Bost and Osby make me really appreciate Stewart and Varnado.

Hanmudog

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Barry and Jarvis never had these ridiculous delusions of grandeur or had the need to "showcase their skills". They just loved Mississippi State. They put up with the **** our fans gave them sometimes. They put up with Stansbury's crap. They put up with Bost, Kodi, and Ravern's attitudes.

Bost had every opportunity in the world to succeed at MSU. If he left because of Stansbury's offense then he would have transferred to another coach. That theory is pull horseshit. Bottom line was that Bost was a selfish prick who just shat on our team and our school.

Osby seemed like a good kid but he had opportunities to show what he could do and he failed miserably. Most notably when Ravern was out and Osby got the start. He pissed away that chance and has no one to blame but himself.

Jarvis and Barry are the ONLY two guys I will miss next season.
 

Hanmudog

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Barry and Jarvis never had these ridiculous delusions of grandeur or had the need to "showcase their skills". They just loved Mississippi State. They put up with the **** our fans gave them sometimes. They put up with Stansbury's crap. They put up with Bost, Kodi, and Ravern's attitudes.

Bost had every opportunity in the world to succeed at MSU. If he left because of Stansbury's offense then he would have transferred to another coach. That theory is pull horseshit. Bottom line was that Bost was a selfish prick who just shat on our team and our school.

Osby seemed like a good kid but he had opportunities to show what he could do and he failed miserably. Most notably when Ravern was out and Osby got the start. He pissed away that chance and has no one to blame but himself.

Jarvis and Barry are the ONLY two guys I will miss next season.
 

maroonmania

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He is a guy that likely has a much higher opinion of his basketball talent than is reality because he was hyped pretty good as a HS senior and had some big time offers. Osby can do some things and I certainly wish he was still on our team but the biggest issue with him is that he is not really great at any aspect of the game. He is a decent rebounder, decent shooter, decent defender along with being a terrible ballhandler. Osby doesn't have any aspect of the game though that he truly excels at and therein lies his problem with playing time. Can't really see him being any more than a journeyman player anywhere in a BCS type league. We definitely needed him on our team just because we are short on bigger bodies and he was one of the few true forwards on the team. Losing him will just make it that much harder for us to match up with teams that have a real physical inside presence (like UNC had in the NIT game).
 

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I do appreciate it when kids stay for their senior year. I think that Bost is making a mistake and had every opportuntity to do great things at MSU. Osby would have seen a lot more playing time this year. You just never know how it will play out. I personally think it shows a lack of maturity, but once again, it's their lives to do as they please.
 

Coach34

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maroonmania said:
He is a guy that likely has a much higher opinion of his basketball talent than is reality because he was hyped pretty good as a HS senior and had some big time offers. Osby can do some things and I certainly wish he was still on our team but the biggest issue with him is that he is not really great at any aspect of the game. He is a decent rebounder, decent shooter, decent defender along with being a terrible ballhandler. Osby doesn't have any aspect of the game though that he truly excels at and therein lies his problem with playing time. Can't really see him being any more than a journeyman player anywhere in a BCS type league. We definitely needed him on our team just because we are short on bigger bodies and he was one of the few true forwards on the team. Losing him will just make it that much harder for us to match up with teams that have a real physical inside presence (like UNC had in the NIT game).


That "decent shooter" had the 3rd best shooting percentage on the team- and he led us in 3pt shooting at 41%...while it was on limited number of shots, it does make one wonder why he didnt get to shoot more...playing time maybe? You think that maybe if he was used correctly and coached a little we would have gotten more out of him?

All this **** is just hilarious. You people were saying he was a SWAC player when he announced he was leaving, then he transfers to Tech to play in a better league and a better program.
 

Hanmudog

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Your first paragraph was great.

The rest was typical excuse making.

I did not make any excuses. I just said that the theory that Bost just did not like the offense is a load of crap otherwise he would have just transferred to a better system like Osby did. By leaving to probably end up in the Ukrainian league just shows that he is all about himself. The image of Bost I remember most from his stay at MSU is him yelling at Varnado after Bost took a stupid shot at the end of a half and Varnado let him know it. Bost was immature and could not handle the slightest criticism.

Osby has no excuse because he failed when given the chance.
 

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...but this basketball program will never, ever, ever get to the next level like this. You can't have random players leaving almost every year. When it takes years to recruit kids and form relationships with them, and you can't even count on two sophomores to stay for 3 years, there are major, major problems.

Next season will be a lame duck situation. I am ready for a change.

Richard Delk, Reginald Delk, Ben Hansborough, Dee Bost, Romero Osby, Gary Ervin, Jerrell Houston, Walter Sharpe, and Robert Jackson can't all be the worst and most delusional kids in college basketball that we are so unlucky to have on our team. There is only one constant.
 

Dental Dawg

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I learned a long time ago that I <span style="text-decoration:underline">SHOULD NOT</span> let what happens in MSU athletics bother me. It hasn't worked yet but I'm still trying to work on this.
 

maroonmania

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he was made out to be coming out of HS. I will be very surprised if he goes to a tougher league like the ACC as has any real impact. For our own situation there is no doubt that we are going to miss him and I certainly think he is much better than a SWAC level player but, as stated, I expected much more out of him when he signed.
 

patdog

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But at the same time, I'm not about to wish someone well who screwed us.
 

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It's an excuse because it's all Dee's and Osby's fault and not the staff's. I disagree. I think it went down like this. Dee is sick of the MSU situation. He did not believe he would receive the instruction needed to improve his stock over the next two years, so he said screw it, I am out. As for where he goes, why would he want to transfer? If his aspiration is to play in the NBA, what's going to be better - sitting out a year in order to play another year or two of college ball, or leave and start trying to play overseas or in the D-league or whatever? Can you really say that one is better than the other? Yeah, maybe the choice was selfish. I also think given a similar situation in our careers, many of us would do the same.

Osby never had a fair chance. For all the complaining about Kodi, why didn't Osby play more? For all the complaining about Phil at the 4, why didn't Osby play more? The only stat Osby doesn't match up favorably with those two is turnovers, and not to make EXCUSES, but sometimes more minutes give you more comfort on the court, and you aren't pressing and making dumb turnovers. The bottom line on Osby is he was misused and underused by Stansbury and the staff. I don't think he was first team all SEC or anything like that, but he was at least as good an option at the 4 as Kodi and Turner, yet they played 50% more minutes than he did.
 

Thefarside

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Remember Russell Walters from a few years ago? Didn't care about scoring - only hellacious defense and rebounding. That's what a good college player should concentrate on. Too many of these prima donnas think that scoring and 'showing-out' is the way to go. Wrong!
 

DAWG101

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Bost might have read this board after the first Kentucky game and saw eveyone calling him the second coming of Jamont Gordon (ball hog). Who shot most of the illadivsed three pointers in this offense? I'll give you a hint, he wont be on the team next year.
 

Coach34

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why in the hell did Bost want to transfer and commit himself to at least another 2 years in college? Osby has to because he hasnt played enough, but not Bost. And if he doesnt feel like Stansbury and the Three Stooges can help him get to where he wants to go, why not go this route?
 

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Coach34 said:
That "decent shooter" had the 3rd best shooting percentage on the team- and he led us in 3pt shooting at 41%...while it was on limited number of shots, it does make one wonder why he didnt get to shoot more...playing time maybe? You think that maybe if he was used correctly and coached a little we would have gotten more out of him?
Numbers are fun. Sure he led the team in 3pt %, but he also went 9 CONFERENCE games without even making a 3pt shot. 9 conference games. What the F good does leading the team in % do when he doesnt make a single one during a streak that last for half our conference games?

You did say it was on a limited number of shots, and i agree he probably didnt shoot more because his playing time was limited. Combine that with the fact that it seemed he was yanked out at the first bad decision he made, it doesnt set up for many shooting opportunities.
But at the same time, if it was that limited, and effectivly that useless in games, then why even tout it as an accomplishment and a point?

He went on a streak that lasted half the damn conference where he didnt even make a single 3...a good shooter simply doesnt do that.
During the season, you also kept pointing to Kodi as the best outside shooter %wiseas justification for his absurdly ****** decision to continually jack up terrible 3pt shots early in the shot clock.

You know stats dont tell all the truth, or even most of it at times, yet when it suits you, you cling to them with a death grip.

Osby was a decent shooter. He was nowhere near close to being a bad shooter, but he was hardly a great shooter.

And how exactly should he have been used? I agree he wasnt used effectively, but really how should he have been used? Coming out of HS, he said he was a point-forward. So that would be how we should use him...according to him. Yet he couldnt handle the ball worth a damn, so clearly that wasnt an option. He also said he was a good shooter(and statistically, he was), yet he was inconsistent at best from outside, so that wasnt a great option. Tossed into the paint both as a Freshman and Soph, he looked out of place and soft. I cant think of any post moves he has, thats how ineffective he was down low.
The only real time i thought he was excellent was when he was roaming and coming into the lane from outside. Yes he charged at times, but he had that little spin move that i really think he would have made effective with another year's experience. And he could come in from the outside to try and clean up missed shots...that was when he was most effective.

So he couldnt be a point-forward which is what he saw himself as, he was inconsistent from the outside, and he was non-existent when in the paint. Really, where else should he have been used?

I ask this while fully agreeing he wasnt used effectively. But i dont think its for lack of trying him at multiple positions/roles.
 

Coach34

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Thefarside said:
Remember Russell Walters from a few years ago? Didn't care about scoring - only hellacious defense and rebounding. That's what a good college player should concentrate on. Too many of these prima donnas think that scoring and 'showing-out' is the way to go. Wrong!


These guys arent looking for a good college career, they are majoring in basketball. And just like engineering majors or vet school majors, they want to be able to get a good job in their chosen field.
 

Hanmudog

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You guys accuse me of making excuses for Stansbury while yall are busy making excuses for Bost and Osby. Oh the irony.

What were Romero's stats in the games that he started? He really showcased those mad skillz didn't he?

Furthermore, if you think Bost has a better chance of making it to the NBA by playing in front of a bunch of goats and sheepherders in the Ukraine than playing at Mississippi State then you need therapy for your Stans hate.
 

Coach34

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but it's not a great chance...all the more reason to go ahead and get started in Europe...
 

Hanmudog

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Bost will likely be in Asia playing and there is no damn way Bost would make a better pro than Gordon. Jamont would freaking kill Bost.
 

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Hanmudog said:
You guys accuse me of making excuses for Stansbury while yall are busy making excuses for Bost and Osby. Oh the irony.

What were Romero's stats in the games that he started? He really showcased those mad skillz didn't he?

Furthermore, if you think Bost has a better chance of making it to the NBA by playing <font color="#ff0000">in front of a bunch of goats and sheepherders</font> in the Ukraine than playing at Mississippi State then you need therapy for your Stans hate.
 

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all the more reason to go ahead and get started in Europe...
Here's a little math to support: Say you can realisitically play professional basketball until you are 30. Say you are a good basketball player, but not really a NBA-type talent. Sure, you may get lucky and catch someone's eye while playing for pennies in the D-League, and make the end of an NBA bench for the league minimum ~500k. But, you'll have to deal with 10-day contracts and rookies trying to take your spot. The likelihood of catching on there isn't that great.

BUT, you can go to Europe and make, say, 200k per year. If you are destined for Europe anyway, why would you relegate yourself to working 8 years by starting at the age of 22, as opposed to working 10 years by starting at the age of 20? Assuming you make a steady 200k/year, that's a 400k difference. Also, you are going to get to your second and third contracts sooner, meaning more lucrative contracts sooner (while you're in your prime).

Like you said - all the more reason to go ahead and get started making money.
 

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[b said:
Hanmudog[/b]]Bost had every opportunity in the world to succeed at MSU. If he left because of Stansbury's offense then he would have transferred to another coach. That theory is pull horseshit. Bottom line was that Bost was a selfish prick who just shat on our team and our school.

Osby seemed like a good kid but he had opportunities to show what he could do and he failed miserably. Most notably when Ravern was out and Osby got the start. He pissed away that chance and has no one to blame but himself.

Jarvis and Barry are the ONLY two guys I will miss next season.
Bost was a good PG with a chance to be a great one, but he knew next year that it was going to be The Renardo Sidney Show, and he wanted no part of it. Stans will let Sidney run next year's team, just like J-Money did, never worring about being yanked for a bad decision on teh court. The diffence is that Sidney is not a 6"4 power forward, but a 6"11 point forward and is the "second coming of Magic Johnson".

Stans pulled Osbyafter one mistake on the court and sat his *** down. Osby was always looking over his shoulder and second guessing himself, that is no way to play and only hinders your ability to make plays on the court.Romero is a good player, but Stans has once again failed to develop a good high school talent and let him waste away on the bench.

Osby said he struggled finding his rhythm as a player in the four out/one in based sets because he felt uncomfortable on the perimeter as much as the offense called for. “I felt a lot last season that I could post up my guy who was usually 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and get easy buckets that way but I never had the opportunity,”

Despite the lack of depth in the frontcourt experience coming back next year, Osby told The Starkville Daily News he was convinced he wouldn’t be considered for significant minutes during the 2010-11 season.
“I had given it two years and it didn’t seem like it was going to get any better for me,” Osby said. “I understand that young players need to wait their turn but this wasn’t going to work out.”

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That wasn't happening at MSU, whatever you think the reason was.

I question how effective he's going to be in Europe b/c I don't think his game lends itself to that style, but at the same time, that will force him to work on his weaknesses. He needs to be able to shoot, learn to (or show that he can) run an offense, and improve his decision making. If he had stayed a couple of more years in college, he might would have improved enough that somebody would have taken a flyer onhimlooking for a pg to stick on the bench. If he goes somewhere to play pro ball, he can make a little money now, improve as much as (and likely more than)he would have in college, and if he's good, scouts will find him. The only risk is that he gets buried on a pro team, so instead of getting game time experience, he's simply practicing and working out (on the other hand if he can't play on a pro team somewhere, I'm not sure there's ever a chance he'll make it).

Bottom line, I don't think he's going to make it regardless, but if he gets on with a pro team in Europe, I don't think he's hurt his chances at making the NBA.

ETA: Intended to reply to Hanmudog. Don't know how I screwed that up.
 

Coach34

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Jamont isnt quick enough to guard Bost either


Bost is simply a better PG- he shoots it better from outside, shoots FT's better, he also had more assists and 45 less TO's than Jamont while playing in 7 more games in his 1st 2 seasons than Jamont did
 

patdog

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His points, rebounds, assists, assist/turnover ratio, shooting percentage, 3-point shooting percentage, FT percentageall improved from his FR season to his SO season. Exactly how is that not getting better?
 

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“I felt a lot last season that I could post up my guy who was usually 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and get easy buckets that way but I never had the opportunity,”
Problem was, he couldn't without turning the ball over.
 

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Hanmudog[/b]]Bost will likely be in Asia playing and there is no damn way Bost would make a better pro than Gordon. Jamont would freaking kill Bost.

Bost actually has a position at the professional level, he is a real PG, not an under-sized PF playing as a point guard. Bost just needs a little more time to develop his game, too bad he is not going to be doing that in S-Vegas...
 

Hanmudog

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fishwater99 said:
[b said:
Hanmudog[/b]]Bost will likely be in Asia playing and there is no damn way Bost would make a better pro than Gordon. Jamont would freaking kill Bost.

Bost actually has a position at the professional level, he is a real PG, not an under-sized PF playing as a point guard. Bost just needs a little more time to develop his game, too bad he is not going to be doing that in S-Vegas...

Dee Bost will never....repeat...never....play a single minute in the NBA. I am not saying he sucks because he was a good player for us, but the NBA is not exactly fawning over 6-2 guards that shoot under 40%, pout on the bench,and have trouble making decisions on the fast break. Bost is no more athlettically gifted than any of the other 300 guys in the NBA.

You guys are just trying so hard to make Dee into something he is not.
 

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,or shoot with a hand in his face for that matter. .He was a basic spot up shooter. How many times did you see Osby catch a pass, pump fake , dribble twice, then hit a shot? none . He didn't have that in his game.

He also couldn't knock a shot down with a hand in his face. Ravern has that ability to get up over a defender and knock down a shot with a hand in his face because of his length.
 

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...Sidney playing would not have effected Bost next year. Bost still controls the ball and offense being the point guard. I think the dude left just because he is delusional, tired of studying, and wants to make money. It is that simple.

Osby leaving is probably about having to play behind the ego of Sidney and the mouth of Augustus. We could argue all day long about how talented Osby is vs Augustus and Ravern. However, I imagine the dude got tired of doing what he was told, keeping his mouth shut, and sitting on the bench to watch the drama of those three. I imagine Osby had a Mitch's rant from Waiting before he left the team.

One of you mad photoshoppers should take the video and put Osby's face on Mitch's. Then put August, Sidney, Ravern, Bost, Stans on the others. Wish I knew how.
 

mstateglfr

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Sure, i could see that possibly happening...the only hitch in that theory is that Osby and Sidney are buds. They have been for years now.
 

brantleyjones

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about the part about Bost and Renardo. Bost should have stuck around for another year to feed Sidney. Didn't Zim almost make it to the NBA passing the ball to Mario? Passing the ball, it's what most NBA point guards do, including the first coming of Magic Johnson.

It will be interesting to watch. Will point forward Renardo ever pass the ball to Kodi, considering his chances of ever getting it back? The reverse? Will they fight over who's going to bring the ball up court and launch the 3? Will Kodi continue to try to drive to the basket from the top of the key, even though he dribbles no better than Osby or Ravern?

And how many talented high school forwards has Stansbury previously allowed to waste away on the bench?