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but I'm personally not excited about the idea of taking more than one of them, just because it's not an area of major need necessarily, and it looks like we may sign 3 or 4 quality WRs in the 2011 class.
We're running out of spots, and I like being in the position where we may have more people to fill those spots than we can take, but I don't know what we do if both Ambles and Sanders want to sign.
What if Delvin Jones and Carlos Thompson both want to sign? What if Ralph Williams wants to sign too? I'd like to think the priority would go to guys like Thompson and Jones because of position, but it's confusing to me reading how many we are still pursuing with the limited spaces we still have. We're also still pursuing Damien Robinson and Shon Coleman too. I don't think either of them come, but I've been told we really only have room for one more OL, if any. What would happen if they both wanted to come?
Last year we were in this spot and landed about 80% of the guys still on our board at the end. I don't think we will do close that strong this year. I'm much more concerned about the linemen than the skill guys though personally. I'd assume that if we did decide to only sign one WR and both Ambles and Sanders wanted to come, they'd take Sanders since he's in-state, but I really don't know how the numbers game will work out.
If we miss out on some of the linemen, we may take an extra WR. If we land Jones, Thompson, and Williams, we may only sign one WR. I'm just glad it isn't my job to try to make it all work out.
We're running out of spots, and I like being in the position where we may have more people to fill those spots than we can take, but I don't know what we do if both Ambles and Sanders want to sign.
What if Delvin Jones and Carlos Thompson both want to sign? What if Ralph Williams wants to sign too? I'd like to think the priority would go to guys like Thompson and Jones because of position, but it's confusing to me reading how many we are still pursuing with the limited spaces we still have. We're also still pursuing Damien Robinson and Shon Coleman too. I don't think either of them come, but I've been told we really only have room for one more OL, if any. What would happen if they both wanted to come?
Last year we were in this spot and landed about 80% of the guys still on our board at the end. I don't think we will do close that strong this year. I'm much more concerned about the linemen than the skill guys though personally. I'd assume that if we did decide to only sign one WR and both Ambles and Sanders wanted to come, they'd take Sanders since he's in-state, but I really don't know how the numbers game will work out.
If we miss out on some of the linemen, we may take an extra WR. If we land Jones, Thompson, and Williams, we may only sign one WR. I'm just glad it isn't my job to try to make it all work out.
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ETA: They will sign some non-qualifiers and try to talk others into grey shirts. But 19 was the amount of schollies they had to give without these caveats.
ETA: They will sign some non-qualifiers and try to talk others into grey shirts. But 19 was the amount of schollies they had to give without these caveats.
but yes, with the 3 grayshirts, we can only add 19 "new" signees, though we will oversign by some number and either place or maybe grayshirt a couple more.
Isn't the number really 18?RebelBruiser said:
25 in a class - 3 APR reduction = 22 scholarships
22 scholarships - 4 greyshirt/walkon (Ritter, Whigham, Swindall, and Marry) = 18 to offer
Obviously, "archimedes" may have fricked this up, but it looks like 18 to me.
olemissbydamn said:
True, I was forgetting Ritter. So, yes it's 18, but we'll oversign by 3 or 4, or maybe more. Given what we did last year, I won't be surprised to see us sign 28 and try to place or grayshirt 10 players. You can't stop Nutt now that he's got the grayshirts going. He's going to mock you every year Slive.
Are they greyshirting, then redshirting, then having four years of eligibility? I can see how you could improve the quality of your backups and role players by having that extra year to lift weights before burning eligibility, but you really only increase the people you sign one year. And are these kids really sticking around college for 6 years to play football? I'm assuming if they weren't good enough for schollies they probably aren't getting a lot of benefits under the table, so it just seems like a raw deal for most players unless they would simply rather take a shot at being on an SEC team than play for a team from another conference.
Am I misunderstanding how greyshirts work?</p>
Am I misunderstanding how greyshirts work?</p>
Its not about not wanting to give them a scholarship. If there's players you want but you know they're not going to be ready to play next year, it would make more sense to greyshirt them and give them the time to get ready while allowing yourself to sign players who will probably be impact players early on. Atleast that's my take on it.
are the type of guys that are available year in and year out. Its not like people are vying for Vincent Sanders to greyshirt him. Schools greyshirt guys that are not as highly recruited.
So why lock yourself up? Why not just leave that scholarship open next year and if you have an extra, then sign a guy similar to the guy you would have greyshirted.
Maybe you do it to land package deals, but other than that, Im just not a huge fan.
So why lock yourself up? Why not just leave that scholarship open next year and if you have an extra, then sign a guy similar to the guy you would have greyshirted.
Maybe you do it to land package deals, but other than that, Im just not a huge fan.
Mike Merry is a prime example from last year. This year the problem is exacerbated because of the APR hit where we lost 3 schollies. That creates a problem when you've got big time recruits who decide late in the year that they are interested and you don't have room. Like Delvin Jones.
I could be wrong but when a player greyshirts doesn't he enroll in at the school (maybe only as a part-time student?) and is not officially part of the team until that particular football season is over. Then that player gets a scholarship the following spring which counts towards the previous years recruiting class total number. Is that a correct synopsis of what a greyshirt is? If this is right, does the student pay out of pocket for that non-scholarship semester?
After typing that, I am actually now more confused than ever.
After typing that, I am actually now more confused than ever.
Since they aren't affiliated in any way with the football program they can be on other financial aid, though, like grants or academic scholarships.
Regardless of spin, this is correct, right? No way an SEC caliber player accepts a greyshirt unless they are footballs version of Jarvis Varnado (obviously not a serious comparison). The more I think about greyshirts, the more retarded the idea seems.
The only greyshirt I can remember that has had a significant career at MSU was Prosser a few years back. Most people here were not to pleased with that.
The only greyshirt I can remember that has had a significant career at MSU was Prosser a few years back. Most people here were not to pleased with that.
kids will sacrifice to go there. Also, kids who screw around and lose a spot and have no other options are more likely to do it.