Had he been Black and slaughtered 9 Whites in a church, you wouldn't have had any hesitation in calling him a thug and declaring his act as racist.
Breaking news. Some guy shoots up a church in Charleston, SC
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Had he been Black and slaughtered 9 Whites in a church, you wouldn't have had any hesitation in calling him a thug and declaring his act as racist.
So who here was a left turn from being a psycho, racist, serial killer in their early adulthood? My guess is at minimum 25% of you after reading this board...
I don't care what color he is, I just know he is one sick puppy that needs to be put down. Tall tree short rope would do just fine
That's the thing with people, it's like the whole damn world has ADD and can't focus on the issue when the media gets involved. The race baiting,political, religious and ignorant stances taken just take away from the fact that he just like individual blacks do not represent the mass of their color. Did he have issues yes, but do not take that up with me because I didn't do a damn thing and Id have no problem kicking his chair out from under him as he hang or pushing a button on injection.
This world today would be so much better off with not 1 damn TV. No doubt some idiot/idiots are at home ready to riot over this and others are ready to be copycats.
Ignorance is ignorance and it breeds faster than we can educate it.
This world today would be so much better off with not 1 damn TV. No doubt some idiot/idiots are at home ready to riot over this and others are ready to be copycats.
Ignorance is ignorance and it breeds faster than we can educate it.
I don't frequent the Paddock too often, especially lately due to time constraints. I work a couple miles away from this church. I hurt for GhostVol and his family along with many others in Charleston, North Charleston, Summerville, and other areas (I am not familiar with this area as much as I will be after I have been here longer.). From our recent conversations on this message board he is someone I want to meet here in my new hometown.
To fathom what many here are going through right now with totally unexpected total loss of a loved one and loved ones to go with the loss of the feeling of safety especially where you normally go to feel safe is something I find very hard to comprehend.
My prayers go out to these that had a permanent loss. May God Bless them and their families now and beyond.
To fathom what many here are going through right now with totally unexpected total loss of a loved one and loved ones to go with the loss of the feeling of safety especially where you normally go to feel safe is something I find very hard to comprehend.
My prayers go out to these that had a permanent loss. May God Bless them and their families now and beyond.
Bogus cliche' No it's the other way around, the vast majority of people want to outlaw guns for outlaws by requiring a background check, while preserving the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns. Anyone that opposes common sense efforts like the defeated Toomey/Manchin bill is supporting the rights of the mentally ill, felons and terrorists to legally purchase guns.
So now, "I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" isn't just a fallacy, it's a legal defense. Good to know.
Mass murders in schools, movie theaters and churches by lunatics, is an entirely different issue than a black on black gang shooting or a redneck shooting his neighbor with a loud stereo. The president isn't going to make a speech every time that happens. Incidents like just happened in Charleston are extremely alarming and raise concern with public safety. It's any president's job to deal with that. Had he said nothing, I'm sure the critics, including yourself would be accusing him of being apathetic.
Actually, it's the STATES job to police states. Not the President's job. He really has no business in state affairs.
How about the white family tortured and murdered in their home by the black guy a couple weeks ago? Tortured, stabbed and beaten to death with a baseball bat (what? no gun?)and then set on fire. That was at least as heinous as this shooting. Tortured a 10 year old boy to force his parents to get money. How come nothing from the prez about that?
Ghost, being as you started this thread, this is to you....may the peace of God, the teachings of Jesus, and the truth revealing of the Holy Spirit be upon you and your community. I endured the Heath HS shootings. I knew the kids that were killed, went to grade school and HS with their parents. Time has healed somewhat, but some things will not be healed in this life. Please know that many are praying for you and the community. I will stop now. FCC.
I wasn't referring to "policing" I was referring to demonstrating national leadership in times of crisis or public concern. As this president and every other president I can remember has said "my number one job is to protect the country and it's citizens". But actually this DID became a federal case when the Charleston Police Chief labelled it a hate crime and requested FBI assistance. Now it may actually be classified as domestic terrorism.
That was as robbery, not a terrorist style mass murder. A very heinous crime but like I said the President can't give speeches every time a crime is committed.
So what's you point? that the President only picks on white guys that kill lots of folks and ignores black guys?
The fact that this seems to bother you more than the crime itself is sort of telling.
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: its because of video games
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: guy had mental issues
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: parents are to blame
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: we need more guns
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: Obama's fault, look at Chicago
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: but black people kill each other
RuppRafters: its because of video games
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: guy had mental issues
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: parents are to blame
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: we need more guns
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: Obama's fault, look at Chicago
Killer: i wanted to kill black people
RuppRafters: but black people kill each other
That was as robbery, not a terrorist style mass murder. A very heinous crime but like I said the President can't give speeches every time a crime is committed.
So what's you point? that the President only picks on white guys that kill lots of folks and ignores black guys?
The fact that this seems to bother you more than the crime itself is sort of telling.
Tell the relatives of that family that it wasn't a terrorist event! And yes. your boy obama does seem to only care when it is white on black. but no, that is not worse than the crime.
The proffessor in Conn that was arrested mistakenly, wasn't a "terrorist style mass murder" was it? Yet obama had the time and felt the need to comment on that.
The Trayvon Martin case wasn't a "terrorist style mass murder" was it? Yet obama had the time and felt the need to comment on that.
Feruson wasn't a "terrorist style mass murder" was it? Yet obama had the time and felt the need to comment on that.
Freddie gray wasn't a "terrorist style mass murder" was it? Yet obama had the time and felt the need to comment on that.
See a pattern there? He used a tragedy to try and score political points,AGAIN. Even a lib/dim has to be able to see that.
That was as robbery, not a terrorist style mass murder. A very heinous crime but like I said the President can't give speeches every time a crime is committed.
So what's you point? that the President only picks on white guys that kill lots of folks and ignores black guys?
The fact that this seems to bother you more than the crime itself is sort of telling.
Then why does he need to comment on every time a cop kills a black male before the facts and evidence are in? He most certainly has no issue doing that and stirring the pot but can't be bothered to comment when a criminal kills a cop? Let's not act like this isn't a pattern with him. I also don't recall Holder being sent to any of the cities where a white person was killed by a cop.
This guy has been one of the most divisive presidents we have had in a very long time and the media is right there with him. How many evil racist white people/cops stories have been in the news the past year? But race is never discussed if the shoe is on the other foot. I mean, hell, we are making national news stories out of pool parties now. And every interaction between a white person and someone of another race is always labeled as "racially motivated" and other than this one, how many of those have the slightest evidence of race being a factor?
By the way, how amazing is Charleston? Two of my friends live there and one works in a church and posted so many pictures of everyone coming together. That community is filled with good people. They're the opposite of the garbage in Ferguson and Baltimore.
Regardless of what you want to call these events in Ferguson, Staten Island and Baltimore etc., when you have thousands of people out on the streets demonstrating and in some cases widespread acts of violence, yes indeed the President of the United States needs to speak out on those situations. That's his job.
Do I think he has always spoke at the right time, said the right thing or stayed silent when he should have, every single time? of course not. But to be criticizing the President now in the wake of this event is beyond comprehension unless you simple have another agenda.
"National Leadership" was how Guliani handled the Twin Tower terrorist attack of 9/11 assuring not just a city or state but a COUNTRY all will be okay, It was how Bush assured the Country "against" terrorism after 9/11 for years. I do not remember ONE TIME when Bush or Rudy outed our protector's such as the police and soldiers. (Even though it is always the case where a few police or soldiers will get out of line and cause havoc or do something horrible.)
Not one time did Bush or Guliani take advantage of a situationfor political or personal gain deu to the situation but they led by leading and then making themselves not the focus. Or how even General Colin Powell stated to the American people and to the middle east countries; There is no time in American history where Americans came to a country and liberated it then took it over for their profit. (Close to those remarks) He was eschewing the American value system. That is what is sorely lacking from our leader and leaders now, among other things.
Sorry if you want to argue the point but you will lose because the motivations of each party mentioned is completely different.
All I know is this.....I'm praying for the people of Charleston, specifically for anybody who is a member of that church or knew someone who is, or God forbid loved someone who was callously murdered by this deranged loser.
And right now I do not give a sh#t about the following debates: gun control, Obama's agenda, race-baiting, religion etc.
Sometimes this old world can get a person down.
And Ghost, hang in there. I've enjoyed your take on things here over the years. I'll be in IOP in 5 weeks. Always go into Chucktown a couple of times while we're there. This time I'll make a point to lay some flowers there. A small thing,yes, but its the least I can do. And then I'll head out to Poe's Tavern and have a couple of pints and ponder why people act, and react, the way they do sometimes.
And right now I do not give a sh#t about the following debates: gun control, Obama's agenda, race-baiting, religion etc.
Sometimes this old world can get a person down.
And Ghost, hang in there. I've enjoyed your take on things here over the years. I'll be in IOP in 5 weeks. Always go into Chucktown a couple of times while we're there. This time I'll make a point to lay some flowers there. A small thing,yes, but its the least I can do. And then I'll head out to Poe's Tavern and have a couple of pints and ponder why people act, and react, the way they do sometimes.
That was as robbery, not a terrorist style mass murder. A very heinous crime but like I said the President can't give speeches every time a crime is committed.
So what's you point? that the President only picks on white guys that kill lots of folks and ignores black guys?
The fact that this seems to bother you more than the crime itself is sort of telling.
Good Lord! Obama has a track record now of only speaking out when it is white person or white Hispanic that kills a black person, be it a cop, a nut job,or a wanna be Barney Fife. You go to great lengths the defend Obama to be a moderate. Obama classifes a real domestic terror attack as "wor
Obama and Holder set race relations back 100 years in only 6 years.
The media has made another nut case a national figure again.
For now we don't have thousand's protesting in Charleston. Several leaders have told the trouble-makers to stay home and don't bother showing up from out of state. The "People" here in Charleston as a whole seem tight and together though there will always be issues, coming to gether as a comunity doesn't seem to be as big an issue here as in the areas you mentioned. I won't go into why I suspect this as I am new here and don't have a right to speak on some things, or don't feel it is my place...
Oh, yeah! Right on the head!
Pfft. Like it don't cut both ways. Now political opportunists come out of the woodwork to blame flags, guns, and everything else except THE KILLER HIMSELF.
Seems like everyone is blaming the killer.
What I believe you're misunderstanding is that some folks see what should have been red flags that might have potentially prevented or minimized the impact this evil person was able to have. Blaming the killer is a given, and ultimately useless in the associated goal of not having this kind of thing happen anymore.
Is that even possible? No. But it would be nice to dial it down a few notches if we can. Identifying potential killers and removing their ability to easily do harm is important, because if you just blame this killer, then you'll just be blaming the next five thousand too. Blame won't save a single life.
You can condemn this monster, hope justice is swift and appropriate, and still have the mental capacity to discuss the peripheral symptoms of events like this.
Bud,
Nothing against you (Yeah, it IS against you) (Had to edit my post)but for anyone in general as I have seen this so many times on just this site.
"Not one time did Bush or Guliani take advantage of a situationfor political or personal gain deu to the situation but they led by leading and then making themselves not the focus."
The above is what I typed, what you quoted you changed to make your post seem just a little bit better than what it should be. I call that something but I won't state it here. (I used to stay in a little hot water with the Mods about my statements being a little too rough but be a man and at least quote me accurately.
Unless your theory is that there's really no hot-button debate to be had, I wouldn't share it. I mean, do you think there's a huge population there who supports this psycho and what he did and that they're just not taking to the streets in protest for some noble reason?
Lots of these recent events that have led to protests had gray area, disputable information, different versions of what transpired, etc. This was a racist madman who slaughtered a bunch of innocent people in a church and was caught by authorities. What about that is divisive or controversial? What would people be protesting?
I quoted the specific part I was referencing. I think lots of folks would disagree with your statement that George Bush never used a situation for personal or political gain. The rest wasn't part of my point, so I left it out to make things clear.
I did not even read this as you are shown as being a little chicken schmidt by changing words and then quoting them to make yourself look better than you are. A man's word is all he has. remember that before changing someone else's. Be a man at least, or are you a wo-man?
Thanks, I changed part of your statement to prove my point. I guess I'm a chicken schmidt arse too. is that clear.... I hope so.
Editing a post to remove unnecessary parts and changing the entire meaning of the post are two entirely different things.
Even in 1840 if a man lied and yes you lied by changing my words to fit your agenda or meaning as you took words out of one sentence to change the meaning he'd normally have to pay for it. BUT, you knew you were on the internet and can be a little tougher than you would probably be in person. I doubt you change many things of other people in person.
I'm through bantering with ignorance. Enjoy yourself. (Sorry for taking over this thread. I have stopped.)