for no other reason than full disclosure.
bungled the pursuit, the actual stop, and the crime scene. That list alone is enough to rid that department of the policeman on the scene and the chief.</p>
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One hates to make assumptions, but this case smells. The kid had absolutely no motivation whatsoever to commit suicide. That is just illogical with all he had going for him. It sounds to me like he was set up.615dawg said:
What was wrong with the pursuit? Just the fact that the cop "pursued" him 1.5 miles? I don't think that's a big deal. If Johnson was obviously trying to evade & driving at a high speed, that's one thing. But 1.5 miles? I'm not familiar with the area, but is it possilbe the cop assumed he was just looking for somewhere to pull over? I don't think it would be unusual to pursue someone for 1.5 miles from the time the cop turned on his blue lights. Was the cop parked or driving another direction? And if so, does that 1.5 miles include the distance it took for him to get up to speed and attempt to catch up with Johnson?Eureka Dog said:
There's just too many questions that aren't answered in this article. I wouldn't use anything from this article to form an opinion of what really happened.
to run with it and make our whole entire state look like a bunch of backwoods, country bumpkins and push the racism issue. This State doesn't need anymore of this kind of sterotyping........Unfortunatley, it will happen........I'd be willing to bet that Dateline, 48 hours, and others will get involved and the media circus will begin........There is definitely something strange about this story though..........Where is the FBI? </p>