Bjork on Head to Head 8/3/2017. Partial, rough draft transcript.

Grevlin

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Finally got around to transcribing what I thought was a mighty interesting interview last week. Only typed out the parts from Clip 2 in the link dealing with Bjork's spin on finding Freeze's dirty little secrets and his explanation of the athletic foundation phone set-up. Bjork is in all three clips and discusses other topics such as NOAs, Matt Luke.

Transcript is poorly punctuated and a few things like the discussion of how much time is left, lots of Bjork's "uhs" are left out ...transcribing without software is a pita. So if you're going to use direct quotes, better listen for yourself and make sure what you use is accurate.

http://www.supertalk.fm/h2h-exclusi...signation-and-what-lies-ahead-for-the-rebels/

Clip # 2 3:48 - 9:29


H2H:
What did Ross Bjork know and when did he know it? And why was whatever that day was two weeks ago the tipping point?


Bjork: Yeah, so I think this is a layered answer. I was asked at the press conference was there anything else we had heard about, you know maybe in the last couple of months or whatever so we looked into some of those things and we talked to Hugh Freeze about them. We looked at records regarding many of those things as well.


H2H: Phone records?


Bjork: Phone records. And we didn't find anything. You know so that's one layer. And then, we, we got the call like many people did on that July the 12[SUP]th[/SUP], on that Wednesday before our appearance at SEC media days saying that within the phone records that were provided to Houston Nutt's counsel, there's a phone number that's on there that may be tied to a place in Tampa may be around a recruiting issue and people were sort of shopping that story around. You probably heard it if you guys were over there, we got some calls. So we pulled those phone records that we provided. We looked at that number and we were concerned about that number at what it popped up. And so we looked at all his records and said has that number ever been called or received a call from and we had that answer very quickly and it had not been. It was a one time call, you know there was not other calls before or after that night.


H2H: In that small window window of phone records?


Bjork: In that small window. We talked to Hugh Freeze about it and he didn't recall making that type of call, didn't recall an answering machine pickup or anything so we thought you know what, since there wasn't a call right before or after in similar, uh, of a similar nature that it was, it was a mis-dial. But we wanted to be sure. And so, starting the next day, we pulled again, had all his phone records and started a review of the rest of the phone records. Takes awhile, right, to review 39,000 phone records. And so really by Tuesday of the next week, we had discovered that hey there starts to look like a pattern is here. We matched it up with some other things the next day, the next morning found that there's a pattern here so obviously that's more than one call, more than the one call.


H2H: When you say a pattern, is it a pattern with the exact same number that you're talking about or as you dug, you found out businesses or services that were comparable to....


Bjork: Same type of services ...whatever you want to call 'em. So a pattern was more than one. I mean it was over multiple years as well that we discovered and so we had that information. Coach Freeze needed a chance to tell his side of the story which we talked about at our press conference. So we had that meeting, myself and Dr. Vitter was on the phone.


H2H: What was his side of the story?


Bjork: Basically that he admitted the conduct and he admitted that he had done those things, made those calls.


H2H: So he had lied to you previously plus this behavior had been going on for an extended period of time.


Bjork: You know, I don't believe Coach remembered that call when we first talked to him about it. I really don't because I don't think he had looked at the phone records at that point in time. But by the time we had a full picture on that Wednesday morning and then talking to him on Wednesday night, he knew and obviously admitted the conduct and so we had a plan in place and we executed that plan the next day and everything unfolded that afternoon, Thursday afternoon.


H2H: A lot of folks then know how that was tied into this lawsuit deal of requesting phone records


Bjork: Right


H2H: So the last couple of weeks with some of the things you guys have put out or at least told the Nutt team about hey these other records you can or can't have them. People have asked the question, I'll ask you. Why release two or three days of phone records to them if his phone was paid for by the foundation and you didn't have to, if you didn't have to release them, why release them?


Bjork: We believe we have to release the phone records because they're a work related document, right, and we're a state institution, so the vehicle and I don't know how much time we have, it's sort of complicated with the state law. State law says state employees cannot make personal calls on state issued equipment phones. So the vehicle we use is the athletic foundation. I would assume Mississippi State, Southern Miss, whoever, maybe other universities in our state have this same type of set-up. And so the athletic foundation allows us to access the records so we track recruiting calls, we can track business calls. So when Thomas Mars asked for a limited time-frame of phone records which was what was produced which then led to the July 12[SUP]th[/SUP] information, it was a limited time-frame and we, Coach, had a chance to redact those calls at that point in time, the same type of process we're going to go through when we release all of his phone records, that personal calls are allowed to be redacted and we believe that position will stand.


H2H: They could have redacted that one call but missed it?


Bjork: Missed it. Correct.


H2H: It's a pretty big miss. In your meeting with Hugh Freeze, did he ask to stay on as head coach?


Bjork: We talked about several scenarios that he, that he had proposed. And we just simply said that we have to assume that everything is public and we don't believe that he could continue as the head coach
 
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Dawgzilla

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So he basically confirmed it was escort calls. I was not aware of that interview, and its good to have that out there. In the initial press conference that just said they found a pattern of personal misconduct, and it wasn't clear that it was necessarily calls to escort services. It could have been almost anything really. But that interview removes any doubt that it was escorts, and just leaves the speculation that the escorts may not have been for Freeze.
 

PBRME

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TLDR --- Bjork said we gave Hugh a chance to hide the bad stuff and he 17'd it up.
 

DonDon.sixpack

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thanks for Transcribing. I have one question. 39,000 phone calls? About how long of a time period is that? One year would be 107 phone calls every day
 

BiscuitEater

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Finally got around to transcribing what I thought was a mighty interesting interview last week. Only typed out the parts from Clip 2 in the link dealing with Bjork's spin on finding Freeze's dirty little secrets and his explanation of the athletic foundation phone set-up. Bjork is in all three clips and discusses other topics such as NOAs, Matt Luke.

Sorry, can't access at work but have a couple of questions ..

1.) Did Matt ask something like .. "How have you confirmed that the escort services were for 'personal use only' and NOT for student athletes?"

Follow-up .. "It's pretty much confirmed that Freeze wasn't in Tampa when the 'service' was called in the 'outed' number. Who/when was it for?"

2.) Did Matt ask .. "How many OM Compliance folks have you fired for sheer incompetence over this issue?

Follow-up .. "How can you go before the COI and say (with a straight face) that you KNOW Freeze was running a clean program, when you just admitted that he was hiring escorts and you plus NOBODY in either the compliance or athletic department had ANY clue in FIVE years?"
 

MedDawg

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Bjork:... And so the athletic foundation allows us to access the records so we track recruiting calls, we can track business calls. So when Thomas Mars asked for a limited time-frame of phone records which was what was produced which then led to the July 12[SUP]th[/SUP] information, it was a limited time-frame and we, Coach, had a chance to redact those calls at that point in time, the same type of process we're going to go through when we release all of his phone records, that personal calls are allowed to be redacted and we believe that position will stand.

Bjork considers 'recruiting calls' by a head coach to NOT be 'business calls'.
 

patdog

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These are all questions that any good journalist should ask. Yet no one seems to be asking them outside of some fans on a website.
 

Drebin

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Here is my question:

If it's just a pattern of calling escort services for Hugh, why is this a fire-able offense? Those types of things aren't against the law, generally speaking (although we know the underlying truth of what goes on there). It's embarrassing to Freeze, and by proxy, the university, but it's not something that directly relates to how he runs the program or impacts what has gone on there.

This is why I speculate that there is more to it. Those calls had to be for something other than Hugh's booty calls. Or, there have to be other types of calls that show a pattern of something far more sinister.

I don't mean to go black helicopter, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me.
 

1msudawg

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These are all questions that any good journalist should ask. Yet no one seems to be asking them outside of some fans on a website.

I think those are questions that some several reporters want to ask, but those reporters are not given access to ask them.

I am pretty sure Matt agreed to not ask those questions to get Bdork on the show.
 

Hugh's Burner Phone

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Sorry, can't access at work but have a couple of questions ..

1.) Did Matt ask something like .. "How have you confirmed that the escort services were for 'personal use only' and NOT for student athletes?"

Follow-up .. "It's pretty much confirmed that Freeze wasn't in Tampa when the 'service' was called in the 'outed' number. Who/when was it for?"

2.) Did Matt ask .. "How many OM Compliance folks have you fired for sheer incompetence over this issue?

Follow-up .. "How can you go before the COI and say (with a straight face) that you KNOW Freeze was running a clean program, when you just admitted that he was hiring escorts and you plus NOBODY in either the compliance or athletic department had ANY clue in FIVE years?"

This would have been Bjork's response:

 

patdog

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These questions don't have to be asked in a direct interview. There's nothing to stop Forde, Wolken, or any other journalist from writing or talking about questions that this phone call and Freeze's subsequent resignation raise. Yet, none of them have done so. I don't understand why not.
 

LawDawg97

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So they question Hugh about the "type of call"

We talked to Hugh Freeze about it and he didn't recall making that type of call, didn't recall an answering machine pickup or anything so we thought you know what, since there wasn't a call right before or after in similar, uh, of a similar nature that it was, it was a mis-dial.

....


H2H: So he had lied to you previously plus this behavior had been going on for an extended period of time.


Bjork: You know, I don't believe Coach remembered that call when we first talked to him about it. I really don't because I don't think he had looked at the phone records at that point in time. But by the time we had a full picture on that Wednesday morning and then talking to him on Wednesday night, he knew and obviously admitted the conduct and so we had a plan in place and we executed that plan the next day and everything unfolded that afternoon, Thursday afternoon.

Hugh doesn't recall making that "type of call". Not the number mind you, but the type of call that it was - Hugh says no, I would never call an escort service. But then later when the "full picture" is put in front of him, then he remembers that yes in the past I may have made a full on pattern of those types of calls. And Bjork doesn't call this lying?? He thinks Hugh just didn't remember something like this?

Good luck with the NCAA if that's the type of defense you're running
 

saymyname

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... And so the athletic foundation allows us to access the records so we track recruiting calls, we can track business calls.

Bjork: We talked about several scenarios that he, that he had proposed. And we just simply said that we have to assume that everything is public and we don't believe that he could continue as the head coach


Two comments:

If "compliance" is checking phone records provided by the foundation, how is it possible to not discover the "pattern"? If you believe they were reviewing phone records as Bjork says, then only two options exist. Compliance either 1. knew of the "pattern" and did nothing, or 2. Compliance made no attempt to discover if the unknown phone numbers belonged to a recruit.


"We have to assume that everything is public." This implies that there would be an alternative scenario if everything were NOT public.
 

josebrown

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Would you please email this to Wolken. He may find a follow-up question in that interview that he'd like to ask.
 

StatesboroBlues

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Two comments:

If "compliance" is checking phone records provided by the foundation, how is it possible to not discover the "pattern"? If you believe they were reviewing phone records as Bjork says, then only two options exist. Compliance either 1. knew of the "pattern" and did nothing, or 2. Compliance made no attempt to discover if the unknown phone numbers belonged to a recruit.


"We have to assume that everything is public." This implies that there would be an alternative scenario if everything were NOT public.

Agree...and Bjork said himself they looked into the rumors floating around Oxford but said they didn't find anything. They didn't think to actually search his phone records?
 

AlCoDog

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The problem with lying is that you have to keep lying, and eventually it becomes difficult to keep it all straight. That's what this looks like.
 

Dawgzilla

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Two comments:

If "compliance" is checking phone records provided by the foundation, how is it possible to not discover the "pattern"? If you believe they were reviewing phone records as Bjork says, then only two options exist. Compliance either 1. knew of the "pattern" and did nothing, or 2. Compliance made no attempt to discover if the unknown phone numbers belonged to a recruit.


"We have to assume that everything is public." This implies that there would be an alternative scenario if everything were NOT public.

I'm not sure, but it sounded to me as though Compliance was receiving redacted records from the Foundation. Only the personal calls were allegedly removed, but who knows what else might have been removed?

Also, if Compliance already has the redacted phone records, then why is UMiss having to go back and do all this redaction again just to comply with the public records requests???
 

Dawgg

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Here is my question: If it's just a pattern of calling escort services for Hugh, why is this a fire-able offense? Those types of things aren't against the law, generally speaking (although we know the underlying truth of what goes on there).

Per the original press conference, it's a morality clause.

Per Veazey's book, State basically did the same thing to Babe McCarthy when he was caught with another woman.
 
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