Bob Carskadon or Paul Jones

[Todd4State]

Need to replace Marcello. We have not had very many- if any true MSU beat writers that didn't seem to have an agenda against MSU at least at times. Now, I'm not saying I want our beat writer to be a homer. But at the same time, our beat writer shouldn't point out how many secondary violations we racked up and take pot shots at the team that they are covering. What I do want is someone that simply reports the news and does in an objective manner that doesn't slam the school.


I think this is very important, and Jackie Sherrill agrees with me- I read an article about what Jackie said we need to have to be a successful program, and one of those things was to have the media on our side, which I thought was very interesting. I think we all would agree that is something that we have sorely lacked at MSU over the years.

And that is why I think Bob or Paul would be excellent candidates for our beat writer job. Both are objective and good writers, and both love MSU.

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Totally disagree. I want a beat writer who will report facts not make the fanbase feel good.

ETA: I'm sure Paul makes quite more running the 24/7 site than he would as a beat writer for the CL.

 

[Lettucexxxx]

Totally disagree. I want a beat writer who will report facts not make the fanbase feel good.

ETA: I'm sure Paul makes quite more running the 24/7 site than he would as a beat writer for the CL.

+1

 

[Todd4State]

I want facts too. I just don't want the school completely run down while the facts are being reported because it is unnecessary. For example- the Columbus newspaper ran a completely false story about Redmond receiving a Mustang.

I think it goes beyond that too- as far as promoting our players and that sort of thing. For example, a lot of people do not realize that Anthony Dixon had been homeless at times during his life. Had he played at another school- his story of "overcoming the odds" would have been promoted. Luis Pollorena is another example of how he overcame cancer. And yet, how many times do we hear about Michael Oher and the Blindside?

There are a lot of good stories among our current athletes that people don't know about- and I think some of that is in part because our beat writers from across the state simply don't care to tell it. They do, however seem quite content on making sure that a story about recruits going to a nudey bar gets out because "it is news".

I follow the Cardinals, and their beat writers tell facts and provide info and even give opinions at times, and they do it without running down the team. It can be done- and it really should be done for us. The job of a beat writer is not to air dirty laundry.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Which one do you want?

Need to replace Marcello. We have not had very many- if any true MSU beat writers that didn't seem to have an agenda against MSU at least at times. Now, I'm not saying I want our beat writer to be a homer. But at the same time, our beat writer shouldn't point out how many secondary violations we racked up and take pot shots at the team that they are covering. What I do want is someone that simply reports the news and does in an objective manner that doesn't slam the school.


I think this is very important, and Jackie Sherrill agrees with me- I read an article about what Jackie said we need to have to be a successful program, and one of those things was to have the media on our side, which I thought was very interesting. I think we all would agree that is something that we have sorely lacked at MSU over the years.

And that is why I think Bob or Paul would be excellent candidates for our beat writer job. Both are objective and good writers, and both love MSU.

Objective, or loving MSU? As for me, I want the writer that gives relentless effort to promote The Mississippi State University, its players and staff. A good tMSU beat writer would be touting football players as prospective Heisman Trophy candidates, our basketball players as simply one step from contending for the SEC championship, our baseball program is building a dynasty, and all the human interest stories that would have Hollywood drooling to come out here and make a movie (example: When The Mississippi State University defied the Ole Miss-led white trash Segregationists and allowed the basketball team to play, GASP!, black people in a basketball game, or embellishing the Sylvester Croom story into a movie that made State look good, or the other human interest stories that you were talking about).

Don't forget that the reporteris reporting on GAMES. He's an entertainment writer, he's supposed to entertain. Expose's on the negatives isn't entertaining.

 

[Dental Dawg]

I have to agree about wanting a more positive writer. I want the truth but I'm sick of the negative spin. You print enough of that crap and people start to believe it.

 

[Coach 57]

Either to me would be fantastic for us!

 

[drt7891]

I'm with you. I want objectivity and don't mind a different opinion, but every time you talk about the basketball team in an article or post, you don't have to remind us of every suspension or the fact our POS players got in a fight on national tv in the stands. People remember that, and you don't have to continually point that out (looking at you, Marshmellow). I will say, Marcello got better as time went on, but objectivity can be attained without being a homer or the opposite.

BTW, I'm with you, Todd.

 

[GulfCoastDawg]

GIVE ME ROSS DELLENGER OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!**

He was a member of the SPS community at one time, I'd be interested to see if his username made the transfer.

 

[dawgstudent]

I think Bob would do a great job. I have really enjoyed his features on the hail state beat.

 

[maroonmania]

I want facts too. I just don't want the school completely run down while the facts are being reported because it is unnecessary. For example- the Columbus newspaper ran a completely false story about Redmond receiving a Mustang.

I think it goes beyond that too- as far as promoting our players and that sort of thing. For example, a lot of people do not realize that Anthony Dixon had been homeless at times during his life. Had he played at another school- his story of "overcoming the odds" would have been promoted. Luis Pollorena is another example of how he overcame cancer. And yet, how many times do we hear about Michael Oher and the Blindside?

There are a lot of good stories among our current athletes that people don't know about- and I think some of that is in part because our beat writers from across the state simply don't care to tell it. They do, however seem quite content on making sure that a story about recruits going to a nudey bar gets out because "it is news".

I follow the Cardinals, and their beat writers tell facts and provide info and even give opinions at times, and they do it without running down the team. It can be done- and it really should be done for us. The job of a beat writer is not to air dirty laundry.

You are dead on Todd, just because a guy has an affection for a school doesn't mean he won't report the negative. What I would prefer in having someone that at least has a connection with the school is that they are not looking to publicly expose every negative thing they can possibly dig up to somehow get themselves noticed in the journalistic world or to please their pro-OM bosses.

 

[HD6]

"The job of a beat writer is not to air dirty laundry."

So if the NCAA launches an investigation at Ole Miss, you don't think their beat writers should report on it?

 

[FlabLoser]

I don't know which is better for Paul's needs - 247 or the CL. But I think Paul would be great for the CL. He would be fair to MSU too. Don't have to be a sunshine pumper, but he would give us a fair shake for sure.

 

[DogStuckAtUM.sixpack]

No to both.

Paul's got a good gig at 247 and Bob needs more experience/cover different schools to become "more worldly." Both do a great job in their current roles, but I wouldn't want them at the CL.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Gonna have to disagree on basically all points

I think we've had nothing but objective journalists covering MSU. Veazey was a great writer, just not a fan of real sports, and it showed (twitter updates on pro tennis and golf... yay?) Marcello has done an excellent job. I want to continue to have objective journalists.

That being said, I love the work Bob does, and have no doubt he would do great in such a role.

Honestly, I'll take anyone but Talty. I have no doubt in my mind that he would be the first MSU beat writer with a truly anti-MSU agenda. #HottyTalty

 

[engie]

So if the NCAA launches an investigation at Ole Miss, you don't think their beat writers should report on it?

How would they go about reporting on it when those matters are handled by a private legal firm not subject to freedom of information inquiries?

I certainly don't think their beat writers should be writing carefully worded hit pieces with inferrances about Redmond receiving a car from an MSU booster, when in reality, he was simply pointed to a dealer that would approve him and give him a good deal on an older used car. That's the misleading crap that I want cut out. Stevens wrote the article -- and it was repeated by most MSU beats as factual.

Of all the MSU beats out there during the Redmond/DeVinner situation, it took an Alabama beat writer to ever bother looking into the character and background of Byron De'Vinner and call his story into question: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/09/forget_the_media_what_exactly.html#incart_river_default . That's absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile, the MSU cronies repeated his stories as factual without ever questioning the source of the information in a public forum. That is unacceptable.

 

[FlabLoser]

How would they go about reporting on it when those matters are handled by a private legal firm not subject to freedom of information inquiries?

I certainly don't think their beat writers should be writing carefully worded hit pieces with inferrances about Redmond receiving a car from an MSU booster, when in reality, he was simply pointed to a dealer that would approve him and give him a good deal on an older used car. That's the misleading crap that I want cut out. Stevens wrote the article -- and it was repeated by most MSU beats as factual.

Of all the MSU beats out there during the Redmond/DeVinner situation, it took an Alabama beat writer to ever bother looking into the character and background of Byron De'Vinner and call his story into question: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/09/forget_the_media_what_exactly.html#incart_river_default . That's absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile, the MSU cronies repeated his stories as factual without ever questioning the source of the information in a public forum. That is unacceptable.

Post of the week.

 

[HD6]

I don't know how, but thats not what I'm asking, is it now? I'm asking would you not want them to report on it?

I'm not sure how we got onto the subject of Byron Devinner from that question.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

That's one thing that CL writers have always been

and continue to be bad about - blindly repeating/retweeting.

 

[FlabLoser]

I don't know how, but thats not what I'm asking, is it now? I'm asking would you not want them to report on it?

I'm not sure how we got onto the subject of Byron Devinner from that question.

We expect beat writers to report the entirety of situations. We expect them to look beyond the surface and dig deeper. It is painfully obvious that no CL beat writer evaluated DeVinner's credibility or motivations.

Would we expect substantive violations to be reported? Yes.

Would we expect supporting facts and other information pertinent to the story to be reported? Yes. Did that happen at the CL? No.

The CL abstained from propagating the Columbus paper's sensationalism over a car. That's the best I can say for the CL's treatment of DeVinnergate.

 

[engie]

I don't know how, but thats not what I'm asking, is it now? I'm asking would you not want them to report on it?

I'm not sure how we got onto the subject of Byron Devinner from that question.

The De'vinner part was a general reply to the thread. The FOIA stuff was the only part that I meant as a reply to your quote.

Sure, I would "want" them to report on it -- but they never would -- because they wouldn't be able to get through the red tape to "know" about it, at least not from the AD side. Not until sanctions were ready to be handed down anyway, at which point their "articles" neither help nor hurt the cause. They could presumably learn something from the booster side, but that would require actual investigation, which we know they aren't going to do.

By all accounts, the book was about to close on Redmond when De'Vinner went public and rebooted the whole thing. Why did he go public? What were his motives? Fact is -- we wouldn't have known about that situation either until after it was over if he hadn't started running his mouth to everyone that would listen a few days before going on the radio...

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Oh noes!! Golf & Tennis on teh twitterz? Such fake sports!!1

 

[HD6]

Again I am not talking about Byron Devinner. I am asking a pretty simple question. Todd says it is not a beat writers job to air "dirty laundry". I asked if he would feel the same about Ole Miss beat writers and a NCAA investigation. This feels like a yes or no answer to me, and it does not require any information about Byron Devinner and his shenanigans.

Yes or no? Should an Ole Miss beat writer write about an NCAA investigation should one occur?

 

[CadaverDawg]

How would they go about reporting on it when those matters are handled by a private legal firm not subject to freedom of information inquiries?

I certainly don't think their beat writers should be writing carefully worded hit pieces with inferrances about Redmond receiving a car from an MSU booster, when in reality, he was simply pointed to a dealer that would approve him and give him a good deal on an older used car. That's the misleading crap that I want cut out. Stevens wrote the article -- and it was repeated by most MSU beats as factual.

Of all the MSU beats out there during the Redmond/DeVinner situation, it took an Alabama beat writer to ever bother looking into the character and background of Byron De'Vinner and call his story into question: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/09/forget_the_media_what_exactly.html#incart_river_default . That's absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile, the MSU cronies repeated his stories as factual without ever questioning the source of the information in a public forum. That is unacceptable.

This^. Hell, I would even take a "homer" at this point. Anything but negative **** spewing "journalists" that we have right now. These guys get erections any time they have an opportunity to report something that hurts MSU or makes us look bad...but you have to hope for a sliver of information when something positive happens for MSU.

Meanwhile, if OM has something negative going on, their guys either drop a small tidbit about it inside a column of sunshine...or else they wait until it is totally confirmed before reporting anything about it. And sometimes they say absolutely nothing about it if it could have a negative impact.

So, do I want a homer...no. But I would love to have a journalist that isn't so quick to search for the negative, and may even try to find the bright side of the negative stories from time to time. Nothing big, just solid journalism with a slight MSU lean.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Again I am not talking about Byron Devinner. I am asking a pretty simple question. Todd says it is not a beat writers job to air "dirty laundry". I asked if he would feel the same about Ole Miss beat writers and a NCAA investigation. This feels like a yes or no answer to me, and it does not require any information about Byron Devinner and his shenanigans.

Yes or no? Should an Ole Miss beat writer write about an NCAA investigation should one occur?

Yes, of course. They should only use facts though. Our guys used hear say as "factual" information, and ran with it. OM guys typically wait for all the facts before reporting anything negative about OM...if they even report it at all.

 

[engie]

Again I am not talking about Byron Devinner. I am asking a pretty simple question. Todd says it is not a beat writers job to air "dirty laundry". I asked if he would feel the same about Ole Miss beat writers and a NCAA investigation. This feels like a yes or no answer to me, and it does not require any information about Byron Devinner and his shenanigans.

Yes or no? Should an Ole Miss beat writer write about an NCAA investigation should one occur?

It's not as simple as a yes or no answer -- which I've shown in my previous two posts.

Yes, they should report on it. No, they never will because they will not know about it because OM compliance does a bang up job.

 

[HD6]

I get what you are saying. The Devinner saga is definitely an example of beat writers gone wild, digging for something that wasn't there. Stevens should definitely be called on the carpet for that.

My issue is the idea that beat writers should not report negatives. They report news, regardless if it's good or bad.

 

[FlabLoser]

Again I am not talking about Byron Devinner. I am asking a pretty simple question. Todd says it is not a beat writers job to air "dirty laundry". I asked if he would feel the same about Ole Miss beat writers and a NCAA investigation. This feels like a yes or no answer to me, and it does not require any information about Byron Devinner and his shenanigans.

Yes or no? Should an Ole Miss beat writer write about an NCAA investigation should one occur?

Is it a beat writer's job to footnote every Anthony Dixon story with "Dixon was arrested for DUI in (insert date)"?

 

[azdawg]

I want facts too. I just don't want the school completely run down while the facts are being reported because it is unnecessary. For example- the Columbus newspaper ran a completely false story about Redmond receiving a Mustang.

I think it goes beyond that too- as far as promoting our players and that sort of thing. For example, a lot of people do not realize that Anthony Dixon had been homeless at times during his life. Had he played at another school- his story of "overcoming the odds" would have been promoted. Luis Pollorena is another example of how he overcame cancer. And yet, how many times do we hear about Michael Oher and the Blindside?

There are a lot of good stories among our current athletes that people don't know about- and I think some of that is in part because our beat writers from across the state simply don't care to tell it. They do, however seem quite content on making sure that a story about recruits going to a nudey bar gets out because "it is news".

I follow the Cardinals, and their beat writers tell facts and provide info and even give opinions at times, and they do it without running down the team. It can be done- and it really should be done for us. The job of a beat writer is not to air dirty laundry.

+1

 

[HD6]

In 2009? Probably, it was news. I'd think it was odd today.

 

[OurPrideAndJoySnots]

Example:
Read these two articles of very similar nature and tell me which reads in a more positive note...
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...3010046/Brewster-leaves-Mississippi-State-FSU
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...-ace-McGriff-leaves-Ole-Miss-coach-Saints-DBs

 

[maroonmania]

"The job of a beat writer is not to air dirty laundry."

So if the NCAA launches an investigation at Ole Miss, you don't think their beat writers should report on it?

As others have stated what we get when it comes to MSU beat writers, as with the Redmond issue, is rumor mongering. If there is something that is a VERIFIABLE fact, report it but I don't need a beat report to pass along rumors. I can get all of those I need from internet message boards.

 

[HD6]

Neither of them read positive to me. I think you're reaching.

 

[EAVdog]

Isn't this sort of why he is writing for the Hail State beat?

I think Bob would do a great job. I have really enjoyed his features on the hail state beat.

He does a great job and I think it is very needed. MSU has long had one of the worst presence in sports media. Just look at how everyone and their mother has treated the subject of Mullen. For the first 3 years it was "he's gone, Starkville is just a stepping stone" and now it's "he's done all he can, he's peaked". We have nothing to counter that. It took how many years for our story about the game with Loyola to break nationally and part of that was because of the other schools involved. That story should have been a 30 for 30 by now.

Our beat writers are never going to be great, they are going to be just they always are. It's their profession. MSU doesn't have the following to get attention by writing human interest stories or puff pieces. They are going to dig for dirt and scandal to get noticed and move on to bigger and better jobs, see: K. Veazey, or B. Marcello.

 

[HD6]

Knowing Bob as I do, I feel confident in saying that if he got a lead about recruiting violations or player misconduct, he would be the first to report it.

 

[OurPrideAndJoySnots]

One article starts this way:

OXFORD

— Ole Miss has lost the assistant coach who helped it land two of the nation’s best prospects.
Wesley McGriff accepted an offer to become the New Orleans Saints’ secondary coach, the NFL team announced Monday evening. McGriff was Ole Miss’ cornerbacks coach and co-defensive coordinator.
He led Ole Miss’ efforts to recruit and sign the No. 1 prospect in the country, defensive end Robert Nkemdiche, and the No. 1 wide receiver, Laquon Treadwell. McGriff also pursued many of the four- and three-star players who comprised an Ole Miss signing class ranked in the top five nationally.​

The other starts this way.

STARKVILLE

— Two weeks after professing his love for Mississippi State, Tim Brewster turned maroon into garnet and gold.
Brewster’s departure leaves MSU one coach short of a complete, nine-man staff three weeks before spring practices begin March 21 in Starkville. Rumors of Brewster’s departure started Monday, less than two weeks after the coach admitted to reporters he had been pursued by other football programs — a scant six months after arriving in Starkville as the Bulldogs’ receivers coach.​

 

[dawgstudent]

On the spirit, they are mad the CL didn't interview our recruits that are recruited by Brewster. They had quotes from the guys McGriff was on.

 

[dawgstudent]

Should an LSU beat writer write about an LSU investigation?

 

[HD6]

And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning.

 

[rabiddawg]

The real question is if Bama's team was facing the NCAA stink eye would Bama's beat writers be allowed to report on it and still have. Job afterwards.

Our beat writers could care less about MSU sports. KV was the most open with discussing his taste for football all together. If it wasn't basketball he could give two ***** about it. Marshmallow was pulled from NEA and I am sure he couldn't get away fast enough

The Clarion Ledger on Thursday had a huge front page spread of OM's basketball game saying something to the effect that the Rebs are back on track. Sharing on the front page was a little side note saying State loses another coach and Prescott will be sidelined. Nowhere did I see anything about our baseball team destroying anyone to go 11-0 on the season ad leading the nation In wins or games played...