Betcha Bryne's wishes he had hired Raffo. We would probably have had the same pitching coach that we had last year,and the pitchers would have done better this year. You can't come in and try to change the way a pitcher pitches, just to satisfy your ego. We need a new coach and a new pitching coach. All these supposed signees to be have probably heard about Cohen's temper and just may go somewhere else. Could you blame them?
Brilliant post from Kyle's blog about the baseball situation.
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Betcha Bryne's wishes he had hired Raffo. We would probably have had the same pitching coach that we had last year,and the pitchers would have done better this year. You can't come in and try to change the way a pitcher pitches, just to satisfy your ego. We need a new coach and a new pitching coach. All these supposed signees to be have probably heard about Cohen's temper and just may go somewhere else. Could you blame them?
Betcha Bryne's wishes he had hired Raffo. We would probably have had the same pitching coach that we had last year,and the pitchers would have done better this year. You can't come in and try to change the way a pitcher pitches, just to satisfy your ego. We need a new coach and a new pitching coach. All these supposed signees to be have probably heard about Cohen's temper and just may go somewhere else. Could you blame them?
Betcha Bryne's wishes he had hired Raffo. We would probably have had the same pitching coach that we had last year,and the pitchers would have done better this year. You can't come in and try to change the way a pitcher pitches, just to satisfy your ego. We need a new coach and a new pitching coach. All these supposed signees to be have probably heard about Cohen's temper and just may go somewhere else. Could you blame them?
How the hell do you expect John to when with these sackless boy wonders
that wish to be gropped by Papa Polkie and told how good of boys they are.
We cant win, because the pitchers have no talent you ignorant <17>
and no matter who the coach is, it would be the same...
if you dont remember, look at last season..
that wish to be gropped by Papa Polkie and told how good of boys they are.
We cant win, because the pitchers have no talent you ignorant <17>
and no matter who the coach is, it would be the same...
if you dont remember, look at last season..
<div class="Comments_From"> sugar1 wrote: </div> <div id="CommentBody[1]" class="Comments_CommentText"> Betcha Bryne's wishes he had hired Raffo. We would probably have had the same pitching coach that we had last year,and the pitchers would have done better this year. You can't come in and try to change the way a pitcher pitches, just to satisfy your ego. We need a new coach and a new pitching coach. All these supposed signees to be have probably heard about Cohen's temper and just may go somewhere else. Could you blame them? </div>5/3/2009 6:37 PM CDT
Just in case there is any confusion.
Just in case there is any confusion.
but if you look closer at how the year has gone i don't think it's surprising to hear some people calling for a change. cohen hasn't exactly made moves on or off the field which would instill confidence. he could turn it around completely and take y'all back to omaha like polk did, but i've not seen evidence to support that. y'all will be in a regional next year though, so that 's something to look forward to.
need to be terminated by natural selection. I wouldn't even want to fire Croom after one year. You have to do something outside the realm of sucking in the sport you coach to be fired for one year. And no, Cohen blasting his players in the paper does not enter that realm.
i don't think we ought to just haul off and start killing people like that. however, i see your point. problem is, he's been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster as a coach. y'all started the year, what, 8-1? and have since gone something like 13-26. you've got a long tradition of exceptional baseball at MSU. you're going to have people calling for his head.
about the only disappointing thing you can find when looking at our offensive nos. is that we will strike out about as much as we did last year.
In conferenced play, we hit .308 right now as compared to .268 last year. Granted, we play the 2 best staffs in the league to end the year, but 40 points is a ton. We've already hit more home runs and stolen more bases. We've already scored nearly 20 more runs than last year.
Going into the weekend, we were 2nd in conference games in OPS and leading the league in OBP.
The season has been a disappointment, but to say Cohen has been an unmitigated disaster is just jack being jack.
In conferenced play, we hit .308 right now as compared to .268 last year. Granted, we play the 2 best staffs in the league to end the year, but 40 points is a ton. We've already hit more home runs and stolen more bases. We've already scored nearly 20 more runs than last year.
Going into the weekend, we were 2nd in conference games in OPS and leading the league in OBP.
The season has been a disappointment, but to say Cohen has been an unmitigated disaster is just jack being jack.
the pitching situation than you or I. Since he's the one being paid to straighten it out, I'm content with giving him some time. MSU won't give (rightfully so) Cohen as long as Polk, but one year is too short, especially considering Polk's recruiting effort/success over the last 2-3 years.
Coach Polk (The Sequel) was marked by "not-so-good" pitching, so havnig the same pitching coach this year as last...
Coach Polk (The Sequel) was marked by "not-so-good" pitching, so havnig the same pitching coach this year as last...
you're on pace to lose more games than, well, probably ever and your coach has gone all john l. smith a couple times this year in his pressers. you keep on defending him though. him and his ability to dramatically improve your offense, and still have an embarassing record. stats are for losers.
no doubt. I said that. But stats are definitely not for losers. I don't know if you know this, but their is a model for building MLB teams that is pretty damn popular that is grounded in statistics. So I think they are pretty interesting to look into.
Would I rather have 15 conf wins right now and worse stats? Of course, but to say stats are for losers is ridiculous. The main point of my post was to emphasize exactly how much pitching has killed us.
Would I rather have 15 conf wins right now and worse stats? Of course, but to say stats are for losers is ridiculous. The main point of my post was to emphasize exactly how much pitching has killed us.
You are correct. It has been brutal, but it would have been brutal no matter who the coach was. Most of us, at the beginning of the season, expected it to be bad and some thought it just might be THIS bad. I'll freely admit I was one that jumped the gun and got a bit too woolly after the good 10-game start. However, the best case scenario for this bunch was to barely sneak into the SEC Tourney and/or a regional. While it appears our season is over in two weeks, I'm still 100% confident Cohen will turn things around. Don't forget that the great LSU program missed the NCAA Tournament Maneri's first year as well. This season is by no means an indictment on Cohen. Now, if we're still spinning our wheels this time next year I'll start to worry.
as i said earlier, i think y'all will play in a regional next year. so you won't be spinning your wheels, but the promised land is another story.
...It's amazing how it's lost on some idiots that Raffo is part of the reason this program has fallen so far.
So if you would have just hired the f*ckup, then the f*ckup would be the cure for the current f*ckup.
That's the kind of nutbag logic that jackstefano can sink his teeth into, I'm sure.
So if you would have just hired the f*ckup, then the f*ckup would be the cure for the current f*ckup.
That's the kind of nutbag logic that jackstefano can sink his teeth into, I'm sure.
You mentioned that this season would have been brutal no matter who your coach was. That made me think of the impact that coaches make on their teams.
Orgeron was a disaster for us. While he was a decent recruiter, he couldn't coach himself out of a wet paper bag. That being said, his biggest liability as a coach was the way he made our players feel, for lack of a better word. Many quit on him. He could had stayed ten more years, but the outcome would have been the same.
An honest question for you and the board: Could this year have been less brutal for you with a baseball coach more like Nutt? It is probably impossible for me to take the partin divide out of this post, but it is a legitimate question. Doesn't the way a coach treats the players have something to do with the way they play and the outcome of the season?
Again, my post is in response to your assertion that your season would have been brutal no matter who the coach was. I probably worded all this wrong, and forgive me for that, but I hope to get an honest reponse.
Orgeron was a disaster for us. While he was a decent recruiter, he couldn't coach himself out of a wet paper bag. That being said, his biggest liability as a coach was the way he made our players feel, for lack of a better word. Many quit on him. He could had stayed ten more years, but the outcome would have been the same.
An honest question for you and the board: Could this year have been less brutal for you with a baseball coach more like Nutt? It is probably impossible for me to take the partin divide out of this post, but it is a legitimate question. Doesn't the way a coach treats the players have something to do with the way they play and the outcome of the season?
Again, my post is in response to your assertion that your season would have been brutal no matter who the coach was. I probably worded all this wrong, and forgive me for that, but I hope to get an honest reponse.
Orgeron left Nutt with at least 2 and potentially 4 1st round NFL draft picks and a host of other good players. Polk left Cohen with no more than 4 SEC caliber players and no high round draft picks (although Routt may possibly be a high draft pick before he's done).
I'm confused as to why you think Cohen should behave like a Presbyterian <font face="Arial">jackstefano said:
</font>minister after he has to suffer through watching Polk's screw-ups tank yet another baseball game.
I'm also confused as to how Cohen could win a SEC title @ Kentucky (of all places) yet Bianco can't win one @ Ole Miss.
I'm also confused about why you feel like you have to always insert you 2 cents into topics you know nothing about.
See. I'm confused about some things too.
I realize Nutt is a god to you people, but please.
What if Polk had left Cohen the same level of talent that Big O left Nutt?
See, that didn't happen. I don't know why you people will not accept that reality.
Lastly, if you want to talk about the brutality of college baseball, it doesn't get any more brutal than hosting a regional/super regional year after year after year after year, only to piss it away every freakin' year without getting to Omaha.
Maybe you need a "Nutt-type coach" to get Ole Miss over that hump.
Actually, I thought of acknowledging the difference in talent between the two teams. But decided it would make the post too long and it wasn't actually relevant to what I was trying to say.
I said two different times that the pertinent point was the impact a particular coach can have on a team. The question is whether Cohen is going to be another Orgeron. Time will tell. And I really wasn't trying to make this a pissing contest.
I said two different times that the pertinent point was the impact a particular coach can have on a team. The question is whether Cohen is going to be another Orgeron. Time will tell. And I really wasn't trying to make this a pissing contest.
The question is whether Cohen is going to be another Orgeron? Really?
The difference is Cohen has won big before, at Kentucky of all places. After what he did at there, you're going to compare Cohen to a clueless ogre who had no idea how to manage a team?
The difference is Cohen has won big before, at Kentucky of all places. After what he did at there, you're going to compare Cohen to a clueless ogre who had no idea how to manage a team?
Change the way we pitch? I guess asking them to throw strikes is too much nowadays.
For some reason, our fans feel like our baseball players should be coddled. I have no idea why.
If we had Raffo, I think our situation would be even worse in all honesty.
For some reason, our fans feel like our baseball players should be coddled. I have no idea why.
If we had Raffo, I think our situation would be even worse in all honesty.
tcreb said:
the answer is no. It's not even relevant, unless you're hoping that Cohen is a collosal failure. Cohen is trying to change the entire attitude and culture of MSU baseball. The current players he has now don't share that attitude. I think if you ask Cohen to be "less intense" or whatever you want to call it, you're asking him to not be himself. HE is the coach, THEY are the players, it is their job to carry out what he wants them to do, and yes, it is his job to make sure they do it. And when they haven't done it, Cohen has taken the blame many times despite the fact that he could have very easily thrown the players under the bus time and time again- and I'm not saying he hasn't- but he could certainly make it a theme after every loss, because the bottom line is he has no pitching whatsoever. You can't win without pitching- I don't care if you have Joe Torre and Mel Stottlemyre.
O on the other hand, I think was more of a caretaker. You couldn't get anyone to take your job except this nut from Louisiana. I think he was brought in to recruit well and then hand the reins over to someone who knew what they were doing. And that's basically what he did.
If Snead plays for O his last year, yall wouldn't have Nutt. A good QB means alot to a team and Snead is a very good QB. I think we are closer to the LSU situation but LSU had more talent. Manieri ran off about half the team and now the are a real good team. Cohen is basically doing the same except LSU doesn't have to recruit Lousiana. It might take Coach Cohen a couple of years but I think we will be competitive next year, not necessarily good but competitive. Our pitching staff is so depleted now that we dont even have enough pitchers to be competitive for more than 1.5 games a weekend.