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dawgstudent

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Do you ever wonder if the whole Doc Foglesong thing was planned from the very beginning. In other words, the people that wanted LT and the old regime out cut a deal with Foglesong to go in and wreak havoc and then bow out after 2 years? It just all happened so perfectly.
 

dawgstudent

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Do you ever wonder if the whole Doc Foglesong thing was planned from the very beginning. In other words, the people that wanted LT and the old regime out cut a deal with Foglesong to go in and wreak havoc and then bow out after 2 years? It just all happened so perfectly.
 
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that it was planned and executed to perfection. The deal also involved the killing of dafidils (sic). The proof is in the amt of money that the Ninja has brought in. The giving to the university went out the roof when LT hit the door. Money talks, Bullsh** and Croom walk. Thank you Doc.
 

jackobee

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I think you give the College Board and Tom Meredith much, much more credit than they deserve.
 

Shmuley

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I think some well placed alums wanted Keenum from the start. Keenum knew LT had to go, but didn't want to deal with the ugliness of shitcanning him. Snoopdog became the hatchet man and Keenum place holder. My theory is bolstered by the incredibly odd timing and manner of the foglesong resignation.
 

Center Z

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I've thought this ever since Fogelsong announced his resignation. It all made sense then. But, Fogelsong still had to agree to do all of the dirty work, so bless him for that, even if he did have to step on a few toes in the process.
 

futaba.79

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that wanted LT and the old regime out? Many of the biggest contributors wanted to keep the status quo. Most seem to back on board, but there was a time when that was in question.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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It played out perfectly. We get an outsider in who can do necessary activities that are politically unsavory for those already within the MSU circle. He gets a cushy 6 figure job for a couple years and only has to do a few simple things. He would have no reason to not renew LT's contract and so was perfect for the job. He may not have even been explicitly told to get rid of LT. The guy was a 4-star general and the high standards he expected were not held by LT.
 

coach66

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with my company that served under Foglesong for many years and in a close capacity. He had a lot of respect for the man but said he was a crazy sob in many respects. He definetly could not have made it long term at State but his tenure was all in all a big positive in my opinion.
 

Xenomorph

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Do you ever wonder if the whole Doc Foglesong thing was planned from the very beginning. In other words, the <span style="text-decoration:line-through">people</span> person that wanted LT and the old regime out cut a deal with Foglesong to go in and wreak havoc and then bow out after 2 years? It just all happened so perfectly.

Sell that there was a deal cut on how long Foglesong would stay. The person didn't care about any of that as long as his bidding was done.
 

sixpackmafia

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wasnt it only like a month or two after he announced LT's 'retirement' that he retired?.....I remember thinking this was perfectly planned....and awesome.....I also think about everytime that I see the poster who has the "thank this guy" at the end of his messages.....classic......one of the best black ops of all time.....huge, huge buy.... I hope fogglesong is still getting paid.... ...but im not so sure i believe the whole daffodil thing...
 

NutherT

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Oct 14, 2007
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Too many variables for any of that to actually be planned and executed so perfectly. Even those who would/could have been the masterminds of the plan had genuine hatred for Fogelsong by the end of his tenure. Trust me when I say that it all just happened to happen this way.</p>
 

bonedaddy401

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all the big timers wanted Keenum the first go around and got Doc shoved down their throat. Getting rid of LT just happened to nicely work out.
 

Bulldog Backer

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Fogelsong was a 4 star General. You don't get to be a 4 star General by being disloyal at any point along your career. Doc found out about the use of MSU College of Agriculture equipment and time landscaping Meredith's new home by Watson and the use of Hurricane Katrina funds originally destined for the Coast to do the work. It was a "good ole boy" agreement between Meredith and Watson. Fogelsong's own letter of resignation referred to "refusing to compromise my ethics." Once he found out about it, he couldn't stay on as President and keep quiet about it and keep loyal to Meredith. Watson was rewarded for the work by being named President by the Meredith cadre on the IHL. Once he resigned, Fogelsong leaked the information, and eventually it came to light, resulting in Meredith and Watson's resignations.

That information came from an insider in the College of Agriculture.
 
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All I'm saying is Watson requests for support were more in threats than just simply asking for support. Especially in the ag community.
 

FlabLoser

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Doc was a mover and shaker. And very good at delegating, appointing, and hiring.

Unfortunately, new revolutionary guys in leadership positions seldom last. And so he was gone. This was normal stuff.

Any power broker that could have schemed this could have also ousted Larry through traditional big-donor means. I don't see somebody so powerful taking such an around-the-world route to accomplish an objective.
 

NutherT

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Oct 14, 2007
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Fogelsong did not resign because of Lawngate. Fogelsong did not out Watson on Lawngate.
 

bomanishus

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Mar 17, 2009
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... never planned like it worked out.

We got lucky. Incrediblyi. Might be a first in MSU history.

The guy with the most to gain was Watson. The guy with the agenda was Meredith.

Watson wanted the job so bad that he would do anything to get it. What he got busted for was probably the tip of the iceberg of favors or promises he handed out. He had Leo Seal in his corner, apparently having made overtures to him and the cigar boys that he would re-install LT if chosen as president.

Meredith, on the other hand, had not only his best interests in mind (landscaping, for example) but he also had the University of Mississippi's best interest in mind. He had made it known that he coveted the Chancellor's position at OM when it vacated and he was stacking the deck against MSU so as to put Ole Miss in a position of higher strength. Appoint a goof-ball to be President at MSU who is not only beholding to him but also makes it easier to put things past us.

Two examples: Meredith was quoted as saying that MSU was to become the University for 'first in the family' college attendees. He was intent on making that the mission of MSU so that the moderately well-heeled and up would attend Ole Miss. Another example: Remember the funding equation that he proposed? It was designed to pull money away from MSU and bring more to Ole Miss. The premise was that all money that flowed into the institutions governed by the IHL was IHL's money. So what if MSU gets a $50 million grant from the Department of Defense: In the past MSU would have used that money exclusively but under the Meredtih plan the $50 million would go into the pot of all grants and then be dispersed out to the colleges based on student enrollment. This was in direct response to the fact that MSU's grant money at one time (may still be) is more than that over Ole Miss', USM"s, and others combined. It's easy to see that MSU is the big loser in that scenario. That's why Meredith getting sacked at the same time as Watson was so big.

Can you imagine a doofus like Watson in the President's position? He not only looks and talks like a bumpkin, but he's also the epitome of what has been wrong with State for so long. The corruption for which he was sacked spoke volumes.

Back to us being lucky, or as I like to think of it, being blessed. Keenum and Byrne have had great starts in their tenures and time may show that they were the most amazing selections in the history of the school.

And who do we have to credit for this? Aside from the whistle-blower? (If anybody ever finds out who blew the whistle on Landscape-gate - assumign they are not in the witness protection program - please let me know so I can put them on my Christmas card list perpetually.)

Fogelsong.

He screwed up Meredith's plans to perfection and in doing so, paved the way for Keenum. Before doing that, he sacked LT and elevated Byrne.

The man deserves a statue.
 

SallyStansbury

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At the time, he was someone other than Mark Keenum.

Doc was brought in at the last minute and when the dust settled the cigar boys realized that they had a tiger by the tail....to quote someone long ago here on the sixpack. Dawgbreeze?

Doc got busy in a very short amount of time kicking *** and taking names. Templeton gone, campus beautiful, enrollment up. Faculty bitching....what else is new? "My work here is done!"

Micromanaging ******** issues like bulbs or architecture junk and picking the wrong battles may have contributed to his speedy departure, but there was a significant cross up with respect to funding, the legislature and ole miss that really set him off? Maybe realizing that he had no control over this that really got him? A 4 star general with control issues, nah?

I commend him for the work he did. And now we have Dr. Keenum, who gets to come in and be the good guy who stays for 15 yrs as university president? Guess it all worked according to plan, huh? Surely noone could plan all of that? Right?.........