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catfan111

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Feb 1, 2007
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When are they gonna take football as serious as they do basketball. It's been like that for years, Rupp stays Bryant leaves. They throw fists full of cash basketballs way but you never read where they pump it into football. Joe Craft has his name on the basketball center. RJ Corman shelled out money and resources for Cal. If they went over Mitch's head to land Cal like everyone says then if they cared so much about football why isn't any of them going over his head for a football coach? They don't want football overshadowing their basketball and good ole boy network. Mitch is just the puppet in all this. Basketball has been more important to the money guys long before Mitch and till it changes at the top it will always be.
 

allabouttheUK

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Jan 28, 2015
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How many guys has UK put in the NFL? Why are they not stepping up to help? Plenty of rich dudes or wealthy dudes tied to the program, and they sit on their hands and do nothing. I think that concerns me more than and a bunch of blue hairs that only care about basketball.
 

kentuckyrld

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Mar 30, 2007
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When are they gonna take football as serious as they do basketball. It's been like that for years, Rupp stays Bryant leaves. They throw fists full of cash basketballs way but you never read where they pump it into football. Joe Craft has his name on the basketball center. RJ Corman shelled out money and resources for Cal. If they went over Mitch's head to land Cal like everyone says then if they cared so much about football why isn't any of them going over his head for a football coach? They don't want football overshadowing their basketball and good ole boy network. Mitch is just the puppet in all this. Basketball has been more important to the money guys long before Mitch and till it changes at the top it will always be.

It looks to me like they have thrown more money at the football program than they should. We have a new facilities and we have a coach with a buyout so big it can't be covered. How much more do you want them to give. Enough is enough. We should at least be seeing 6 wins per season with the money that has been spent.
 

allabouttheUK

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It looks to me like they have thrown more money at the football program than they should. We have a new facilities and we have a coach with a buyout so big it can't be covered. How much more do you want them to give. Enough is enough. We should at least be seeing 6 wins per season with the money that has been spent.

You completely missed his point.
 

GOCARDS6

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I have wondered this for my entire life, everyone knows football is the cash cow, especially in the SEC. Boosters are already rich so you think they would understand a business decision if nothing else when contributing to football. Maybe they are waiting for something they can "believe in"
 

RS73CAT

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Pretty sure a booster cannot direct where his money goes, unless it is a capital funding donation, for a building already approved by the school. This was discussed when Brooks was here. Someone suggested the fans collect monies at the football games, and give to UK for the recruiting room Brooks wanted. Wouldn't work for the above stated reason. Could be wrong, but I think that's what I read.
 
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GOCARDS6

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Id agree they probably don't get to say hey give this million here and this million there, but the university will want to keep them happy so i'm sure they have a decent amount of influence over what is done with the money just like every university.
 

olblue

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Aug 17, 2011
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When are they gonna take football as serious as they do basketball. It's been like that for years, Rupp stays Bryant leaves. They throw fists full of cash basketballs way but you never read where they pump it into football. Joe Craft has his name on the basketball center. RJ Corman shelled out money and resources for Cal. If they went over Mitch's head to land Cal like everyone says then if they cared so much about football why isn't any of them going over his head for a football coach? They don't want football overshadowing their basketball and good ole boy network. Mitch is just the puppet in all this. Basketball has been more important to the money guys long before Mitch and till it changes at the top it will always be.

Are you a booster?
 

olblue

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Aug 17, 2011
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How many guys has UK put in the NFL? Why are they not stepping up to help? Plenty of rich dudes or wealthy dudes tied to the program, and they sit on their hands and do nothing. I think that concerns me more than and a bunch of blue hairs that only care about basketball.

I always love threads totally dedicated to spending other people's money.

#feelthebern
 

allabouttheUK

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I always love threads totally dedicated to spending other people's money.

#feelthebern

This thread is about boosters. Boosters make or break college athletics. Up to this point there haven't been many boosters willing to throw down cash on UK football.
I can pitch in about $5.00, would be more but I'm not a CEO, pro athlete, etc.. It takes all I make working two jobs to pay the bills and feed a family of five on 1 income.
 

shutzhund

All-Conference
Nov 19, 2005
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When are they gonna take football as serious as they do basketball. It's been like that for years, Rupp stays Bryant leaves. They throw fists full of cash basketballs way but you never read where they pump it into football. Joe Craft has his name on the basketball center. RJ Corman shelled out money and resources for Cal. If they went over Mitch's head to land Cal like everyone says then if they cared so much about football why isn't any of them going over his head for a football coach? They don't want football overshadowing their basketball and good ole boy network. Mitch is just the puppet in all this. Basketball has been more important to the money guys long before Mitch and till it changes at the top it will always be.


It's a dammed conspiracy by the basketball underground. They and the CIA hate us.
 

gamalielkid

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Mar 21, 2002
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When are they gonna take football as serious as they do basketball. It's been like that for years, Rupp stays Bryant leaves. They throw fists full of cash basketballs way but you never read where they pump it into football. Joe Craft has his name on the basketball center. RJ Corman shelled out money and resources for Cal. If they went over Mitch's head to land Cal like everyone says then if they cared so much about football why isn't any of them going over his head for a football coach? They don't want football overshadowing their basketball and good ole boy network. Mitch is just the puppet in all this. Basketball has been more important to the money guys long before Mitch and till it changes at the top it will always be.

If we have powerful football boosters - then they are not getting their monies worth. However, they are at fault. The football program has suffered forever because of the apparent lack of leadership from the AD. It appears the best fix is to do as I and others have suggested in the past. Since Mitch is a sacred cow too to many, then name a Football Czar who has complete autonomy with the football program. That would make everyone happy - those who like what Mitch is doing could point to his other achievements and the football guys could have "their" guy. This cost would be peanuts to the potential buy out cost from making bad football hires and offerring terrible football contracts. A football "Czar" should be able to know all about football contractural matters, potential coaches, how to help the head coach and what to accept and not to accept. The horse may already be out of the barn this time - but let's stop butting our heads against the wall and fix it for the future!

Go Big Blue!
 

gamalielkid

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Didn't Couch lead the way with Stoops?

mrschwump, I assume you are directing this at my remarks. I believe he did. However, what kind of knowledge and input would/does Couch have on contracts, etc.? Plus he probably had to work within certain criteria he was told were must haves. I am not siding on either side of one Bobby Petrino - but we know that he was never going to be hired here - even though he might have been the one to lead the team to a SEC Championship or more. My point is, a football only responsbile guy would focus his ENTIRE time on making football the best. It may not have occurred to many people - but how many sports does the AD now overlook? Plus the job has grown into so much more than it used to be - it has to be competitive. Mitch Barnhart and probably most AD's don't have the necessary time to do the best for all sports.

Now let's look at one other thing. Seriously, how much of the income and expenses does the football generate and cost? Think about that fact? If you were the CEO of a big company that made many products - where would you focus your attention? The time has come for UK to make a move on this. At least from my perspective - UK has finally taken the steps facility wise to make UK football relevant.

I like to compare things to the purchase of a 747 airplane. I think it is an easy thought comparison as to what to do. Let's hire a captain with experience to fly the plane -and not try to train our Cessna Piper pilot to fly it! We can't afford to trash it or leave it grounded while the pilot learns how to take it off and fly in bad weather.

Go Big Blue!
 

Mr Schwump

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Nov 4, 2006
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mrschwump, I assume you are directing this at my remarks. I believe he did. However, what kind of knowledge and input would/does Couch have on contracts, etc.? Plus he probably had to work within certain criteria he was told were must haves. I am not siding on either side of one Bobby Petrino - but we know that he was never going to be hired here - even though he might have been the one to lead the team to a SEC Championship or more. My point is, a football only responsbile guy would focus his ENTIRE time on making football the best. It may not have occurred to many people - but how many sports does the AD now overlook? Plus the job has grown into so much more than it used to be - it has to be competitive. Mitch Barnhart and probably most AD's don't have the necessary time to do the best for all sports.

Now let's look at one other thing. Seriously, how much of the income and expenses does the football generate and cost? Think about that fact? If you were the CEO of a big company that made many products - where would you focus your attention? The time has come for UK to make a move on this. At least from my perspective - UK has finally taken the steps facility wise to make UK football relevant.

I like to compare things to the purchase of a 747 airplane. I think it is an easy thought comparison as to what to do. Let's hire a captain with experience to fly the plane -and not try to train our Cessna Piper pilot to fly it! We can't afford to trash it or leave it grounded while the pilot learns how to take it off and fly in bad weather.

Go Big Blue!

kid, not directly to you but just in general. I guess what I meant is/was Couch is about the only booster I recall being mentioned in any recent UK football coaching hire, Brooks, Phillips, Stoops.
 

gamalielkid

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kid, not directly to you but just in general. I guess what I meant is/was Couch is about the only booster I recall being mentioned in any recent UK football coaching hire, Brooks, Phillips, Stoops.

I agree with you. I appreciate the info, I just think we need to make a move on the football operations and seperate it from the AD at this point in town.

Go Big Blue!
 
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gomminit33

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Dec 20, 2011
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Does UK really have very many big money boosters? I am betting there are very few compared to other schools.
 

Xception

Heisman
Apr 17, 2007
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Why does it matter if football is the cash cow , boosters don't get a return of that money . They support what they like and UK has this massive athletics budget , so why do we need boosters anyway .
 

ZakkW

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May 22, 2002
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I believe it's fairly well known that Mitch the Pious alienated many boosters when he first got here by the direction of Lee the Todd.
 
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dallasg23

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Aug 15, 2013
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when uk football shows some sort of success and excitement that we get every November and march with basketball
 

zcats

Heisman
May 29, 2001
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Pretty sure a booster cannot direct where his money goes, unless it is a capital funding donation, for a building already approved by the school. This was discussed when Brooks was here. Someone suggested the fans collect monies at the football games, and give to UK for the recruiting room Brooks wanted. Wouldn't work for the above stated reason. Could be wrong, but I think that's what I read.
This is an internal rule made by Mitch I believe. Got to keep control.
 
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DACats86

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Jan 7, 2003
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This is an internal rule made by Mitch I believe. Got to keep control.
Yep. There was a booster that made a fairly large contribution to UK during Brooks' tenure with the intent that the money be used for the recruiting room. When the recruiting room was shelved., the money went to the general athletic fund.
 

BluffaloSlim

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What if the boosters know no matter how much money they throw at UK football, they won't see a comprimable return.

Put yourself in the boosters shoes.. Give money to UK for the buyout then Mitch hires some blowhole.. Or the candidate you (the booster) want isn't interested in the UK job.

It's not as easy as "Let's throw money at the problem and everything will turn around"
 
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UKWinsAgainYep

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Nov 11, 2014
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It just seems the average IQ level of people at UK is significantly lower than schools like UL and every place in the SEC.

Just the fact that we can't even field a better football program than WKU and UL should tell you something about the average IQ Level involved at UK.
 
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NCukcat62

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Jul 22, 2007
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I guarantee you that boosters will begin to donate to football if we had a coach that won some games and had a serious AD. Basketball has been given more because they have proved the program has stayed atop the basketball world. This is several generations of greatness. Think Alabama football if you don't get why our basketball program gets more.
 

IHATEUAVEL

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Aug 11, 2015
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I have wondered this for my entire life, everyone knows football is the cash cow, especially in the SEC. Boosters are already rich so you think they would understand a business decision if nothing else when contributing to football. Maybe they are waiting for something they can "believe in"
Screw uavel
 

TeoJ

Heisman
Oct 19, 2001
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Pretty sure a booster cannot direct where his money goes, unless it is a capital funding donation, for a building already approved by the school. This was discussed when Brooks was here. Someone suggested the fans collect monies at the football games, and give to UK for the recruiting room Brooks wanted. Wouldn't work for the above stated reason. Could be wrong, but I think that's what I read.




If I was a booster and was going to give five million to the football program and the AD told me I couldn't but could give to the regular fund,I would thank him for making my mind up to keep my money.
 

RonEJones

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What if the boosters know no matter how much money they throw at UK football, they won't see a comprimable return.

Put yourself in the boosters shoes.. Give money to UK for the buyout then Mitch hires some blowhole.. Or the candidate you (the booster) want isn't interested in the UK job.

It's not as easy as "Let's throw money at the problem and everything will turn around"

Agreed, Slim. Who is pulling the strings is just as important as having the cash.

Most successful people have money for a reason and even though they are mega-fans, expect a return on that investment. Not many smart people who understand FB AND want to win are going to hand Barney cash for FB.
 
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BlueVelvetFog

Heisman
Apr 12, 2016
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I guarantee you that boosters will begin to donate to football if we had a coach that won some games and had a serious AD. Basketball has been given more because they have proved the program has stayed atop the basketball world. This is several generations of greatness. Think Alabama football if you don't get why our basketball program gets more.
Don't get the comparison