BROWN LEAVING MC
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To get a year head start. Go to class for 4 hours per day. Watch film. Get in the weight room year-round. Play top quality competition each and every week. When you think your kid has a chance to make millions of dollars at age 22, you make these decisions at age 16-17.
Stop fighting it, just become an Ascenders fan!
IMG has been an issue down South for several years now. IMG Academy has been recruiting nationally now for a few years and have obviously discovered Chicagoland. In all honesty not a whole lot you can do here to be honest. IMG provides financial aid (again nothing is "revealed" upfront financially) and they play a nationally stocked schedule. They aren't allowed to play in the Florida state playoffs so once the regular season is over they are over. They offer a "unique" athletic and academic education and is heavily funded via former students alumni and such.
Biggest issue I feel they will face is the whole academic component eventually. I can see the NCAA start to get more involved and these prep academies will face some hurdles to climb from the academic side.
Illinois also has one post-grad prep school in Midwest Prep Academy. They started in Chicagoland and have just moved to Rantoul and is renting out the old Illinois Camp Rantoul facilities.
Again with one school playing Juco football in state in COD....the need for these types of Prep schools has arisen. Yet as someone brought to my attention via Twitter Midwest is a much different deal than an IMG
Biggest issue I feel they will face is the whole academic component eventually. I can see the NCAA start to get more involved and these prep academies will face some hurdles to climb from the academic side.
Illinois also has one post-grad prep school in Midwest Prep Academy. They started in Chicagoland and have just moved to Rantoul and is renting out the old Illinois Camp Rantoul facilities.
Again with one school playing Juco football in state in COD....the need for these types of Prep schools has arisen. Yet as someone brought to my attention via Twitter Midwest is a much different deal than an IMG
Man, I don't like to see this for the sport. Obviously I think people can and should be able to choose if they want to go this route, but I don't like to see MC down. Plus I dont want to see IMG with a presence here. We have a lot to lose.
IMO, this is very poor parenting.
I'm all for letting a kid go to a school to better themselves for football or otherwise. However, at the cost of a fundamental education, uprooting a family for what really amounts to a pipe dream is stupid.
God Speed.
What were we saying about star players yesterday???
I'm all for letting a kid go to a school to better themselves for football or otherwise. However, at the cost of a fundamental education, uprooting a family for what really amounts to a pipe dream is stupid.
God Speed.
What were we saying about star players yesterday???
He will probably get to graduate early as well and enroll in whatever school he chooses next January. Get a head start with spring practice.
All prospects should take a solid look at the Raiders.
I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Marinovich, his son is a football player.
I would love to have the percentages of HS football players that make it at the D1 level. Yah know something like less than 2-3 percent.
These football and basketball factories are a joke and go completely unregulated. Until the NCAA steps up and starts enforcing the rules for admissions and required core courses this kinda crap will keep Happening.
Football is just starting to see the effects of what has been taking place in basketball for years.
These football and basketball factories are a joke and go completely unregulated. Until the NCAA steps up and starts enforcing the rules for admissions and required core courses this kinda crap will keep Happening.
Football is just starting to see the effects of what has been taking place in basketball for years.
Not sure how many Catholic schools in Illinois have kids graduate early. I believe that most are like MC, where you have to take 4 years of a religious studies in order to fulfill your graduation requirements. Anyone know of any Catholic schools that don't require it and have had kids graduate early?
I have never understood starting college early based on football. In large part, and certainly there are exceptions ( eg Julian Love, of course he didn't start college in Jan.), most true freshman are going to red-shirt. I think if it is possible, red-shirting your first year is the smart move no matter what your ambitions are after college.
Starting college in fall allows you to be a kid for your last semester in HS, and allows a kid to physically mature before having to play the college game. If you really examine the subject, playing too early and playing to much in college takes a toll on the body that will last a lifetime and in some cases shortens both a college and pro career.
The advantages are that enrolling early allows a player to get an extra spring practice over his college career and graduating in Dec. allows a kid to prepare for the combine but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages.
I agree with you here bronco, I am not sure when it became so prevalent to enroll early and miss out on 2nd semester SR year, but it seems like more and more kids are choosing this route.
I don't really see a lot of true freshman playing on the offensive line in college, but you do see it more on the DL in the past 5-7 years. Also, when kids like Brown who have multiple offers, who knows what the college coaches are telling him. Maybe the coaches encourage kids to graduate as early as possible to get them on the field as soon as possible.
I don't really see a lot of true freshman playing on the offensive line in college, but you do see it more on the DL in the past 5-7 years. Also, when kids like Brown who have multiple offers, who knows what the college coaches are telling him. Maybe the coaches encourage kids to graduate as early as possible to get them on the field as soon as possible.
Guys it's not just about early playing time. It's also about class work and if the kids are academically and athletically driven they realize that they end up getting up to 5 and 1/2 years of paid education allowing them to earn a Bachelors and Masters degree or even a law degree. Many kids are able to graduate in 3 years now because they are going to school year round.
At first glance, reading what you wrote, I thought you must be unfamiliar with the 5 year rule. That is a student athlete has 5 calendar years from starting school to complete 4 years of competition. It doesn't matter when a student enters school, either Jan, June, or August, the rule, with few exceptions (medical hardship being one ) is strictly enforced. http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms
I think what you are stating when you say that a student on an athletic scholarship can get 5 1/2 years of education by going to school during the summers. In other words if the student athlete applies himself he can get the equivalent of 5 1/2 years of studies in 5 years. The aforementioned only applies if the student athlete is red-shirted. If you are saying that an athletic scholarship in football is good for 5 1/2 years you are wrong. That coach wants his scholarship back after 5 years so he can give it to someone else.
Take Julian Love for example, since he played as a true freshman, if he plays every year for the next three years, and does not get injured, his eligibility, and scholarship, runs out at the end of his 4th year of competition.
The only way to get around the NCAA 5 year rule is the medical hardship rule. The general rule is that a student athlete has 5 years to complete 4 years of competition.
To get back to your original point, there is nothing stopping a student athlete from completing as much academic work during his eligibility period no matter when he enters school either Jan, June or August. My point is, for many reasons, what benefit does the student athlete gain by enrolling early. Other than participating in spring practice, none.
Disagree with you on this one. Yes some do want to start as true freshman and be done 3 but I know quiet a few current and past D1 players who took full advantage of getting a masters degree. Let's not forget that only 1.6% of college players make it to the NFL
Bronco,
Talked to my son about this and he said most of his freshman classmates that enrolled early regret doing it as they had limited choices on class selection and it did nothing to gain an edge on early playing time. Guys that came in enrolled in June had as much chance to play as a Freshman. If you got it you got it As for Julian, gotten believe they would of loved to RS him but with injuries and discipline issues at ND he got an early opportunity to play and excelled - congrats on the all American. Look forward to him playing against our son next yr.
Talked to my son about this and he said most of his freshman classmates that enrolled early regret doing it as they had limited choices on class selection and it did nothing to gain an edge on early playing time. Guys that came in enrolled in June had as much chance to play as a Freshman. If you got it you got it As for Julian, gotten believe they would of loved to RS him but with injuries and discipline issues at ND he got an early opportunity to play and excelled - congrats on the all American. Look forward to him playing against our son next yr.
Agree.
Also let's not forget about AP classes. If you take some of those exams in high school and get a 5 or 4...most colleges will waive that class requirement and give you the college credit for that class (a few exceptions - I don't think Stanford allows it - not sure about Northwestern).
So if you have a few of those (AP US History, AP English etc) AND you took some classes in the summer while you lifting and agility training with "no coaches present". You could graduate in 3 years and enroll in Masters program.
OR - if you get your undergraduate degree early - you could transfer without many restrictions to another D1 School and play on their team. We are seeing more and more of that these days.
What % of division 1 football players are getting credit for AP classes? I cant imagine this is a very large number.
Of the power five conferences in D1? Not sure, but yes it's probably a very low percentage -probably a lot higher percentage in the Ivy League and perhaps Stanford, Northwestern, Duke etc in the power five.
I would be surprised if IMG offered AP classes since they are only in class 3-4 hours a day, but maybe they do.
I don't blame the kids at all, the Brown family has a long history with MC (father & uncles played there) but practicing against that high level talent everyday is a great opportunity. When I mentioned enrolling early I only did so because I know you can't graduate from MC early, I wasn't necessarily saying that was the reason he left MC or that he plans on doing that. Wish him nothing but the best.
It's especially surprising for kids to leave from MC since it has such a strong tradition. You would think the allure of playing with your buddies and playing for a state title would mean something. This IMG business is terrible.
It really isn't different then kids who transfer into the local powers as Juniors and Seniors.
Guys... IMG's required classes for incoming transfers include ...
* Introduction to quarterback sackin' (3 hrs.)
* History of chop blockin' (3 hrs.)
* Fundamentals of face mask grabbin' (3 hrs.)
* Hook and lateral studies (3 hrs.)
* Theory of horse-collaring (AP/ 4 hrs.)
* Introduction to quarterback sackin' (3 hrs.)
* History of chop blockin' (3 hrs.)
* Fundamentals of face mask grabbin' (3 hrs.)
* Hook and lateral studies (3 hrs.)
* Theory of horse-collaring (AP/ 4 hrs.)
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