BOT Subcommittee Voted to Remove Barry Fenchak from Alumni Trustee Ballot
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Anything related to Paterno is well down my list of concerns/priorities (and I'll say that the 2011 board did what they felt they had to do in a really difficult spot which is understandable, even though I feel that they handled it horribly).
My #1 concern with PSU today is affordability...and those on the board that give a crap about affordability seem to be few and far between. And #2 for a good board would be transparency...and it's another area where they are failing miserably.
@Moogy - Are you in favor of the decision that the Chairman of the BOT appoints a sub-committee of 9 to determine if alumni should be able to vote for a candidate that otherwise met the criteria to appear on the ballot?
And stepping back...do you feel that PSU is affordable today, and the BOT is on the right track to keeping it affordable? (or I guess the answer may be that affordability isn't a concern of yours)
not a PA residentMaybe it’s time to start the phone lines buzzing in Harrisburg to push for complete reform of the PSU BoT.
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Other than football, I've become numb to all or most things Penn State. They long ago lost all credibility with me.
That's great. Talk to the state legislature, and your governor (and past iterations of same) ... they've been failing at properly funding education for quite some time.
How so? How is their transparency lacking, vis-a-vis peer groups?
Yes, why wouldn't I be? How is it different than how peers have operated for quite some time now?
Affordability is in the eye of the beholder.
The state has largely abandoned PSU, and that's where the comparative lack of affordability has arisen. College itself is largely less affordable, in comparison to the recent past. Controlling for lack of state funding, PSU hasn't lost affordability vis-a-vis its competition in that time, but ... yes, it could definitely be more efficient and more affordable, and I don't see any evidence that the university is abandoning the quest to maintain budgetary integrity while improving the educational experience ... but the singular focus on that aspect (this costs too much! we need to cut costs! nothing can happen until we cut all costs! I'm going to rant and rave about costs no matter what else is happening!), and placing the blame solely at the feet of the BoT, is folly. It's old man yelling at clouds stuff. It's embarrassing. It's an opiate for those who are ready to be put out to pasture.
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Or, maybe, just maybe there's a problem with the board.
I'm in New Jersey, and I'm sure the PA state legislature hasn't a care with what I think as a non-resident PSU Alum.
As for the cost...last I checked, if we're just going to look at our Public School peers in the Big Ten, PSU has the highest in-state tuition, and was in about the 80% percentile in out-of-state tuition. And we're not sitting in a large metro area where you'd expect the cost of living to dictate such a circumstance. And time and again, we're spending more on our capital projects than our peers (something that Barry has pointed out often). The PA government certainly hasn't helped (and hurts us a lot), but solely blaming them is incredibly short-sighted.
Go back in time and increase state funding in each of the last 25 years to maintain the percentage of funding that existed at the start point. Tell me what in-state and out-of-state tuition looks like then. Barry's an alleged financial advisor who had to beg for handouts to finance a lawsuit that was the culmination of his personal martyr vision quest, because he hadn't properly funded and planned his kids' education. I'd trust his financial assessments (whether they're regarding capital projects, a dinner at the Capital Grille, or the cost to print a capital letter) as much as I trust this year's PSU men's hoops team to win the NCAA tourney.
Your Cliff's Notes version of this thread.
1. @HappyValley1 = @Moogy
2. @Moogy is a highly disgruntled almost ex-alum of PSU; hence why he remains bitter against the school that afforded him a 100% free athletic scholarship for a "period of time".
3. @Moogy only likes baseball. He doesn't understand, and thus doesn't like, football so he mocks those who do (especially JoeBots).
4. @Moogy and @HappyValley1 hate Lubrano (the archives don't lie)
5. I'll stop now before I have to generate yet another user name.
1. @HappyValley1 = @Moogy
2. @Moogy is a highly disgruntled almost ex-alum of PSU; hence why he remains bitter against the school that afforded him a 100% free athletic scholarship for a "period of time".
3. @Moogy only likes baseball. He doesn't understand, and thus doesn't like, football so he mocks those who do (especially JoeBots).
4. @Moogy and @HappyValley1 hate Lubrano (the archives don't lie)
5. I'll stop now before I have to generate yet another user name.
We let the BoT get away with all this through a lack of concern. Since lawyers who graduated from Penn State are too cowardly to do anything, and the legislature is about the same, there's only one way to fix the rats.
Find out what businesses they're involved with and do not patronize them. It worked with putting Penn live out to pasture and it can work with the lousy BoT.
Find out what businesses they're involved with and do not patronize them. It worked with putting Penn live out to pasture and it can work with the lousy BoT.
You need to tell what you are smoking...was that an attempt at sarcasm? Points for your imagination.
1/5….100 percent not a fan of Jay, Lubrano and Barry. If that offends you I understand, agree to disagree.
Strikes 1-5. You’re out, and then some. I give you credit for being so consistently terrible and misguided at accusations over so many monikers. It’s a special kind of untreated mental illness. You're the Scooby Dum of the Scooby Gang.
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It’s a very retro Soviet style of governance up there in State College.
Only pre approved candidates who have been screened in advance (and will follow the party line) are allowed to run in the elections. Anyone not preapproved is disqualified.
Hitler and Stalin would approve.
Needless to say it's still all smiles and laughs at the Alumni Association. Got my Penn Stater today, and they did not publish my letter. Of course. I'm not "their kind of person", I guess.
Critical voices and hard questions are not welcome
So I coincidentally graded out 1-5 by the two posters I pointed out as being one and the same? Hmmmm.
I think you two (
) just proved my point.So I coincidentally graded out 1-5 by the two posters I pointed out as being one and the same? Hmmmm.
I think you two (
You even failed at this. No, I said you earned strikes 1 through 5 in that post, Scoobs. That means you went 0-5 on your points. You fail in such spectacular ways, there's no way to predict how you'll fail next. We all just know you will, in fact, fail. Even Gene Hackman has outsmarted you in the last day or so.
Dingers for Daze, Simply Constipated ..etal….
Keep trying to explain your multiple monikers to others. You’ve been exposed.
The hand says goodbye.
THAT was your response to your embarrassing misread being exposed?! Strikes 6 and 7 in your last 2 posts.Dingers for Daze, Simply Constipated ..etal….
Keep trying to explain your multiple monikers to others. You’ve been exposed.
The hand says goodbye.
Let's just hand you the Golden Sombrero now, since we know you'll never make contact ...
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I don't think that's particularly accurate in terms of out of state students. From what I've seen - have a high schooler so am deep into researching colleges - PSU is pretty typical when it comes to out of state costs for a flagship.
Big 10 Costs and Aid, 2023-24
| School | Public or Private | COA In State | COA Out of State | Avg Need-Based Award | Avg Merit Aid Award |
|---|
| COA In State | COA Out of State | Need | Merit | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| University of Southern California | Private | $95,225 | $95,225 | $63,884 | $18,463 |
| Northwestern University | Private | $86,907 | $86,907 | $63,954 | $32,431 |
| University of Michigan | Public | $36,932 | $80,142 | $26,947 | $4,387 |
| University of Washington | Public | $35,305 | $65,541 | $17,794 | $3,841 |
| University of California, Los Angeles | Public | $31,532 | $64,106 | $26,566 | $7,455 |
| University of Maryland, College Park | Public | $31,730 | $61,108 | $13,412 | $6,733 |
| University of Wisconsin-Madison | Public | $30,008 | $61,106 | $20,697 | $7,224 |
| University of Oregon | Public | $29,891 | $56,334 | $13,059 | $6,255 |
| The Ohio State University at Columbus | Public | $27,982 | $54,760 | $16,449 | $6,789 |
| Michigan State University | Public | $28,559 | $54,455 | $16,453 | $4,547 |
| Indiana University Bloomington | Public | $24,842 | $53,534 | $14,753 | $5.955 |
| Rutgers University - New Brunswick | Public | $33,643 | $53,155 | $12,766 | $11,021 |
| Penn State University Park | Public | $32,656 | $52,610 | $10,885 | $5,266 |
| University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Campus | Public | $28,524 | $48,438 | $16,337 | $5,366 |
| The University of Iowa | Public | $23,396 | $45,539 | $14,150 | $6,027 |
| University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | Public | $26,028 | $44,000 | $19,449 | $6,345 |
| Purdue University | Public | $22,812 | $41,614 | $12,143 | $6,162 |
| University of Nebraska-Lincoln | Public | $21,400 | $38,530 | $16,278 | $8,2 |
Source: https://www.road2college.com/big-10-schools/
The in state costs are high, but that's always been the case, given the specifics of PSU being state related vs state run like the PASSHE schools.
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The killer for PSU right now is the very low amount of "need" aid available. Lowest in the conference. They are also fairly low on "merit" based aid, though not quite the lowest there.
Yes, PSU has generally been "stingy" when it comes to need based financial aid. Sadly, that's fairly common among large public schools. It's invariably private schools with huge endowments that are the most generous with financial based aid. Your Ivy League schools and their peers are generally the only schools that are considered "meets needs" where they will provide aid for the full amount that a student's family cannot afford as per FAFSA (pretty much all such schools require the CSS profile to be filed as well which is more detailed than FAFSA at determining family financial situation).
Thanks for posting that @doctornick...the number I was pulling was simply looking at Tuition/fees. I'm guessing this is something where being in the middle of nowhere helps us, with a lower cost of living in State College vs. some of the schools in larger metro areas.
I think it's more of Penn State not prioritizing financial aid in their fundraising. Those old rich elite schools have a Iot of unrestricted endowments. Guessing that PSU's are largely earmarked. I suppose it's sexier to convince donors to slap their name on a building or endow a chair, etc. than it is to convince them to donate to an anonymous financial aid pool.