Board readers, let me ask you a question and respond honestly

WVPATX

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Yesterday, Trump allowed pool reporters into the Oval Office for a signing ceremony. A pool reported glanced around the room and not seeing the MLK bust quickly tweeted about its removal. That tweet was picked up by other pool reporters and quickly retweeted around the nation. It was false and the pool reporter was forced to retract and apologize but the damage was done.

If Obama were President, do you think that same pool reporter sends out that tweet?
 

Boomboom521

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No. maybe if Obama removed all white figures and replaced them with all black, but there would have to be a larger action to warrant coverage.
 

WVPATX

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No. maybe if Obama removed all white figures and replaced them with all black, but there would have to be a larger action to warrant coverage.

But Obama did remove a white bust. Did you not know that? Interesting. And the writer never claimed Trump removed MLK and replaced the bust with a white bust, just that he removed the bust, which was a blatant lie.
 

Boomboom521

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But Obama did remove a white bust. Did you not know that? Interesting. And the writer never claimed Trump removed MLK and replaced the bust with a white bust, just that he removed the bust, which was a blatant lie.
A white bust? How many black busts are in that building you think?
 

WVPATX

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A white bust? How many black busts are in that building you think?

Irrelevant. You are evading my question. Deflecting. I didn't think I would get an honest answer from the board. But even Sam Stein, a very, very liberal guy, made the admission in one of my posts above.
 

Boomboom521

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Irrelevant. You are evading my question. Deflecting. I didn't think I would get an honest answer from the board. But even Sam Stein, a very, very liberal guy, made the admission in one of my posts above.
I answered the question: no. Come on, stop trying to make something where it's not.
 

WVPATX

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I answered the question: no. Come on, stop trying to make something where it's not.

But you see, it is a big deal. Even Sam Stein, a very liberal reporter, admitted as much. But you cannot bring yourself to admit it as well. What does that say about you?
 

Boomboom521

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But you see, it is a big deal. Even Sam Stein, a very liberal reporter, admitted as much. But you cannot bring yourself to admit it as well. What does that say about you?
Truth? I don't think it's a big deal if President Trump removed MLK. Doesn't mean he's racist at all.
 

WVPATX

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Truth? I don't think it's a big deal if President Trump removed MLK. Doesn't mean he's racist at all.

Boom, with all due respect, you are blinded by your ideology. If Sam Stein, as liberal as a reporter can get, understands the issue and the seriousness of what happened and you don't that says a lot about your ideology and how it clouds your judgement.

This tweet went halfway around the world in seconds. It was wrong and made Trump out to be a racist. He later apologized and retracted the tweet. Where does Trump go to get his reputation back? Stein gets it. Sadly, you don't.

And I can absolutely guarantee you, this NEVER would have happened under a liberal President, white or black.
 

Boomboom521

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I said I agreed. You asked if it would have been an issue under Obama, I said no. What I get is that the media is suspect of Trump to the highest degree, and yes most do not like him at all. It's not fake news. It's liberal bias. I don't like it, but it's there. The bigger problem is the attempts President Trump is making to discredit the media, IMO
 

WVPATX

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I said I agreed. You asked if it would have been an issue under Obama, I said no. What I get is that the media is suspect of Trump to the highest degree, and yes most do not like him at all. It's not fake news. It's liberal bias. I don't like it, but it's there. The bigger problem is the attempts President Trump is making to discredit the media, IMO

Boom, the media is more than biased, they are corrupt. The intentionally slant news to paint the picture they want Americans to see. This is not unintentional at all.

If the media is going to continue on this crusade, what choice does Trump have? Sit there and let them lie, deceive, tell half truths? He can't do that. He has to fight back and the best way is to expose their corruption.

At the end of the day, it may be the media's best medicine. If they continue to lose the trust and viewership of the American people, they must change or die. They must become once again, the seekers of the truth and reporters of fact and let the people decide.
 

Boomboom521

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Boom, the media is more than biased, they are corrupt. The intentionally slant news to paint the picture they want Americans to see. This is not unintentional at all.

If the media is going to continue on this crusade, what choice does Trump have? Sit there and let them lie, deceive, tell half truths? He can't do that. He has to fight back and the best way is to expose their corruption.

At the end of the day, it may be the media's best medicine. If they continue to lose the trust and viewership of the American people, they must change or die. They must become once again, the seekers of the truth and reporters of fact and let the people decide.
That's the thing though. Is there liberal bias in media? Yes. Is there liberal bias on college campuses? Yes. But there are reporters (liberal - yes) that still believe in integrity and journalism as the quest and reporting of truth. There are professors and deans (liberal - yes) that are concerned with teaching effectively the tenets and curriculum of their perspective fields. I don't condemn the entire field of journalism or the lot of professors because of liberal ideals. Trump has been hostile with the media for decades, he has a very casual relationship with statements and taking positions on subjects. It isn't laughable any longer when the man runs for President. If he had not used the "my way" angle to convince the public he is "different" than the typical politician, and been more selective with his statements....I think the media would have been more receptive of him. But when you threaten the strength of NATO (without clarification), praise ruthless leaders of hostile nations (without reason), accuse people in the media of being bad at their jobs, lash out at people like a spoiled child, and lie with the attitude of being just and right (such as with his tax returns), things aren't going to get better.

But I don't think he wants them to get better. He wants the war with the media. He wants people accusing him of racism. It helps him establish the us versus them narrative. Look, maybe I'm wrong, but I fear this is their strategy from the beginning. It's an attempt to establish a new party, unopposed, seemingly "of the people", but much more sinister in nature.

I do agree with you, his policies will help the middle class, at least temporarily. But I do not trust Bannon, I don't trust Trump, and I don't like the plays they've been calling so far.
 

Boomboom521

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And Paxx I'm a lot more moderate than you think. I would have voted Rubio. I voted Romney in 2012. I am not a slave to the left. I'm liberal on that I seek a break with traditional idealistic attitudes towards policy and social acceptance. I want a new America, only in the sense that I want our principles to extend beyond tradition and religion and even our boarders. I want a better world.

But i would NEVER be so foolish as to think a conservative couldn't deliver that....Cruz? No. but there are others that could.
 
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Yesterday, Trump allowed pool reporters into the Oval Office for a signing ceremony. A pool reported glanced around the room and not seeing the MLK bust quickly tweeted about its removal. That tweet was picked up by other pool reporters and quickly retweeted around the nation. It was false and the pool reporter was forced to retract and apologize but the damage was done.

If Obama were President, do you think that same pool reporter sends out that tweet?

He/she made a big mistake. Even Fox said no big deal. The reporter retracted the story and apologized. Shoddy reporting. Not sure how much damage was done because it hasn't been talked about since this morning. Probably won't be heard again except for Trumpets crying fake news
 

WVPATX

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That's the thing though. Is there liberal bias in media? Yes. Is there liberal bias on college campuses? Yes. But there are reporters (liberal - yes) that still believe in integrity and journalism as the quest and reporting of truth. There are professors and deans (liberal - yes) that are concerned with teaching effectively the tenets and curriculum of their perspective fields. I don't condemn the entire field of journalism or the lot of professors because of liberal ideals. Trump has been hostile with the media for decades, he has a very casual relationship with statements and taking positions on subjects. It isn't laughable any longer when the man runs for President. If he had not used the "my way" angle to convince the public he is "different" than the typical politician, and been more selective with his statements....I think the media would have been more receptive of him. But when you threaten the strength of NATO (without clarification), praise ruthless leaders of hostile nations (without reason), accuse people in the media of being bad at their jobs, lash out at people like a spoiled child, and lie with the attitude of being just and right (such as with his tax returns), things aren't going to get better.

But I don't think he wants them to get better. He wants the war with the media. He wants people accusing him of racism. It helps him establish the us versus them narrative. Look, maybe I'm wrong, but I fear this is their strategy from the beginning. It's an attempt to establish a new party, unopposed, seemingly "of the people", but much more sinister in nature.

I do agree with you, his policies will help the middle class, at least temporarily. But I do not trust Bannon, I don't trust Trump, and I don't like the plays they've been calling so far.

Let me give you a different perspective. Trump was loved by the media for years. Then he runs for President. They love him during the Primaries. They put him on all the shows, even when he is phoning in, and their reporting was favorable to him.

Then he won the Primary. All of a sudden the media coverage changed. It became viciously negative. They wanted Trump to succeed in the Primary thinking he could not possibly win the general. And they poured it on.

I think it honestly shocked him because he had always had a good relationship with the media. He is a counter puncher. And he is now fighting back against what he perceives as inaccurate and unfair coverage, even corrupt coverage.

I think you're overreacting to this war between Trump and the media. Trump is simply inoculating himself against their future barrages of attacks. He will simply point to their corruption. And the more evidence the media provides to him, the stronger he gets. The media better wake up.

I realize there are good liberal reporters (Jake Tapper comes to mind) and good professors that simply want to educate not indoctrinate. Unfortunately, I think they are now in the minority.
 
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Let me give you a different perspective. Trump was loved by the media for years. Then he runs for President. They love him during the Primaries. They put him on all the shows, even when he is phoning in, and their reporting was favorable to him.

Then he won the Primary. All of a sudden the media coverage changed. It became viciously negative. They wanted Trump to succeed in the Primary thinking he could not possibly win the general. And they poured it on.

I think it honestly shocked him because he had always had a good relationship with the media. He is a counter puncher. And he is now fighting back against what he perceives as inaccurate and unfair coverage, even corrupt coverage.

I think you're overreacting to this war between Trump and the media. Trump is simply inoculating himself against their future barrages of attacks. He will simply point to their corruption. And the more evidence the media provides to him, the stronger he gets. The media better wake up.

I realize there are good liberal reporters (Jake Tapper comes to mind) and good professors that simply want to educate not indoctrinate. Unfortunately, I think they are now in the minority.

You may recall back in October I posted on this. I didn't think they attacked him as much as they could but they ignored Clinton's leaked emails. It isn't as if he didn't deserve the criticism. But I felt that the press pretty much ignored the leaked emails allowing Clinton to hang around. They could have buried her.
 

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You may recall back in October I posted on this. I didn't think they attacked him as much as they could but they ignored Clinton's leaked emails. It isn't as if he didn't deserve the criticism. But I felt that the press pretty much ignored the leaked emails allowing Clinton to hang around. They could have buried her.
I am not sure how they couldnt. I agree with your take on this. Trump had a tougher time but not as tough as it could have been. She was basically given a pass and the wikileaks stuff about media correlation with her campaign was alarming. I always assumed it went on but I thought I was probably crazy.
 

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You may recall back in October I posted on this. I didn't think they attacked him as much as they could but they ignored Clinton's leaked emails. It isn't as if he didn't deserve the criticism. But I felt that the press pretty much ignored the leaked emails allowing Clinton to hang around. They could have buried her.

Oh Trump deserved a lot of criticism. I am not disputing that. He made many, many stupid statements. But they clearly leaned strongly in Hillary's favor. It was obvious they wanted her to win. And I actually think his attacks on the media helped him because many Americans also saw their preference.
 

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ains-winston-churchill-bust/story?id=44948755

One of Trump’s most significant change to the Oval Office so far could be his decision to bring a bust of Winston Churchill back into the office. Obama drew scrutiny from Great Britain’s nationalist UKIP Party when he replaced the bust of Churchill with a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. during his administration.

The controversy over Obama’s decision reached its peak last April when Obama visited the U.K. and penned an op-ed urging Britain to reject Brexit, a referendum that the country's voters ultimately approved, signaling their wish to exit the European Union.

Obama’s op-ed drew a response from Boris Johnson, now U.K. Foreign Minister, in which he suggested Obama removed the bust because it "is a symbol of the part-Kenyan president's ancestral dislike of the British Empire."

---put the Churchill bust back where it should be...---
 
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ains-winston-churchill-bust/story?id=44948755

One of Trump’s most significant change to the Oval Office so far could be his decision to bring a bust of Winston Churchill back into the office. Obama drew scrutiny from Great Britain’s nationalist UKIP Party when he replaced the bust of Churchill with a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. during his administration.

The controversy over Obama’s decision reached its peak last April when Obama visited the U.K. and penned an op-ed urging Britain to reject Brexit, a referendum that the country's voters ultimately approved, signaling their wish to exit the European Union.

Obama’s op-ed drew a response from Boris Johnson, now U.K. Foreign Minister, in which he suggested Obama removed the bust because it "is a symbol of the part-Kenyan president's ancestral dislike of the British Empire."

---put the Churchill bust back where it should be...---

Are you saying to also display the Churchill bust or remove the MLK bust and replace it with Churchill's?
 
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona...ains-winston-churchill-bust/story?id=44948755

One of Trump’s most significant change to the Oval Office so far could be his decision to bring a bust of Winston Churchill back into the office. Obama drew scrutiny from Great Britain’s nationalist UKIP Party when he replaced the bust of Churchill with a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. during his administration.

The controversy over Obama’s decision reached its peak last April when Obama visited the U.K. and penned an op-ed urging Britain to reject Brexit, a referendum that the country's voters ultimately approved, signaling their wish to exit the European Union.

Obama’s op-ed drew a response from Boris Johnson, now U.K. Foreign Minister, in which he suggested Obama removed the bust because it "is a symbol of the part-Kenyan president's ancestral dislike of the British Empire."

---put the Churchill bust back where it should be...---

So a bust of a foreign leader who was about to lose his country to the Nazi's until we bailed him out is more important than our most prominent civil rights leader? Is that what you are saying?
 

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So a bust of a foreign leader who was about to lose his country to the Nazi's until we bailed him out is more important than our most prominent civil rights leader? Is that what you are saying?
Nobody said anything remotely close to that. Read again and try again.
 
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Nobody said anything remotely close to that. Read again and try again.[/QUOT

I didn't ask you Dave, but since you responded, do you want Churchill's over King's? Both? Frankly not sure why any bust of anybody has to be in the Oval Office, but I think King is a pretty choice.
 

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I could care less. It was never a one over the other. Both are there and it doesn't matter to me if either/or or neither is present.