BOT Subcommittee Voted to Remove Barry Fenchak from Alumni Trustee Ballot

Bison13

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The well-heeled don’t need. The well-heeled laugh at aid.
the amount of aid they give is criminal. I grew up getting free lunches at school, turned in fafsa, got zero from PSU, no pell grants or anything like that. Had to take out loans as did my parents, it was pretty sad that they gave nothing need based or academic based for a kid with a 4.0 and top 1% SAT scores. I could have gone to numerous places for free but wanted to go to PSU and my parents wanted me to go there too so we made it work but damn there was no way so many students like myself should have had to pay that much.
 

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the amount of aid they give is criminal. I grew up getting free lunches at school, turned in fafsa, got zero from PSU, no pell grants or anything like that. Had to take out loans as did my parents, it was pretty sad that they gave nothing need based or academic based for a kid with a 4.0 and top 1% SAT scores. I could have gone to numerous places for free but wanted to go to PSU and my parents wanted me to go there too so we made it work but damn there was no way so many students like myself should have had to pay that much.
I can certainly relate. We made it work and came out with ~70k in loans. I can't imagine doing the same thing today and starting out a career with ~220k in loans. Insane.
 

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the amount of aid they give is criminal. I grew up getting free lunches at school, turned in fafsa, got zero from PSU, no pell grants or anything like that. Had to take out loans as did my parents, it was pretty sad that they gave nothing need based or academic based for a kid with a 4.0 and top 1% SAT scores. I could have gone to numerous places for free but wanted to go to PSU and my parents wanted me to go there too so we made it work but damn there was no way so many students like myself should have had to pay that much.
No Honors College? That’s the main source of academic awards that PSU offers.

Also Pell Grants are provided by the Federal government. If you didn’t qualify for them it was because of your family’s income and info on FAFSA and nothing to
do with PSU.

I don’t dispute that PSU is stingy with both need based and academic aid but that’s pretty typical at most flagship public schools. PSU is not the significant outlier that some on here make it out to be. The one place where PSU sticks out is in state tuition where it is definitely high for a flagship.
 

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No Honors College? That’s the main source of academic awards that PSU offers.

Also Pell Grants are provided by the Federal government. If you didn’t qualify for them it was because of your family’s income and info on FAFSA and nothing to
do with PSU.

I don’t dispute that PSU is stingy with both need based and academic aid but that’s pretty typical at most flagship public schools. PSU is not the significant outlier that some on here make it out to be. The one place where PSU sticks out is in state tuition where it is definitely high for a flagship.

Wouldn’t it depend if he went to PSU before or after 1980?
 

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I don't think that's particularly accurate in terms of out of state students. From what I've seen - have a high schooler so am deep into researching colleges - PSU is pretty typical when it comes to out of state costs for a flagship.

Big 10 Costs and Aid, 2023-24​


SchoolPublic or PrivateCOA In StateCOA Out of StateAvg Need-Based AwardAvg Merit Aid Award
COA
In State
COA Out
of State
NeedMerit
University of Southern CaliforniaPrivate$95,225$95,225$63,884$18,463
Northwestern UniversityPrivate$86,907$86,907$63,954$32,431
University of MichiganPublic$36,932$80,142$26,947$4,387
University of WashingtonPublic$35,305$65,541$17,794$3,841
University of California, Los AngelesPublic$31,532$64,106$26,566$7,455
University of Maryland, College ParkPublic$31,730$61,108$13,412$6,733
University of Wisconsin-MadisonPublic$30,008$61,106$20,697$7,224
University of OregonPublic$29,891$56,334$13,059$6,255
The Ohio State University at ColumbusPublic$27,982$54,760$16,449$6,789
Michigan State UniversityPublic$28,559$54,455$16,453$4,547
Indiana University BloomingtonPublic$24,842$53,534$14,753$5.955
Rutgers University - New BrunswickPublic$33,643$53,155$12,766$11,021
Penn State University ParkPublic$32,656$52,610$10,885$5,266
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities CampusPublic$28,524$48,438$16,337$5,366
The University of IowaPublic$23,396$45,539$14,150$6,027
University of Illinois at Urbana-ChampaignPublic$26,028$44,000$19,449$6,345
Purdue UniversityPublic$22,812$41,614$12,143$6,162
University of Nebraska-LincolnPublic$21,400$38,530$16,278$8,2

Source: https://www.road2college.com/big-10-schools/

The in state costs are high, but that's always been the case, given the specifics of PSU being state related vs state run like the PASSHE schools.
Scanned the piece, but didn’t see definitions around aid stats. I assume those averages for those that received each type of aid (?). If that’s true it’s hard to digest unless you have the share of students receiving each type.
 

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I think it's more of Penn State not prioritizing financial aid in their fundraising. Those old rich elite schools have a Iot of unrestricted endowments. Guessing that PSU's are largely earmarked. I suppose it's sexier to convince donors to slap their name on a building or endow a chair, etc. than it is to convince them to donate to an anonymous financial aid pool.
Back in the day, we were seriously considering endowing a scholarship--likely at/for PSU Ogontz (now Abington) as a scholarship there (Sutherland Scholarship) really made a big, big difference for me and my family back in the mid-1970s. But with all the recent nonsense going on with both the Alumni Association (and I was once a chapter president and an admissions volunteer) and the current BOT, our money went elsewhere, to an named (after Mrs KG's grandmother) endowment for elephants at the Indianapolis Zoo.

And no, it has nothing to do with Joe. I likely would have considered following what the Paterno family has done were it not for all of the undemocratic and secretive machinations of the current BOT (and AA). And we did give sufficient amounts through the previous years to cover what I'd gotten in scholarship monies.
 

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Back in the day, we were seriously considering endowing a scholarship--likely at/for PSU Ogontz (now Abington) as a scholarship there (Sutherland Scholarship) really made a big, big difference for me and my family back in the mid-1970s. But with all the recent nonsense going on with both the Alumni Association (and I was once a chapter president and an admissions volunteer) and the current BOT, our money went elsewhere, to an named (after Mrs KG's grandmother) endowment for elephants at the Indianapolis Zoo.

And no, it has nothing to do with Joe. I likely would have considered following what the Paterno family has done were it not for all of the undemocratic and secretive machinations of the current BOT (and AA). And we did give sufficient amounts through the previous years to cover what I'd gotten in scholarship monies.
I understand. The only donations that I have ever made to Penn State was to the Libraries fundraiser for the expansion in the late 90s and I give to the Libraries General Collections fund every year. I started working for the libraries as a student in 1993.

If I ever had the opportunity to make a large donation it would be to the Schreyer Scholarship Fund as I was a recipient when I was a student and I've always dreamt of starting a scholarship for study abroad within the Stuckeman School.
 
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I understand. The only donations that I have ever made to Penn State was to the Libraries fundraiser for the expansion in the late 90s and I give to the Libraries General Collections fund every year. I started working for the libraries as a student in 1993.

If I ever had the opportunity to make a large donation it would be to the Schreyer Scholarship Fund as I was a recipient when I was a student and I've always dreamt of starting a scholarship for study abroad within the Stuckeman School.
I did also make a donation of books to their SF library. Unfortunately, these days, they are "deaccessing" a lot of books. No room, supposedly. So are libraries around the country. I think there's one small shelf of SF in my local branch.
 

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I did also make a donation of books to their SF library. Unfortunately, these days, they are "deaccessing" a lot of books. No room, supposedly. So are libraries around the country. I think there's one small shelf of SF in my local branch.

Shelf space is real estate. Duplicates, older, and low use items are always ripe for weeding, especially general interest items.
 

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Shelf space is real estate. Duplicates, older, and low use items are always ripe for weeding, especially general interest items.
True--but if you only have one bookcase for SF--and that's small, no more than 3 ft wide, I begin to wonder. Much of the space in my local branch is reading areas and computers and community meeting rooms. Also, a university library is a research library. Low use there does not mean no use. Its hard top predict in advance where research might take one.
 

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True--but if you only have one bookcase for SF--and that's small, no more than 3 ft wide, I begin to wonder. Much of the space in my local branch is reading areas and computers and community meeting rooms. Also, a university library is a research library. Low use there does not mean no use. Its hard top predict in advance where research might take one.
PSU has over two million low use items housed in three storage facilities. One on campus and two warehouses at CATO park. They're finishing up the new 12' high, compact shelving at the two CATO warehouses to increase capacity. All items are available by request. Book chapters and journal articles are typically scanned.
 

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Think this is worthy of it's own thread, since the other thread that Barry stated today was in anticipation of what would happen.

They screened something like 19 candidates that met all of the other criteria. 18 were included, but they voted to remove Barry from the ballot.

I said in the other thread on this...

I believe it ended up being 19 candidates that they reviewed. 16 of them were added unopposed. 2 were objected to due to lack of experience, but they didn't have the 2/3 majority to strike them down (Jay voted to keep both of them on the ballot, Ali voted against one of them). And then Barry was the one removed. The optics of this are horrific, but it seems that the BOT answers to no one, and does whatever the hell they want without fear of consequences.

Really not sure where to go from here...this one really is a complete disgrace. I'm not a PA resident so I don't have a congressman to call. As an alum of PSU that has given my fair share of $, has a wardrobe consisting of more PSU stuff than anyone i know, spends a lot of time rooting on and supporting our sports teams, etc, this strikes deep. The BOT doesn't like one of the Trustees, so they come up with new by-laws and find a way to remove him? Hell, I voted against Barry the last go-around, so I'm huge from a Barry supporter. But I am a big supporter in lowering costs, transparency, stopping the "ole boys" network that's running things, etc...so Barry would have gotten my vote.

This really might have been the final straw for me with my alma mater. Absolutely disgraceful that this committee of 9 gets to decide who I'm even able to vote for to represent me. Unfortunately, 95+% of alumni don't know or care about this...but I'm completely shocked that it could really come to this. Any chance that existed of me sending either of my kids to PSU just went out the window today.
Shame on them!
 

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I agree... it's despicable. Those who care and you are right not many care need to call their congressmen and complain. It's unreal what the PSU BOT has become which is basically a bunch of thugs strong arming their will on any and everything. Alumni should be outraged but alas not many care about their alma mater. They have graduated and don't want to get involved in the politics, just go and enjoy sporting events when they want. Maybe the rest of us shouldn't care either and move on. It's a shame what has become of PSU and the back room politics so the hogs can keep feeding at the trough.
All stems to autumn 2011.
 

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Maybe it’s time to start the phone lines buzzing in Harrisburg to push for complete reform of the PSU BoT.




Governor office phone line (per online contact form)- 717-787-2500
Governor is a major part of the problem…only state of 50 that gratuitously attacks flagship university.
 

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Could be. In 4 years, I NEVER went. But I hear good things.
I made it there once (and don’t remember why). I’ve stepped thru the doors of Pattee twice…one on my tour, and that one time I researched something in the stacks.

I will mention that I spent some time in the Math library in McAllister (throwing that in so that my mother isn’t totally disappointed in me).
 
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I made it there once (and don’t remember why). I’ve stepped thru the doors of Pattee twice…one on my tour, and that one time I researched something in the stacks.

I will mention that I spent some time in the Math library in McAllister (throwing that in so that my mother isn’t totally disappointed in me).
I had Math 220, Linear Algebra, in McAllister. It was funny to hear the young Russian TA say 'eigenvector'
 
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