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[Shmuley]

but the reason he doesn't follow recruiting is because it can get silly watching the cycle of commitment/de-commitment/non-committable offer/we didn't want him anyway.

Behold, Jermaine Whitehead:

"I'm still committed to Mississippi State at this point but I don't want to just shut everyone else out. There's really nothing wrong with visiting other schools and comparing the to Mississippi State. I love where State is headed right now as a program and I feel really good about them but at the same time if I were to find another place that seemed to be a better fit for me, I wouldn't want to close the door on that."

"If Alabama offered me, it would most definitely make me reconsider things. They play big time ball with big time players and they win a lot of games. It's one of the top programs in the country and I would think anybody would have to take an offer from them seriously."

Someone in the central delta please go tell this guy that, if he bolts for the death star, he will become the 2011 version of Alonzo Lawrence.

 

[Shmuley]

but the reason he doesn't follow recruiting is because it can get silly watching the cycle of commitment/de-commitment/non-committable offer/we didn't want him anyway.

Behold, Jermaine Whitehead:

"I'm still committed to Mississippi State at this point but I don't want to just shut everyone else out. There's really nothing wrong with visiting other schools and comparing the to Mississippi State. I love where State is headed right now as a program and I feel really good about them but at the same time if I were to find another place that seemed to be a better fit for me, I wouldn't want to close the door on that."

"If Alabama offered me, it would most definitely make me reconsider things. They play big time ball with big time players and they win a lot of games. It's one of the top programs in the country and I would think anybody would have to take an offer from them seriously."

Someone in the central delta please go tell this guy that, if he bolts for the death star, he will become the 2011 version of Alonzo Lawrence.

 

[DirtyLopez]

terry grant and numerous others from MS how those bright lights of alabama worked out for them. Right now, with saban over there, and really at most of the big SEC schools, if you aren't top five or ten at your position in the country, you are going to spend alot of times on special teams.

 

[OMlawdog]

are trying to convince WR's that both schools simply throw the ball all over the field.

Im assuming both fanbases have agreed not to point out that each coach is full of **** on this point.

Both coaches run the ball and any attempt to say otherwise is simply crap.

 

[Dollabillz]

Nutt and Mullen would both throw the **** out of it if they had players that could do it. 2008 ring a bell? Mullen threw the ball alot with Tebow. It depends on what players they have readily available.

Understanding recruiting is simple. I don't know why so many people make it out to be something it's not. You get the best players you can get. If you try and recruit to a scheme, you end up like Croom. This scheme stuff is nothing but a party line. Mullen is a "spread" guy but still pounded Dixon all season long last year, and would have been an idiot not to do exactly that.</p>

 

[RobbieRandolph]

nt

 

[Coach34]

but 2 out of every 3 plays for Fla was a running play in 2008

 

[Dollabillz]

I do not care about the stats for either teams. They both threw the hell out of the ball no matter what the % running or throwing is. Your post is merely a small detail.

 

[patdog]

So that's two years in a row Mullen has had the most run-heavy offense in the league.</p>

 

[OMlawdog]

Because they have been a running team at Florida, and a running team at Utah.

Here is the deal, it freaking works. The scheme they ran at Utah, is the same scheme they ran at Florida and it is the same scheme they are running at MSU. Watching MSU's offense, it was very similiar to the offense to the offense run at Florida, and that offense revolves around running the football.

The offense works because you outnumber the defense with a running QB, and you keep them honest with the passing game. This is Mullen's offense, and I will bet you it will be the offense in 2010. Now there may be a few packages that are different, but this will be the offense for 2010, and based on 2009, it should be.

Nutt threw the ball a little bit in 2008, but we primarily ran the football with Bolden and Dex. We threw some bombs to Wallace, but we were a running team.

Nutt and Mullen like to run the football, and when they are selling recruits on passing it all over the field, they are for the most part lying their asses off.

 

[Coach34]

would beat out Relf because he supposedly threw it better- and turns out that wasnt even true

Look for another year of 67% rush offense from us

 

[OMlawdog]

"I do not care about the stats for either team"

They threw the hell out of the ball, regardless if the stats back me up or not.

I guess if you don't care about stats you can basically say anything you want. You could say MSU had the best defense in the country last year, you could care less what the stats say, because they hit people hard last year.

I think Im going to try this at work when my boss complains about billable hours, I will just say "You can't judge my hours billed, by simply looking at my billed hours, I worked my *** off last month."

 

[RobbieRandolph]

nt

 

[Dollabillz]

and I'd venture to say most successful teams usually have a good running game. It starts with the OL, but you catch the drift.

Why can't a team run the ball 65% of the time and still throw the ball around alot?That's usually how it works, unless you're Houston or Alcorn State or something, or have big talent at QB and WR. But we are talking about sophisticated SEC football here. If you're comparing Mullen/Nutt to Mike Leach, well I agree with you. But a running game is almost a necessity in the SEC.

Even Arkansas - with Mallett and all their receivers - ran the ball quite a bit. Let me ask you this....if Petrino had Dixon or Ingram last year, do you think he'd have thrown the ball as much?

 

[Coach34]

saying the offense wasnt as good because the defense didnt score as many TD's as the year before is borderline retarded

 

[paindonthurt_]

just b/c russell didn't have a great spring doesn't mean he can't throw it better than relf. time will tell but i will agree that relf has looked much better in the most recent past.

 

[patdog]

And facts be damned, they're going to continue to think "pass" no matter what actually happens on the field.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

nt

 

[Dollabillz]

using a 65% running play split, you still throw it 25-28 times per game.

 

[OMlawdog]

Unless we are dealing with 150% offense.

For OM, in 2009 we ran the ball 503 times, and passed it 377
In 2008, it was 520 to 340.

You are looking at on average 25-27 attempts a game. That is not throwing it all over the field.

For MSU it was 555 to 266.

At Florida in 2008-2006
it was 545-329,487-361, 476-399 (and that was with leak)

So on average you are looking at 25-28 pass attempts a game with Florida and that counts swing passes and the TE shuttle pass.

 

[patdog]

<span class="post-title">If you run roughly 70-80 plays per game......</span>using a 65% running play split, you still throw it 25-28 times per game.

These days, that's not anywhere near "throwing the ball around a lot." Seriously,based on your performance in this thread, you're luck there isn't a dumbass of the year award. Cause you'd be making a strong run for it.

 

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[markymark.sixpack]

your idea is right, but the fact is that Smith, Leak, and Tebow all threw the ball pretty well too. Way better than Relf has ever done in a game, much less for an entire season. Mullen knows you have to throw too, that's why Russell is 1B, not #2. They're expecting him to contribute, whether you are or not. If Relf can connect on close to 60% of his passes, and the coaching staff can trust him to throw the ball around some, then Russell becomes obsolete. I'm just not convinced Relf has that in him. I still have nightmares about that TD pass "to" Bumphis in the one game that everyone wants to remember him for.

And I far as I can tell, Brantley is going to throw the ball a ton this year in this offense, so take that FWIW.

 

[Coach34]

1. Russell is 1B so that he doesnt get discouraged and considers transferring- not because he is close to beating out Relf. We dont have the QB depth for Russell to realize his *** is going to sit the next 2 seasons and decide he wants out. Sometime coaches have to continue to recruit even after they are on campus- ask Stans the Man about that.

2. Brantley plays for Fla and has nothing to do with our offense. Fla obviously plans to change some of their offense to suit his skills. We dont have the WR's at State to do that right now.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

i haven't really considered that. i guess it's an interesting thought, but i think you're wrong.

i'm still predicting a 60/40 split on snaps this year. and if that's the case, you can be sure that it's not just to keep him from transferring.

 

[paindonthurt_]

now if Relf turns out to be fairly accurate and makes decent decisions the Russell will play less. but he is going to get the chance to contribute early. Regardless of what you think.

 

[jacksonreb1]

just that we threw it to the other team too much...........................

 

[Dollabillz]

if a hotshot receiver comes to MSU or Ole Miss or anywhere, he will get his shot to contribute and make plenty of plays in the passing game. Georgia Tech even had an All-America receiver, and they are arguably the most run oriented team in the country. That proves any team can do it. Just because you throw in a smartass comment calling me a dumbass doesn't make it so.

Bumphis and the like made plenty of plays last year. The reason they didn't make more is because we had no QB. So it's not a lie when coaches say they intend to throw the ball more. If I'm recruiting Tobias Singleton, my intent is to sign him and throw him the ball, not to sign him and not use him just because I supposedly have a running oriented offense because Darren McFadden played for me instead of Matthew Stafford. You guys have tunnel vision.

 

[patdog]

then yes, it would be a valid one. Butsaying a WR is going to contribute and make plenty of plays is completely different than saying a team is going to throw the ball all over the field (or even worse that just because a team runs 65% of the time doesn't mean they don't throw it all over the field). But a lot of those plays will be in the running game. Percy Harvin ran the ball almost twice as much as he caught passes in his senior season.

 

[Coach34]

and possibly even some meaningful snaps against Memphis....but once we get to Auburn, LSU, and Jawja, don't look for him to get many snaps at all

 

[Coach34]

i haven't really considered that. i guess it's an interesting thought, but i think you're wrong.

i'm still predicting a 60/40 split on snaps this year. and if that's the case, you can be sure that it's not just to keep him from transferring.

Who's been right about Russell up to this point- you or me? And we both know, it ain't been you

 

[ckDOG]

The offense works because you outnumber the defense with a running QB, and you keep them honest with the passing game. This is Mullen's offense, and I will bet you it will be the offense in 2010. Now there may be a few packages that are different, but this will be the offense for 2010, and based on 2009, it should be.

Exactly. I'm not going to suggest that the execution is simple, but the concept of the offense is. There's nothing new or innovative about it. When you have a QB who is a legit passing and running threat AND you spread the field pre-snap, the defense is essentially forced to show their hand. There is simply too much ground to cover while being able to disguise your defensive tactics at the same time. Plus, the defense has to dedicate a defender to be able address the pass and run simultaneously. In a pure old school option attack, you could move a safety up and hit the QB at the line. In a pure I-formation attack, you drop the safety back so the QB would never have man-on-man coverage in the secondary. If you have a QB that's doing both jobs while stretching the field, then you have to have a guy that defends both - that only increases the odds the defense breaks down and we can make a big play.

The offense is left with simpler decisions when they get to the line. Two safeties? Run it. No safeties? Sling it. The dual-threat QB basically helps even the playing field by forcing the defense to respect every man on the offensive side of the ball. It just makes it easier to get yourself in the position to make a play. You still have to be bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, but it always helps to be able to read the defense pre-snap and react to what they give you. It's the complete opposite of line up and run over your opponent with better talent. It essentially brings in an element of intelligence/common sense to ensure a team, likely with lesser talent, has their best shot of moving the ball. It's exactly what a program like MSU do to have a chance at winning.

As far as the run/pass mix, any smart offense is always going to skew towards the run - unless their personnel just simply doesn't allow it. It's common sense. Even on a properly executed play, there's still the odds the pass is inaccurately thrown or dropped. Running is simply a less risky method to execute positive yard plays. That is, until the defense cheats on the run and you can start burning them with a pass. Combo that with it being easier to control the clock while running the ball and you make a compelling case to run the hell out of it. As long as we have the personnel to run the ball effectively, I'll always be okay with a run % greater than 60.

 

[Todd4State]

then yes, it would be a valid one. Butsaying a WR is going to contribute and make plenty of plays is completely different than saying a team is going to throw the ball all over the field (or even worse that just because a team runs 65% of the time doesn't mean they don't throw it all over the field). But a lot of those plays will be in the running game. Percy Harvin ran the ball almost twice as much as he caught passes in his senior season.

Tobias Singleton- so that he can run it and catch the ball. He fits Dan's offense perfectly, and I think he would be a star if he came here.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to realize this.

 

[patdog]

that he looks like a guy with great straight-line speed but maybe not the best moves. That works for him in HS because he always outruns the DBs who think they have the angle. College DBs won't be as easy to simply outrun. Still, he'd be a perfect fit for our offense.

 

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