It's funny how you only single out certain posters, when some of your buddies and yourself blast posters with vulgar belittling comments. It's ok to blast posters but criticism of players and coaches is unjust? I make a pun on words and you're panties are all in a bunch. What should i call Matt's shooting at end of games? Poor, not smart, nervous, mentally weak? Ks just defending a player so his confidence doesn't get even more shaken by calling him their rock. I have no doubt he's a great game and locker room leader, but chemistry doesn't look lacking, our play does. No one was blasting posters for calling out kennards early season brick shooting performances? Matt gets a special pass because he's coaches favorite? What should we call k's going to zone in back to back games and getting slashed apart every possession, or maybe it's his inability to coach zone? Is that allowed to be criticised?
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Many of the senior posters on this board bashed me when I said Matt was a role player. I'm a die hard Duke fan but I'm also a realist. Matt was suppose to be a deadly 3 point shooter, but his release is very slow and that has hindered that part of his game. As for Thornton, I do believe he will be a good player at Duke, but he's no where near the player Jackson is going to be when he steps feet on campus. Jones, Jeter and Thornton will have a hard time getting minutes next year.
Matt's not going from 40minutes to not starting as we don't have any other better options. Derryck is not playing well enough to start over matt. With that said, matt has to play better and smarter on offense, then rebound on defense more. Next year if allen stays matt won't start. Just so much talent.
How'd that work? i have a few others i could name, but I'll stay away from that convo.
I totally agree with the fact the Jones should have minutes cut next year but I will believe it when I see it. We have had guys sitting behind the likes of Tyler Thorton and Josh Hariston who were much much better players. K trusts seniors and I will be shocked if Matt Jones is not part of the starting 5 next year.
Duhon I just can't see, Luke, Jackson, Tatum, Giles and Allen not starting. If Allen bolts (which I don't see but who knows) than I see us picking up a big that could start down low.
I just exercised my free speech without preventing anyone else from doing the same.
You just hit a trifecta of small-minded message board retorts there: (1) flipping out about censorship of free speech b/c someone disagrees; (2) being the most sensitive, offended person in the room, yet pointing at "PC" as the problem; and (3) whining that others are whining.
All those words for my one sentence statement of fact, not one of which was vulgar? Whose panties are in a bunch here?
constructive criticism: Matt is slumping
throwing him under the bus: taking an emphatic statement K made about his importance and turning it into a cheap pun making fun of his play
So because Luke has a better offensive repertoire, he's automatically better than Jones? Ignore jones being a better defender and leader, that makes sense. Hell, ignore that Matt hasn't been healthy in weeks. Whatever fits your agenda.
Frank is my favorite recruit coming in. That being said, he isn't ready to be a pg at the collegiate level. DT has played well as basically a high school senior, and without him, Duke probably takes an L against Gtown and VCU. Again I'll take that bet all day long, and then I'll laugh at the person saying we should RS DT. Comedy.
Frank is my favorite recruit coming in. That being said, he isn't ready to be a pg at the collegiate level. DT has played well as basically a high school senior, and without him, Duke probably takes an L against Gtown and VCU. Again I'll take that bet all day long, and then I'll laugh at the person saying we should RS DT. Comedy.
If you prefer laughing to crying, you'd be here when we win, too. Instead, you show up to do nothing but complain, brag about how tough you can tell it, then whine that anyone doesn't like it. You're laughing at our team. There's no sign whatsoever of compassion, support, or the maturity and self-control to respond like an adult. It's all vent, vent, vent.
What's comedy is for the nth time you laugh at a comment instead of stating how 6 guards will split minutes over 3 spots. I doubt one RS as well, but i think it could be beneficial if all pieces fall in place.
You do realize these are adults playing not 3rd graders? Are you ok with ks screaming and swearing? I am, but it goes against the way it seems you want the players coddled. Posts where i or anyone compliments grayson luke and brandon go nowhere. Most people want to discuss what it's going to take to win another championship. I was extremely complimentary of Marshall after vtech, not one comment from anyone on that. But if i talk about how his d had been poor again post vtech a lot of comments come. Nature of messages boards.
Dattier that is one funny statement. Saying a poster is, "Unsupportive, disloyal and rude" because he said Matt shoots rocks. Hello, that poster's statement was his opinion. So if a poster says anything negative about a player you assume they're, "Unsupportive, disloyal and rude." That my boy is simple minded.
I like how you are backtracking, thank you for giving me something else to laugh at here. K has never balanced 6 players over 3-4 spots on the floor? Lol, you crack me up. Just admit your original comments were idiotic and move on. No big deal.
I do believe the comments Dattier is referring to are more cumulative, vs this one thread. Get nasty tends to only show up to complain, rarely after wins.
Who?
Josh started 9 of 30 games his senior year and 17 of 121 for his career. The only scholarship post players he ever had more minutes than were a freshman Amile Jefferson and a redshirt freshman Marshall Plumlee when he was a junior, and Marshall again the next year.
Tyler played about twice as much as Quinn when Tyler was a soph and Quinn was a freshman. If you want to through in Gbinije the same year, he had about 4 times his minutes per game. As a junior and senior, he started ahead of Quinn often, but wasn't close to his minutes per game, and the only backcourt player he had more minutes than was fellow senior Andre Dawkins. Dre could shoot, but we all know very well he struggled to be consistent on the court and off throughout his time at Duke. Let's not pretend Quinn didn't seem like much more than a frustrating headcase before one of the greatest senior redemptions ever, either.
In Josh's case, we struggled to land any better bigs and he just didn't develop like we hoped. In Tyler's case, you have to be blinded by boxscores not to recognize and appreciate the intangibles he brought to the game. K said himself it was a shame that in Tyler he had an off-the-charts leader who wasn't a great player, but on the whole, doesn't that explain exactly why he played both as much as he did and as little as he did? There is an absolutely perfect balance of acknowledgement of Tyler's limitations and acknowledgement of his intangibles. Just as someone would be an idiot to ask why he didn't get 35+ minutes per game, you'd be an idiot if you were to question why he earned the time he did.
Are you seriously looking for gold stars when you make posts that are fine? Talk about wanting coddling...
Frank is a baller. Not only are his skills elite but physically he's so much more developed than Derryck. I'm interested to see how DT responds to the off season program bc remember he missed all of that.
My opinion is what most think, that Frank "will" exceed DT
My opinion is what most think, that Frank "will" exceed DT
At the end of the day, we all love Duke and we will all like certain players more than others. The guys just need to play some D and this team will be fine considering there are no superb tears this year.
I would argue he's the most composed and strongest psychologically. He's also been among the most consistent. There certain ly is room to argue he is the best or most important player.
I don't want this to seem like I took your post as a shot at him. I fully agree with you. Love the kid and what he does. Wish we had a whole team like him. Just wanted to piggyback on the praise aspect.
I'm getting a little concerned about DT, wonder how he's handling the grind. Doesn't seem to be having fun of late. Really forcing some shots makes me wonder if he's getting inpatient with his development or if he is completely buying in here???? Something just doesn't feel right.
And that's outa concern for the kid, not a complaint what so ever! I love everything the kid brings..... Well shot selection could use some work at times 
Leave Luke as the 6th man? Idk...If Luke improves as much as Grayson did after the season. Luke will be a bad bad man.
I think it's more impatience than anything. Kid like him comes in and is a stud in high school/AAU and he comes here and it's a totally different game. Give him time, he may be our diamond in the rough like Grayson was. Look what Grayson did in the tourney. He single-handedly won that title for us. DT could be that guy...
Jon Scheyer was a bad, bad man too and he played 6th man as a sophomore after starting his freshman year.
What does that even mean? Exceed how? Run the point? Not happening as frank isn't even a true pg now in HS. Can he play it some? Sure, but he isn't comfortable running a team the way Thornton is. DT is helping run a college team basically as a HS senior. Give the kid a break.
How do ignore people on here? Time to ignore get nasty; there is only so much ignorance i can deal with
Click on his name and you'll see "ignore" in the top right cornerHow do ignore people on here? Time to ignore get nasty; there is only so much ignorance i can deal with
Yeah, he was in a "2 steps forward, 1 step back" pattern for a while that was easy to rationalize as the result of not arriving at Duke until classes started, but now it seems like he's hitting the freshman wall all the same, just like any other freshman.
Is Matt hurt? His "struggles" seem to follow the report of him rolling an ankle in practice about a week or two ago?
Does Obi have bad knees? Twice now, I have read where he has knee issues. If so, is it an issue that could improve throughout the year which could lead to some kind of significant contribution from him?
Does Obi have bad knees? Twice now, I have read where he has knee issues. If so, is it an issue that could improve throughout the year which could lead to some kind of significant contribution from him?
Matt sprained an ankle about two weeks back. It's nothing very serious, but anyone whose had even a minor sprain knows that it can limit you for a while. That's not an excuse for his recent struggles, either. Matt would tell you it's on him and that he needs to be better.
Obi, from what I've gathered, started the year a little overweight. Does that go hand-in-hand with the knee issues we're hearing about? I'm not sure.
Obi, from what I've gathered, started the year a little overweight. Does that go hand-in-hand with the knee issues we're hearing about? I'm not sure.
How do ignore people on here? Time to ignore get nasty; there is only so much ignorance i can deal with
Ignorance and I spin things to fit my agenda?I say what I see, isn't that what we're supposed to do here? I'll be the first to admit there's a lot of people with much more knowledge of the "behind the scenes" at duke than I. When it comes to on the court critique, x's & o's, and healthy debate on items and information that's public knowledge, I may not be perfect or close to it but I understand the game very well. I'm not trying to toot my own horn but everyone has the choice to not care what I say or have a healthy debate. But it's pretty pathetic to just say you're wrong or that's stupid, or laughable without giving your own opinion.
Talking Matt and an Ankle sprain. Before I say anything. I 100% believe Matt needs to be playing heavy minutes on this years duke team for them to be successful, he just needs to play better. The fact that his ankle sprain is even brought up is laughable. Ankle sprains are annoying, unless they are a high sprain. Matt played 40 minutes, his ankle is fine. His ankle had nothing to do with the 2 fts or his decision making and shot at the end of the game.
You talk about Luke vs Matt and how Matt is better. I strongly disagree and will give reasons why. Matt is a ok player that doesn't make mistakes but against better teams especially athletic teams his D is maybe solid at best, he's far from a lock down defender. He also struggles to rebound. He's not gaining size, quickness, or athleticism overnight so similar to Marshall he needs to play with much more tenacity and energy when it comes to rebounding, the entire team does, you can't be passive. As for Luke, i was extremely confused and called him out for his shooting in the majority of the 2015 games earlier this season, but he was getting good minutes because he did a lot of other things. His defense isn't quite as good as matt's, but he's already a better rebounder, and if we even need to talk about the difference between their offensive games, than you'll be wasting my time, but i'll gladly debate it with you.
Matt is a great role player and the type of players that will do a couple critical things in a game to help you win. He's needed and asked to do way too much this year, it's not who he is but we have no better options. Next year I expect especially if allen stays, he'll be back to a more comfortable role within the team.
I get what you're saying GetNasty, but only in the first part of your post. There's room for more opinions than just the one's that will try and paint a pretty picture of this team. I don't think many people argue that. I know I don't.
But you have a pretty heavy insistence of thinking you're the one that's always right. Even in the post above, you didn't really state your opinions, you stated them as facts. It's just like how you went on a few weeks ago about "playing and dunking at that level" so you know more than someone else.
If you don't like other people's high and mighty way of thinking I'd suggest you look in the mirror and start there. It's not just them.
But you have a pretty heavy insistence of thinking you're the one that's always right. Even in the post above, you didn't really state your opinions, you stated them as facts. It's just like how you went on a few weeks ago about "playing and dunking at that level" so you know more than someone else.
If you don't like other people's high and mighty way of thinking I'd suggest you look in the mirror and start there. It's not just them.
I think Luke and Brandon are the most talented players on this squad. I'd play Luke 30 min plus because of his all around play. Matt has been big for us but he will lose his man in a heart beat on defense.
I don't think it's a heavy insistence of thinking i'm right but i've always liked to challenge people to look at things a different way than they may currently be looking at it. A good bit of that is my job, and also coaching and playing on teams.
The dunk comment was a complete joke because someone was calling me out for judging the game from my couch, when in reality I was at the game floor level, then the comments escalated a few levels because i was the all high mighty for being at the game now.
I think what peeves me the most is there are certain posters that don't want to get into a debate on something they disagree with. Typically those topics revolve around players that could be considered "coaches favorites" or is you use the word nonathletic, or phrase poor post development, etc . People don't want to admit that coaches will play favorites for one reason or another, it's not something that's wrong but it happens. It's not always the top 5 or 22 players that start and play the majority of the game. Some coaches it's the player that shows up first and leaves last that gets bonus points, others it's something they're promised, others it's their personal relationship, etc etc. It happens a lot.
One thing I am stubborn about, and it's probably wrong but I can't shake it is I firmly believe that if you haven't played or coached at a high level you're missing out on a level of understanding. My opinion right or wrong. I'm not looking for people to justify their opinion based on their "credentials" but at times you can sense who has played and who hasn't.