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DAWG61

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to ask for more than $2 mill. He will more than double what his salary is in revenue for MSU and he will have MSU relevant amongst the giants in college basketball. He will also make the NCAA every year. Oh and ESPN loves him so you can go ahead and chalk up atleast 10 games a year on one of the three ESPN networks. Think about it....
 
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A lot of our potential recruits <span style="font-style: italic;">parents </span>were about 8 years old.
 
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DAWG61

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I guess taking one of the worst Big6 programs to 4 NCAA's in 6 years isn't relevant.
 
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DrKennethNoisewater

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For Stansbury's long search of the coveted Sweet 16 I'm reminded of an episode of South Park where the boys were in search of the clitoris. ThroughStans'journey he's seemed just as lost.</p>
 
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Bob Knight had 5 NCAA wins in his last 13 seasons. Stans has 4 in his 13 seasons. Difference was, half of Knight's last 13 seasons was at one of the best programs in the history of college basketball.

Not meant as a Stans defense. Just to point out that the last decade plus of Knight's career was a lot different than the first 20 or so years was. He wasn't bad by any means, but he wasn't anything special either.
 
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and without having to win his conference tourney. I'll go back 1 extra year since this is Stans' 14th and we'll see how our season finishes but Bob carried his teams to the NCAAs 11 out of his last 14 years including 2 Sweet 16 appearances, 1 NIT semi, and only sat at the house and watched the post season twice.
 
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EmoryBellard

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I rather doubt The General would be interested in playing that game.

ETA: The man is also 72 years young.
 
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DAWG61

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Knight has been to the NCAA 14 times in his last 16 seasons not including the year he stepped down so his son could coach. In those 16 seasons he has 16 NCAA wins, a final four and multiple sweet sixteens. It gets more and more successful the longer you go back. Including 3 national championships.
 
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patdog

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Of course it gets better and better the further you go back. He's Bobby freaking Knight. He's one of the best coaches that ever coached the game. But 11 of his 16 NCAA tournament wins in his last 16 years came in years 1-3 of that span. But there's a very clear and dramatic break in his career where before that time he was one of the best coaches in history and after that time he was a good but not great coach. In his first 23 years he had 3 national titles, 5 Final Fours and 14 Sweet Sixteens. In his last 13 years he had 1 Sweet Sixteen. If you think he could somehow come into Starkville and start taking us to Sweet Sixteens, you're crazy. Would he be an improvement over Stans. Probably. But not much of one.
 
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and I have no doubt he still has the coaching chops to coach talented players to the sweet sixteen, the problem is that he can't get talented players due to the fact he won't play the AAU game.

Players also don't want to play for a team oriented offense. They want an offense that will showcase their talents. Knight's offense relies on team concepts.

I miss Coach Knight, because the guy is funny as hell, loyal to a fault, and just good for basketball, but unless he decides to play the AAU game he needs to stay in the booth.
 
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DrKennethNoisewater

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were spent at a school with zero basketball history/tradition in a conference tougher than the one we play in and he still got the job done! Expectations at TT can not be the same as Indiana (back then), but yes expectations at State should be higher than TT.
 
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are the type of posts that I defend Stans on. To suggest that Stans is dumber than "Gomer Pyle" is just moronic at best. I have never once claimed the guy to be the next Phil Jackson, but he is also not a moron. He didn't get to where he is by being a complete idiot who knows nothing about basketball.
 
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post does nothing to legitimately defend the initial post. It was just terrible and there's no way around it.
 
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DAWG61

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things that I fully believe. Sometimes I post topics because I would like to see different sides or angles to the topic. In this case it's Bobby Knight. I grew up watching IU basketball. The man is a living God in the state of Indiana. I listen to his broadcasts and to me he still has "it". He's a brilliant basketball mind trapped in a 72 year old body with anger issues. I bring him up for 2 reasons. 1. I think he has one more great run in him and 10 good years of coaching left. 2. We are looking for a coach and I want to see what the board thinks of him. As a lifelong fan of the man I think it will be a tragedy if he doesn't use the next 10 years of his life coaching college basketball before its too late. This man taught Coach K everything he knows.
 
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patdog

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Back then, that was unheard of. I can't really understand why they haven't ever been able to get it together since he left, but Indiana basketball is like Alabama, USC and Texas football were in the 80s/90s. A sleeping giant that could be reawakened with the right coach.</p>
 
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DAWG61

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in 28 seasons at IU? What about the fact IU has been stuck in a black hole the last ten years till finally now they are relevant again? What about the fact he took TTech to 4 NCAA outta 6 years? What about the fact TTech is currently 1-16 in the Big12? What about the fact he's been to 29 NCAA's out of 34 years? If I thought he couldn't still do it I wouldn't bring him up but I truly believe he still has "it" and would better our program tremendously in the next 10 years.
 
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patdog

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Yes, he was one of the greatest coaches of all time. Yes, he was still a good coach even in the last 13 seasons. I completely agree with you. But he damn sure isn't one of the greatest coaches of all time because of his last 13 seasons. If that was his entire career, he would be thought of as a pretty good, if a bit crazy,coach who couldn't win in the tournament.
 
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patdog

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in the first 17 games. Which is exactly my point about Coach Knight. He wasn't as good of a coach his last 13 years as he was his first 23. You can't even begin to argue against that and that's why you completely ignore it and keep going back to his overall record, which no one is disagreeing with you on.
 
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DAWG61

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that his accolades are not as impressive in his last 13 years however the standard should not be the same at a historically awful basketball program like TTech has had. The fact he got them to 4 NCAA in 6 years should hold more worth than it would at almost every other program in the power6 conferences. Winning 8 football games 4 outta 6 years at Alabama might get you fired but winning 8 football games 4 outta 6 years at MSU is a much tougher accomplishment. Same thing as what he did for the Texas Tech basketball program.
 
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DrKennethNoisewater

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KurtRambis4 said:
post does nothing to legitimately defend the initial post. It was just terrible and there's no way around it.
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So I have to defend something I say? Based on who's rules? Yours? I'm sorry if you dropped your sense of humor somewhere or if you misunderstood what I said, but that's your problem sir not mine. If you seriously thought I meant Gomer Pyle(who is a fictional17ing character ina tv show) was actually smarter or a better basketball coach than Rick Stansbury then you have larger issues to be dealt with. Good luck dude!
 
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