Bills Fire Head Coach
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It was time. I think he’s an ok head coach, but they underperformed this year given how manageable their schedule was and how open the AFC field was.
Dude was a terrible coach. They underperformed every year with him there.
Sure, but aren't the Bills historically famous for under performing?
Yes, they are the mstateglfr of the NFL, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't all expect better.
I wonder if Harbaugh and Stefanski are regretting accepting the NYG and ATL jobs now that we know the opportunity to coach Josh Allen is up for grabs.
They had no WRs
The have MSU legend and Mike Leach disciple Tyrell Shavers
Maybe not choke their way to a six seed where they had to go on the road in the playoffs?
They also were completely hosed by historically bad officiating which cost them a bid to the AFC Title game. Were they going to fire him next week too if he didn’t beat NE?
Mike McCarthy is going to end up somewhere, and disappoint another fan base.
Yeah they weren't great but their problems were mostly on defense. That's what's held them back, not the offense. Their run D was one of the worst in the league.
The NFL is a weird beast, but on the surface this appears to be unfathomably stupid.
Isn't the NFL sort of like college football this year, it's a terrible time to have to be looking for a new head coach?
Josh Allen fumbled on purpose right before the half. It wasn’t the Bills coach’s fault.
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Shocking with the appeal of the Buffalo media market, weather, and New York taxes that he couldn't do better there...
He will be the HC at New Orleans one day. They NFL recycles coaches like Ole Miss Frat Boys recycle sluts.
Which ones?
I’m not talking about the PI’s. Those were correct but should not have even come onto play.
The Cooks-McMillan call was the joke of the century.
The Cooks call was right too. You have to survive through the ground on a catch. He didn't. It never touched the ground and ended up in McMillan's possession.
Only the wooliest of Bills fans would disagree with this. Probably the easiest call of the day.
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At the 23 second mark you can see the ball coming loose before Cooks hit the ground anyway.
It's completely bizarre. The NBA also has a history of recycling coaches, but it's nowhere near the level of the NFL where a head coach gets fired one day only for the league to treat it like the ten million dollar sweepstakes 24 hrs later as they're trying to figure out where he'll land
I think this is going to result in a third rule inspired by the Bills. Some ruling on being down by contact and then having the ball ripped away.
Last year, of course, the Bills OT loss inspired the new OT rules.
Before that was the long over due "Don't murder your ex-wife" rule.
He consistently makes questionable decisions. Just in the past two weeks he’s made big mistakes.
Against the Jags, they had total control of the clock with timeouts and a qb who couldn’t be stopped on the qb sneak. They should have fallen down just short of the goal line on first down at least to kill the clock. Then they’d have had 3 plays to score with two timeouts and the clock would be at ~20 seconds. Instead, they gave Jacksonville a minute to get a game tying field goal. Most NFL teams would have gotten that game to OT. They were fortunate Jax didn’t.
Then this week, they waste all their timeouts in the first half (one on like the second play of the game and another after a Denver timeout where they had 12 men on the field), which killed their chances to get points at the end of the half. But instead of accepting that and taking a knee, they fumble and give Denver 3 free points.
Those are decisions that can’t be made in games where the margins are that slim. I’m not saying he’s a terrible coach, but he’s not a needle mover, and if you can’t get basic time management right on top of that, then find someone who can. He’s wasted Buffalo’s best window to get a Super Bowl as they now have salary cap challenges and talent gaps that will be harder to solve going forward. They won’t miss him.
The ground is not what caused the ball to come out, therefore the “surviving the ground” argument holds no water.
There is clear and indisputable evidence that Cooks was down with possession. Knee on the ground, ball tucked, defender was touching Cooks but not even touching the ball at that moment in time. Defender reached in and snatched the ball after he was down with possession.
The notion that if you as an offensive player can have a knee on the ground with possession of the ball, therefore cannot advance the ball any further…..yet somehow a defender can just rip the ball away and run it back the other way for a TD is absolutely preposterous.
The ground doesn't have to cause the ball to come out. If you jump up, catch a ball, land on your backside, and the ball comes out, it's an incomplete pass, whether a defender is near you or not. You have to survive contact with full possession through the end of the movement for it to be catch.
There is no 'clear and indisputable evidence that Cooks was down with possession.' In fact, there's no evidence of this at all, because he wasn't. This was called that way on the field and upheld with video review. You're seeing what you want to see, and not what happened.
The defender didn't snatch the ball from Cooks...they didn't exchange possession like a handoff. He pried it loose and then gained possession of the loose ball before it ever hit the ground. I literally provided you the video with multiple angles of this and you are still arguing against it. Again, seeing what you want to see.
I think this play is a case of the original call stands either way. I don’t see evidence to overturn either a catch or an interception.
But that’s not what happened. There’s no evidence at all that the ball was moving or that Cooks didn’t have possession before the defender intervened. Simply put, Cooks wasn’t even given the opportunity to “survive the ground” because egregious contact was made by the defender to wrestle the ball away before he even fully hit the ground.
There is a clear still frame, which I know you have seen, that shows Cooks with his knee on the ground, McMillan touching him, and the ball tucked after he caught it. He’s got a knee on the ground, he’s holding the ball, he’a touched by the defender. He’s 17ing down. If he’s NOT down, then by definition, if McMillan hadn’t pulled the ball away, he could have in theory just gotten up and continued running for a TD.
I’m not a Broncos or Bills fan. There’s no preference to me what I see. I’m seeing what happened. As for the “review”, they didn’t even stop play and go under the hood to see the slow motion. It was a farce. It was a bang-bang play that was called wrong on the field, and the whole crew had to scramble quickly for a bogus justification to prevent a total mutiny from happening on the home field of the AFC #1 seed. Because it absolutely was going to guarantee a Bills victory if it was overturned and ruled a catch.
He pried to loose after he had a knee on the ground. Whether it was exchanged like a handoff, or pulled so hard that it briefly was in the air touched by no one isn’t particularly relevant. Either way, all movement of the ball was forced by the defender after the ball carrier had a knee on the ground with initial possession.
But, if it happened like you suggested, the refs still 17ed it up. Because once McMillan had clear possession, he was never touched by Cooks. Should have still been a live play.
All you are showing in that the video shows the ball moving due to defender contact. It’s not moving due to “the ground” or due to Cooks still trying to secure it.
What you’re saying is that if a defender makes a diving or sliding catch, all I as a defender have to do is go over and grab the ball before he stops moving and just start shaking it real hard until 3 other defenders come over and help me finally rip it away for a turnover. It’s a completely asinine concept.
We’ll never know, because they didn’t stop play long enough to dive into the multiple camera angles and slow motion replays. League wanted to quickly just rubber stamp it and move on, because they knew the shítshow that would ensue if they didn’t.
Thank goodness for that. We were spared 10 minutes of endless slow and stop motion replays and speculation from the announcers and the "rules expert" before a decision was finally announced that would be at least as controversial as it is without the review.
The 23 second mark in the video above proves you wrong and renders every other letter you typed in that wall of text irrelevant. You're wrong. Throwing walls of text at the problem isn't going to make it better.