Saw an underage drinking ticket for a kid who was just hanging out with his parents not bothering anyone. I thought we were done with that?
Blue lot today
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Julie would do something about overzealous mall cops patrolling the lots on game day but her hands are tied.
NJ cops need a serious attitude adjustment. Those militants aren't just looking for trouble, they want it.
I have been in the silver lot for 20 years and have never seen a ticket issued. Do they just patrol the Blue lot because that is the only lot I see this threads about?
Well the out-of-control sheriffs officers have already chased many student and young alumni tailgates out of the Blue Lot, so I guess that clearly rowdy family tailgates with teens/college students are their next-best ticket revenue sources. The 300 or so students in attendance were probably the only 21+ year olds left who cared or were drunk enough to be there.
Yep, thanks for ruining the gameday atmosphere and reducing the student section folks. The same people complaining that things were out of control were complaining that the cops have gone too far. Unbelievable.
Granted, most of what I know about the blue lot situation is from what I've read here, but is it not possible that they went from one extreme to the other? Some of the stories about the tailgate parties some of the students/frats had sounded completely over the line---but walking up and ticketing people casually sitting with their families (while technically the person is breaking a law) is pretty extreme as well.
What part of breaking the law don't you all get? If it's against the law it's against the law! If you don't want cops there complain to the University, but don't complain when they do their jobs. Doesn't matter who the hell you are sitting with when you are breaking the law. That's what is wrong with this liberal a** county now. "Let me do what I want" unless of course I'm in trouble then Where were the Police?
Students forced the move police attention. Acting like jackasses. Jackass dj trying to out blast the neighboring jackass dj. If they didn't have to be such jackasses, they could have continued to share the lot with the donors. But since they couldn't resist being jackasses, the department had to choose between people who pay money and create a nice environment and a bunch of loud drunken obnoxious jackasses. I imagine it was an easy decision, honestly.
All police officers have discretion
Why can't parents allow a college age kid to have a beer.. in their presence?
I get there is a public consumption angle here.. but that is not enforced for anyone 21 and over in the lots.. so if a parent guardian is there and it is oak with them.. and the kid is over 18, what crime is it exactly?
[EDIT... looked it up. apparently it is "on public land" that is the issue. But I think Busch Campus is largely private property.. owned by the private part of Rutgers, administered by the Board of Trustees. On private property with parents present, and consenting, there is no law against that.]
This has happened in Yellow this year by the esteemed Middlesex County Sheriffs officers.
And there is a huge difference from the description above and the DJ blasting/overcrowded/overdrinking/
co-eds peeing between vehicles/party hardy out of control/invade the neighboring tailgate situation that had people complaining and demanding a response from the Athletic Dept. via an increased police presence.
I can only assume you turn yourself in to police every time your car goes 1 mph over the limit like a true red-blooded conservative American.
God Bless America, and no where else!
I got stopped by two cops in the RAC lot for drinking a root beer. Granted it does look like a beer bottle but two cops stopping and checking the label and smelling what I was drinking is beyond excessive.
That's ridiculous. But if people complained and they brought out the police to check people's individual containers. That's what a PC reactive administrations does. I wish they would worry as much about the coaching staff as they do a kid drinking a beer.
Then they will wonder why people don't show up. Hard to enjoy a tailgate with a cop up in everyone's face.
Then they will wonder why people don't show up. Hard to enjoy a tailgate with a cop up in everyone's face.
It was an easy decision for someone not giving a lot of thought to the consequences. A person wanting to stop the bad experiences of donors having to walk through the DJ parties on the way to the stadium, without reducing student interest in coming to the games, would have thought...
"we have the side area of the Blue lot (along the length of Yurcak field) that is only used when necessary for the few games with enough attendance to put latecomers there. Nobody needs to walk through that area unless they are already there. Why don't we make that the unrestricted noise area and allow people with loud parties to set up there and avoid being hassled.".
That's a great solution, as far as I'm concerned. The University was probably also concerned with, in addition to maintaining an enjoyable experience for me in the blue lot, preventing excessive underage drinking. If our football program is so uninteresting that it serves students as a mere backdrop for a bunch of kids to get wasted then our students are more hopeless than I thought.
Not really their fault, I blame rutgers for failing, with 250 years of practice, to develop a positive student culture and tradition, the easiest vehicle for this is, of course, through football.
At the end of the day, the students should have a way to enjoy some tailgating before the ges, but the ones who staged these obnoxious wasted underage noise parties blew it for everyone. Blame them, if you must place blame. No one else had a choice in the matter.
That was my original solution. It was the exact thing that I sent to Julie, et al, at the beginning of the '14 season.
Tough call in some situations. Those patrolling the lots should use some common sense and discretion. If underage drinking is observed and there is no real apparent problem then a stern warning might be a bettet solution...both to the parents snd individual. In this case one had yo wonder what the rest if the story is and how did the parents handle it and were they also ticketed.
On the other side of the coin is how many parents on prom night permit their children to load up their limo or cars with beer etc or even permit same at house parties. This is the Pandora's box situation that law enforcement people face. Tactful warnings and enforcement in game lots should be an unwritten rule as opposed to all out ticketing unless things are really out of order. But then of course there are a handful of "make my day" guys out there just looking for trouble as opposed to keeping things under control. And a small handful of "partying parents/folks" who get beered up and ruin it for others.
On the other side of the coin is how many parents on prom night permit their children to load up their limo or cars with beer etc or even permit same at house parties. This is the Pandora's box situation that law enforcement people face. Tactful warnings and enforcement in game lots should be an unwritten rule as opposed to all out ticketing unless things are really out of order. But then of course there are a handful of "make my day" guys out there just looking for trouble as opposed to keeping things under control. And a small handful of "partying parents/folks" who get beered up and ruin it for others.
Proud to be a red blooded conservative American! And your damn right "God Bless America!" Got a problem with that too bad. Your 1 mph reference shows you have no argument.
Both of my kids went to out of state public colleges. One to a MAC school, the other to a FCS school. Cops at both schools enforced tailgate drinking rules that you could describe as "no harm, no foul." And considering the sizes of the schools and matchups on the field, student attendance at both of their school's games was a lot better than RU can do.
The students and young alumni on this board have made it by clear that the police activity in the lots drove many of them away. But somehow older fans think they know better.
The students and young alumni on this board have made it by clear that the police activity in the lots drove many of them away. But somehow older fans think they know better.
Common sense does not support a laughably high drinking age in relation to serving/driving/gambling/etc because of fear about poor decision-making and lack of personal responsibility, when in reality it causes binge drinking for those both underage and barely of age. Nor is it used in mandating posted speed limits that in many cases are significantly below roads' design speeds and vehicle/driver capabilities, due to insurance lobbies and politicians caving to special-interest groups. Both are clear cases of excessive government interference in its populace's daily lives. Therefore, your argument fails; should've just stuck to "it's the law."
Your definition of common sense and mine must totally differ. My point was common sense tells you if you if you break the law you suffer the results. You don't make mommy and daddy rules. As for the speed limit thing take that up with Armin he raised that dumb 1 mph argument not me.
Like you said in your original post (paraphrasing), rules are rules and if you break the rules you pay the consequences! So how many times have you turned yourself in for being 1mph over?