Buffalo player Damar Hamlin collapses on field; Needed CPR.

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Hope he recovers, but wondering if there’s any neurological activity. Solid doctors all over twitter give the impression that things are very bleak. And if there isn’t any brain activity, then watching that clip of him falling to the ground is watching a man die. It should be scrubbed.
That is going to be pretty hard to scrub. YouTube has murders and a politician who committed suicide on live TV. You're not going to be able to stop this from popping up.

I don't think Hamlin is going to make it but I pray that he does.
 

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That is going to be pretty hard to scrub. YouTube has murders and a politician who committed suicide on live TV. You're not going to be able to stop this from popping up.

I don't think Hamlin is going to make it but I pray that he does.
Murders and suicide? Geez.

It’s just really sad that because the media keeps saying he’s “improving,” people think they’re just watching a dude pass out.

He literally died at that moment. He has likely been brain dead ever since.
 
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Someone brought up the hockey player Chris Pronger. I'm not sharing to make any point other than he suffered CC and played as early as the next game and was healthy enough to finish a career. Just thought it was interesting since Hamil is obviously is a much worse spot and him even surviving is touch and go right now.

“The lights go dark and, all of a sudden, you wake up and I was staring up at the rafters at Joe Louis Arena, looking at retired numbers and banners and what not,” Pronger recalled in a phone interview Tuesday with The Buffalo News. “Kind of turned and glanced over and we had guys crying on the bench, not really knowing what was going on. My equipment was cut open, everything was sliced open with scissors.”

Pronger was rushed to Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and diagnosed with commotio cordis, which is a disruption of rhythm that occurs as a result of a blow to the area directly over the heart at a critical time during the cycle of a heartbeat.

Each test that followed indicated there was no risk in Pronger resuming his career. He played two nights later and helped the Blues advance to Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinal series, which they lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champion Red Wings. Pronger appeared in 949 more games, regular season and playoffs, over the 13 years that followed.


https://www.stltoday.com/sports/sab...cle_8df5aceb-96fb-52d3-9ffd-17faa772152d.html
 

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Someone brought up the hockey player Chris Pronger. I'm not sharing to make any point other than he suffered CC and played as early as the next game and was healthy enough to finish a career. Just thought it was interesting since Hamil is obviously is a much worse spot and him even surviving is touch and go right now.

“The lights go dark and, all of a sudden, you wake up and I was staring up at the rafters at Joe Louis Arena, looking at retired numbers and banners and what not,” Pronger recalled in a phone interview Tuesday with The Buffalo News. “Kind of turned and glanced over and we had guys crying on the bench, not really knowing what was going on. My equipment was cut open, everything was sliced open with scissors.”

Pronger was rushed to Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and diagnosed with commotio cordis, which is a disruption of rhythm that occurs as a result of a blow to the area directly over the heart at a critical time during the cycle of a heartbeat.

Each test that followed indicated there was no risk in Pronger resuming his career. He played two nights later and helped the Blues advance to Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinal series, which they lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champion Red Wings. Pronger appeared in 949 more games, regular season and playoffs, over the 13 years that followed.


https://www.stltoday.com/sports/sab...cle_8df5aceb-96fb-52d3-9ffd-17faa772152d.html
He was fortunate, especially to come out of that back then.

But Hamlin almost certainly isn’t a case of CC, especially with his heart stopping a second time, an hour after the first incident.
 

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I believe guys with camo hats ranting in trucks over stupid doctors with their years of training and specialized experience.

Of course Cletus who struggled high school and never left his hometown knows the REAL truth. Thank Dog for Cletus.
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He was fortunate, especially to come out of that back then.

But Hamlin almost certainly isn’t a case of CC, especially with his heart stopping a second time, an hour after the first incident.
Family spokesperson has come out and said that the report of his heart stopping a second time is inaccurate. It only stopped once on the field and they got it restarted.
 

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Murders and suicide? Geez.

It’s just really sad that because the media keeps saying he’s “improving,” people think they’re just watching a dude pass out.

He literally died at that moment. He has likely been brain dead ever since.
That's my assumption but today his rep said the doctors have seen some signs they were hoping to see. I have no idea what that means but maybe he still has a chance.
 

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I believe guys with camo hats ranting in trucks over stupid doctors with their years of training and specialized experience.

Of course Cletus who struggled high school and never left his hometown knows the REAL truth. Thank Dog for Cletus.
So how about the doctors with the right credentials who don't agree with Big Pharma and the political activists that align with your party? Just curious.

The idea that "The government is right. Big Pharma is ethical and anyone who questions them is a fat redneck" is so stupid especially given how the people you hold in such high regard have been shown to be wrong/liars.
 

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So how about the doctors with the right credentials who don't agree with Big Pharma and the political activists that align with your party? Just curious.

The idea that "The government is right. Big Pharma is ethical and anyone who questions them is a fat redneck" is so stupid especially given how the people you hold in such high regard have been shown to be wrong/liars.
Ok, what Dr's.
 

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The fact that you don't even know any shows how you live in an echo chamber. We already know your view on everything after reading the Ukraine thread.
I know some, I'm curious what you answer. Is Tenpenny one of them? How about Robert Malone? Go ahead and enlighten us.
 

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The fact that you don't even know any shows how you live in an echo chamber. We already know your view on everything after reading the Ukraine thread.
In @BigBlueFanGA's defense, did it suddenly become common knowledge which doctors are a part of big pharma vs the ones that supposedly are being honest and ethical and spreading "the truth?" It seems like the onus is on you to provide info on the doctors that aren't in big pharma's pocket instead of insulting people claiming they live in an echo chamber.
 

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I know some, I'm curious what you answer. Is Tenpenny one of them? How about Robert Malone? Go ahead and enlighten us.
https://yournews.com/2022/06/11/235...tes officially recorded between 1966 and 2004.

Big increase in athletes collapsing and dying. Something is causing it. If we would just look into it, that might resolve some of the 'conspiracy theories' floating around. When experts go out of their way to not do autopsies on athletes that died suddenly it just makes people go "hmmm".

It may not even be the vax but something is causing it. Insurance co's have been showing that there is huge uptick in deaths of otherwise healthy people.
 

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https://yournews.com/2022/06/11/2357621/study-finds-athlete-deaths-are-1700-higher-than-expected-since/#:~:text=Research links COVID-19 vaccines to increase in athlete,of athletes officially recorded between 1966 and 2004.

Big increase in athletes collapsing and dying. Something is causing it. If we would just look into it, that might resolve some of the 'conspiracy theories' floating around. When experts go out of their way to not do autopsies on athletes that died suddenly it just makes people go "hmmm".

It may not even be the vax but something is causing it. Insurance co's have been showing that there is huge uptick in deaths of otherwise healthy people.
Have you read the list of athletes and causes? Epileptic seizures and suicides are in that list. As are 40+ year olds who are more prone to cardiac events. They also don't list which ones are even vaccinated. So what is this study supposed to prove again?
 

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https://yournews.com/2022/06/11/2357621/study-finds-athlete-deaths-are-1700-higher-than-expected-since/#:~:text=Research links COVID-19 vaccines to increase in athlete,of athletes officially recorded between 1966 and 2004.

Big increase in athletes collapsing and dying. Something is causing it. If we would just look into it, that might resolve some of the 'conspiracy theories' floating around. When experts go out of their way to not do autopsies on athletes that died suddenly it just makes people go "hmmm".

It may not even be the vax but something is causing it. Insurance co's have been showing that there is huge uptick in deaths of otherwise healthy people.
Actually, that isn't what the study says at all. Perhaps you should read it.
 

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It will be a proud day for the Paddock when some of y’all have your research papers peer reviewed, then published, then submitted for consideration for Nobel Prize in medicine. I certainly will be proud to know that I read snippets of your great works right here on this very board. I’ll tell all my friends!
 

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https://yournews.com/2022/06/11/2357621/study-finds-athlete-deaths-are-1700-higher-than-expected-since/#:~:text=Research links COVID-19 vaccines to increase in athlete,of athletes officially recorded between 1966 and 2004.

Big increase in athletes collapsing and dying. Something is causing it. If we would just look into it, that might resolve some of the 'conspiracy theories' floating around. When experts go out of their way to not do autopsies on athletes that died suddenly it just makes people go "hmmm".

It may not even be the vax but something is causing it. Insurance co's have been showing that there is huge uptick in deaths of otherwise healthy people.
Yournews.com of course is a completely unbiased news source. I’m “guessing” they also had full and complete coverage of the great election “steal” of 2020 and also in depth coverages of the great climate change hoax.
 
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Yournews.com of course is a completely unbiased news source. I’m “guessing” they also had full and complete coverage of the great election “steal” of 2020 and also in depth coverages of the great climate change hoax.
I could use cnn and their #MuhRussia and you'd believe it?
 

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Have you read the list of athletes and causes? Epileptic seizures and suicides are in that list. As are 40+ year olds who are more prone to cardiac events. They also don't list which ones are even vaccinated. So what is this study supposed to prove again?
That's why I said we need a concerted effort to do serious autopsies on this stuff. They were listing everything as covid death in '19 and '20. Now we are still listing stuff due to politics instead of just doing autopsies and following the data. I said earlier that I'm not even sure it's the vax and not just covid infections or maybe both. Huge spike in deaths and nobody even wants to look at it. You are ready to move on because it's junk. Still got a huge increase in deaths of people age 14 to 35...
 

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That's why I said we need a concerted effort to do serious autopsies on this stuff. They were listing everything as covid death in '19 and '20. Now we are still listing stuff due to politics instead of just doing autopsies and following the data. I said earlier that I'm not even sure it's the vax and not just covid infections or maybe both. Huge spike in deaths and nobody even wants to look at it. You are ready to move on because it's junk. Still got a huge increase in deaths of people age 14 to 35...
From the studies I just read, that the slightly biased article linked, I didn't see this huge number of deaths. They did specifically mention congenital defects caused more than half of the issues with younger athletes.
 

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From the studies I just read, that the slightly biased article linked, I didn't see this huge number of deaths. They did specifically mention congenital defects caused more than half of the issues with younger athletes.
From '66 to 2014 we avg 2.35 athlete deaths per month. From Jan '21 to April '22 we avg 42 deaths per month. Yes many of those are easily explainable for a cause but how do you not see that as a huge jump that needs to be LOOKED at? How can you just say " I don't see a problem. Quit looking"?
 

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From '66 to 2014 we avg 2.35 athlete deaths per month. From Jan '21 to April '22 we avg 42 deaths per month. Yes many of those are easily explainable for a cause but how do you not see that as a huge jump that needs to be LOOKED at? How can you just say " I don't see a problem. Quit looking"?
There are myriad reasons in play. Many fewer athletes 30-50 years ago, were the deaths, illnesses even reported in the same way and so on. The information is too superficial for me to react to very much. I also doubt some of what is being said in that article. Making claims about 5 year rates when we've only had vaccines for 2 years strikes me as odd.
 

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I’m not going to making some argument about vaccines, but I’m also not going to accept the Commotio Cordis nonsense. Why?

1. Never had a recorded case in college or pro ball. So you’re talking about unbelievable odds.

2. 99% of cases happen to boys aged 12-18 (vast majority 12-14 years old). They’re still growing and their hearts aren’t protected the way over-18 aged men’s are.

3. Vast majority of the time it’s the result of a projectile (baseball, hockey puck, etc.).

4. Heart stopped again at hospital, making CC even more unlikely.

So it’s not exactly rational to point to Commotio Cordis either. But that’s where we are as a society. One group says it’s the vaccine and another says it’s something that doesn’t happen to grown men and hasn’t happened in the NFL (or rugby, where they don’t have chest protection) and we’re just pushed into one camp or the other.
TBH, I don't give a **** how it happened. Those who wanna immediately scream, "vaxx"---Go ahead---have at it. Pretty sure those type of people blame their spoiled milk on the vaccine---never mind the fact they left it out for 2 weeks.
 

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Real **** Grom,

My brother passed April 2021 at 27 years young. This incident has utterly decimated my family, parents will never be the same and now I deal with PTSD and other random subconscious trauma's stemming from that incident.

Folks need to give the family space and the media needs to stop trying to martyr this dude before he's even dead. All outlets, including ESPN are constantly shelling out updates for clicks and views. His tragedy is their revenue stream and average Joe and Jane American lap it up and willfully provide. Media will do whatever they can do to keep our attention away from real life issues that affect us all. We peons matter too, it's just who actually cares?
C'mon, now----ESPN's job is literally covering sports. Sports stories....breaking news----coaching changes. I mean they'll talk about a "no call" for 3 weeks----and I hear no complaints. But now we wanna complain b/c of this?

Really? Its their job to cover this. If they didn't, people would ***** about how they don't care, yadda, yadda, yadda....

Just wow.
 

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TBH, I don't give a **** how it happened. Those who wanna immediately scream, "vaxx"---Go ahead---have at it. Pretty sure those type of people blame their spoiled milk on the vaccine---never mind the fact they left it out for 2 weeks.
Seems important to determine the cause and take any possible measures to prevent more incidents, no?
 

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Seems important to determine the cause and take any possible measures to prevent more incidents, no?
Sure....Which makes even more important not to use one's agenda, here...

Right? Maybe it was due to the vax....Then again, maybe it was not.

And FTR, just b/c his heart stopped a second time, does not rule out commito cordis. Yes it's more common in young people, still doesn't mean this could not have been the case.

My issue with this is, people wanna look past medical reason, b/c well, that doesn't suit their----"its b/c of the vax.
 

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The odds of this happening to anyone must be astronomical. In my reading, I think I understand that the hit to the chest must happen just as all the heart valves are closed in its normal cycle.

I would definitely label this as a freak accident.
 
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He was fortunate, especially to come out of that back then.

But Hamlin almost certainly isn’t a case of CC, especially with his heart stopping a second time, an hour after the first incident.
Why do you keep referencing this? Its irrelevant. CC causes an irregular, usually fatal rhythm, that causes cardiac arrest....

Cardiac arrest.... Damage to the heart. Meaning there is always a chance the heart stops again----AKA, cardiac arrest.
 
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Sure....Which makes even more important not to use one's agenda, here...

Right? Maybe it was due to the vax....Then again, maybe it was not.

And FTR, just b/c his heart stopped a second time, does not rule out commito cordis. Yes it's more common in young people, still doesn't mean this could not have been the case.

My issue with this is, people wanna look past medical reason, b/c well, that doesn't suit their----"its b/c of the vax.
I’m not arguing that vaccine induced myocarditis is a factor. But the CDC says something like 1 in 13 million people develop myocarditis from the vaccine. 1 in 200 million people will experience Commotio Cordis from a direct hit to their heart. Those odds change even more when you consider this is a 24 year-old athlete with pads on, who wasn’t hit with a projectile (as seemingly all other people who experience CC are).

To push either one, at this point, seems unreasonable. But the pushing of CC seems to simply be a push for a counter narrative to the vaccine narrative.

Also quite strange that actual doctors or hospital reps have kept silent (we’ve heard from an uncle and marketing rep/friend). And given the medias infatuation with the CC narrative, you’d think the hospital would confirm that in a press conference as quickly as possible.
 
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Why do you keep referencing this? Its irrelevant. CC causes an irregular, usually fatal rhythm, that causes cardiac arrest....

Cardiac arrest.... Damage to the heart. Meaning there is always a chance the heart stops again----AKA, cardiac arrest.
Plenty of legit docs on twitter saying it - that’s why. But apparently the uncle was wrong about the second heart stoppage anyway. So it’s irrelevant.

In any case, to seriously look at CC - who it impacts 99% of the time, the odds of this happening to padded professional athletes, etc. - and come to the conclusion (especially without having actual doctors who are treating him say a single word) is just as ridiculous and irrational as pointing to vaccines. That’s my humble opinion.
 
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I’m not arguing that vaccine induced myocarditis is a factor. But the CDC says something like 1 in 13 million people develop myocarditis from the vaccine. 1 in 200 million people will experience Commotio Cordis from a direct hit to their heart. Those odds change even more when you consider this is a 24 year-old athlete with pads on, who wasn’t hit with a projectile (as seemingly all other people who experience CC are).

To push either one, at this point, seems unreasonable. But the pushing of CC seems to simply be a push for a counter narrative to the vaccine narrative.

Also quite strange that actual doctors or hospital reps have kept silent (we’ve heard from an uncle and marketing rep/friend). And given the medias infatuation with the CC narrative, you’d think the hospital would confirm that in a press conference as quickly as possible.
Ok....But to use"the heart stopped again" as a reason against CC is not relevant. The heart could stop again regardless of what casued it to stop the first time.

My first thought was CC.....Due to the impact, and where he was impacted. But some? Nothing other than "vaccine" came to mind. CLosed book. Hell I didn't even know he was vaccinated.

What is so strange about a hospital being "hush-hush"? Can you recall something like this happening before, and how it was handled? Hospital's have rules----very, very important rules. Not everything is a conspiracy....

FTR, I did not get vaccinated. Nope. I went the safe route, and instead got COVID. 😁
 
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The odds of this happening to anyone must be astronomical. In my reading, I think I understand that the hit to the chest must happen just as all the heart valves are closed in its normal cycle.

I would definitely label this as a freak accident.
The odds, as stated now by numerous heart docs, is 1 in 200 million. And that’s for a direct hit. This dude had pads on and has a chest that most people walking the earth do not have.