Agree, Show. **** happens, sometimes in droves. Let's just support our Blue Devils and it will work itself out. Luckily we got the depth to take these blows and for that I am thankful, and when we kick the **** out of Carolina it will just make it sweeter.
Bolden injury
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Just the nature of the beast. People don't always recognize just how fragile an athletic career is. Look at Ray Smith, kid hasn't played a minute of college ball and had to call it a career due to his 3rd ACL injury. I mean, if we really wanted to we could probably fill up a one hundred page thread on sports injuries that altered or ended careers and/or seasons. An athletic career is not long at all and is always hanging by a thread. We always want to believe that we can control everything and while sports medicine has come a long ways and we have become more aware of methods to reduce risk there is still no way of completely preventing injuries, it's impossible
At least we can take comfort in knowing if one of our guys goes down, our backup plan isn't Stilman White.
Show nailed it in his post, but holy smokes guys relax. I'd much rather have this happen now than later on in the season. Tatum is fine, he is going to play Friday. God willing he doesn't get hurt again but it's not like he has a history of injuries. So he's not even going to miss a single game but yet the sky is falling?
Giles was freaking hurt before he even got to Duke. How is that we're cursed? He moved up his announcement to commit to Duke b/c we have the best doctors, trainers and facilities for rehab- i'd think that has a **** more to do with recruiting than "oh my don't go to Duke b/c you will get hurt." What world are you living in?
Bolden- we don't know the extent of yet, but just calm down, the season starts Friday. We will play another five months, take a deep breath.
My goodness....whoever brought up Ray Smith hit the nail on the head. You want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for him. Three ACL injuries and kid didn't even get to suit up. His career is over and was a top 40 recruit. Him I feel for, not us.
Giles was freaking hurt before he even got to Duke. How is that we're cursed? He moved up his announcement to commit to Duke b/c we have the best doctors, trainers and facilities for rehab- i'd think that has a **** more to do with recruiting than "oh my don't go to Duke b/c you will get hurt." What world are you living in?
Bolden- we don't know the extent of yet, but just calm down, the season starts Friday. We will play another five months, take a deep breath.
My goodness....whoever brought up Ray Smith hit the nail on the head. You want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for him. Three ACL injuries and kid didn't even get to suit up. His career is over and was a top 40 recruit. Him I feel for, not us.
Yeah, I'm afraid my comment started a downward spiral on the shoe/leg theory and for that I apologize. Wasn't my intention. Definitely not blaming injuries on the staff or our coach! I'm glad these injuries don't seem to be very serious in comparison to other injuries that have been career ending like the one mentioned above! I feel for that kid.
I do think there is something to the shoe theory though. It's true accidents happen all the time, especially in college basketball when concerning the legs but you can't deny we have had a stretch of leg/foot injuries that run well over a decade long. Again, that in NO WAY means I blame our staff or coach. I just hope they aren't letting Nike make all the decisions without staff input.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys come together and weather this storm. I think having the spotlight somewhat off us and the media doubting us may benefit us. By the time march comes, all eyes will be on us.
I do think there is something to the shoe theory though. It's true accidents happen all the time, especially in college basketball when concerning the legs but you can't deny we have had a stretch of leg/foot injuries that run well over a decade long. Again, that in NO WAY means I blame our staff or coach. I just hope they aren't letting Nike make all the decisions without staff input.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys come together and weather this storm. I think having the spotlight somewhat off us and the media doubting us may benefit us. By the time march comes, all eyes will be on us.
Pretty much 90% of everyone playing basketball at a high level is wearing some sort of Nikes. I think some of the weight lifting practices (everywhere, not just Duke) have led to more knee blowouts, because that is a stability issue and many players build strength and power but not stability. Even when you do everything right theres not a whole lot that can be done about an ACL. As far as old timers not being injured I have a few theories: 1) They certainly didn't play as much ball as these kids play nowadays. I remember a story about Tommy Heinshon (sp?) being a veteran on the team with a young Havlicek. Hondo would run extra and shoot extra after practice on his own. Heinshon thought it was hilarious and would stand under the basket and mock him, while smoking a cigarette lol. 2) Everyone (not just Elgin and Russell) are high risers. Therefore there are more plays with lots of guys landing awkwardly. Even as far back as the late 90's any NBA teams had 2-3 stiffs (re: guys who can't jump) on the roster.
I agree. And my blanket statement about Nikes is probably more frustration than anything. Really it boils down to certain types of feet don't mesh with certain styles of shoe and that can cause compensation injuries which a lot of basketball players nationwide suffer from. It's no fault of Duke, Phil Knight or anyone else. It's more of a find the right shoe for the right guy. If they did that and it still happened well then it was meant to be. Either way Go Duke and let's have a helluva season.
I agree with Show as well. These injuries are nothing more than just bad luck injuries because injuries are going to happen in sports. I don't think it's the shoes because my nephew played basketball in high school and his first year at juco. He sprained his ankle twice while playing in high school, once when he was wearing low top tennis shoes and once when he was wearing high top tennis shoes.
Timo, this isn't a shot at u so please don't read it like one...
But every time I see somebody say better now than later about injury I'm always like "no better it didn't happen then ever"
But every time I see somebody say better now than later about injury I'm always like "no better it didn't happen then ever"
Haha yeah i mean obviously no injuries are always the best, but if an injury does occur, the lesser of two evils is having it happen now vs. later.Sorry bout the bad grammar on that post!
I agree that it's just a coincidence that many of our players get injured but I also think players just play with more reckless abandon these days compared to years past. They definitely are faster and jump higher and jumping higher means coming down harder on the legs, knees and feet but you would think their strength would offset this. Being faster also means that a player hits the floor and objects around the court harder. I just spent an hour reading why athletes get injured and which sport has the most injuries. Football as one would think causes more injuries but basketball causes almost double what baseball does. Baseball does however have more deaths due to ball and bat to head injuries. Read an article that stated that one reason of basketball injury on the legs and feet is the amount of time they spend playing, maybe not enough rest just like another poster said. However it's really strange that we currently have three 5 star players on the injury bench even though one is an old injury.
Blaming injuries on our Nike shoes is just plain ridiculous. Guys are bigger and faster now than ever before. I just think we have hit a rough patch for injury luck (better now though than later in the year.)
The fact that we have 3 five star guys all injured at the moment is extreme, I get it. The only other extreme situation that comes to mind is the LA Clippers losing CP3 and BlakeGriffin all in the span of 2 days in the first round of last years playoffs, which effectively ended their season.
The fact that we have 3 five star guys all injured at the moment is extreme, I get it. The only other extreme situation that comes to mind is the LA Clippers losing CP3 and BlakeGriffin all in the span of 2 days in the first round of last years playoffs, which effectively ended their season.
Whether it's responsible for their injuries or not, I've never understood wearing low cut shoes for basketball .
Isn't Tatum supposed to play Friday?
I'm looking forward to everyone at full strength and get this train rolling. We have a great week coming in for us with the football game vs. unc Thursday night then BB games on Friday, Saturday and Tuesday. I'm really fired up and let's get the wins started on Thursday night. OFC
That's an extreme statement imo. We long-distance runners know that Nike makes by far the worst running shoes, absolute joke, nobody who knows anything wears them. No idea if their basketball shoes are similarly terrible. But if we're wearing the same kind as all the other schools, then yeah, I'd agree it's probably not the shoes.
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I'm not blaming Nike for this. But if you think for a second that wearing low sneakers doesn't affect ankle and foot stability, especially at high level D1 major college basketball you're in denial. These guys move and cut too fast for that. To be honest, I'm shocked there's not more ankle and foot blowouts. Just my two cents..
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I love the shoe convo. Haha.
I don't know that anyone is totally blaming the shoes. It would be wrong to do that. But in all forms of exercise footwear is vital. So it's not just "luck" or "Nike" or whatever. These kids play basketball from summer to summer all while they are growing and forming their bodies. That's gotta play a part too. Just a really tough scenario but thankfully it shouldn't be anything serious.
I don't know that anyone is totally blaming the shoes. It would be wrong to do that. But in all forms of exercise footwear is vital. So it's not just "luck" or "Nike" or whatever. These kids play basketball from summer to summer all while they are growing and forming their bodies. That's gotta play a part too. Just a really tough scenario but thankfully it shouldn't be anything serious.
I personally think some of the issues have been a weight issue of certain duke players. Out of necessity duke has played a lot of power forwards at center and i believe they've been over weight. Prime examples are Boozer and Brand. Although both were awesome in college, they were lighter, quicker, faster, and arguably healthier in the NBA playing basketball a lot more. There's other examples of that, but obviously it's not the full story. Tatum clearly is not over weight.
Yeah you are probably right. I'm just tired of the injuries. It's like we can go ahead and say well when is the next injury due. OFC
I think coach K needs to examine the players he recruits feet closer. Typically high arches are less likely to have foot injuries as there is more give. He should examine for flat feet and not recruit those players.
I'm joking about K examining feet, but actually not joking about flat feet more likely to be injured.
Should change to go to converse sneaks. Are they still a thing?And he was briefly tied to Duke. Scary stuff.
It's funny my high school team used Converse. You couldn't walk down a flight of stairs without breaking your ankle.
Nothing public and we won't get anything definitive until Bolden comes back, if we even get anything then. It sounds like he may be available by Kansas.
I'll temper my excitement but that would be great news if he can be ready for Kansas! Even if he can only go for like 15 mins.
Just got an update that bolden is out 1-2 weeks "maybe" more... makes me think Kansas might be a long shot
If he misses 2 weeks and the Kansas game but comes back full strength that is perfectly fine with me.