Bulldozers?

[512taylor]

Not so fast?

 

[Big Sheep81]

I would guess that our chances of hosting were already small and Cohen would rather travel this year than holding off. Three weeks can make a big difference just due to weather. I'd be happy for them to get after it. Hattiesburg regional would be like home games for us anyway.

 

[8dog]

They arent starting until camps are over mid june anyway

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

RPI Live on Warren Nolan has us #29 now. We would need to be #20 maybe better for any chance to host which would probably require 3 more wins over some combination of Florida, LSU, Kentucky since they are all currently top 10 RPI.

 

[Xenomorph]

aGAIN... Demo starts June 19th, regardless.

 

[KurtRambis4]

How many times has this^ been said?*

*

 

[aTotal360]

Haven't they already started work on the sewers around DNF?

 

[Hankp22]

Our fanbase can handle 1 more weekend of ****** cups

Haven't they already started work on the sewers around DNF?

Nm

 

[bulldogcountry1]

aGAIN... Demo starts June 19th, regardless.

Are you trying to say that a construction contract specifies when work can begin and Cohen can't just snap his fingers to summon an army of demolition equipment when he gets good and ready?**

 

[Xenomorph]

Well...

Are you trying to say that a construction contract specifies when work can begin

I'd have to say.. yeah.

 

[aTotal360]

We don't know the same John Cohen.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Amazing how many people who allegedly attended our engineering-heavy university, are totally clueless about how construction projects are executed. Guess the world still looks big from Sebastapol.

 

[patdog]

If both parties agreed to start early, it wouldn't matter what the contract says, you just execute a quick amendment. That said, I think it was pretty clear we weren't interested in starting early whether we hosted a regional or not or we would have put it in the original contract. It will be interesting to see what the status of the project is on opening day. There's a lot to be done in a short time. Hoping for good weather.

 

[woozman]

If the contractor can start early, he'll ask for an addendum to his contract and he's going to charge for an early mobilization. That is assuming he can expedite his bonds and insurance...

 

[KurtRambis4]

Knowing John

Cohen has nothing to do with it...

 

[johnson86-1]

Amazing how many people who allegedly attended our engineering-heavy university, are totally clueless about how construction projects are executed. Guess the world still looks big from Sebastapol.

Well you had people reporting that equipment was already on site. That would be very fast mobilization, but very doable depending on how the contract was set up when it was bid.

Is it really amazing that plenty of message board posters neither drove by the stadium to see if equipment was really mobilized nor did any due diligence to determine when the start date specified in the contract actually was, but simply took the machinery being on site at face value? Amazing?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Wasn't it determined that

the equipment was doing work related to utilities nearby?

I hate to side with goat here, but he's right. It's amazing how many folks have know idea how construction projects go.

 

[johnson86-1]

the equipment was doing work related to utilities nearby?

I hate to side with goat here, but he's right. It's amazing how many folks have know idea how construction projects go.

I'm sure some people didn't have to determine that the equipment was doing work related to utilities because they already knew, but being informed of the goings on of construction work on and around campus doesn't really have anything to do with how construction projects go.

Six weeks is a quick mobilization, but you can get a quick mobilization if you stress that as important in your bid package. It's also not that rare to have contractors asking for an early NTP because they have the capacity to start work virtually immediately and they want to maximize the amount of time they have on site before any deadlines for performance.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I take it you don't

work in the construction world?

 

[johnson86-1]

work in the construction world?

Depends on what you call the construction world, but no, I only have experience with a few dozen construction projects that were more than a $1M or so and probably only ten or so that were more than $10M+ range. That's still enough though to see quick mobilizations.

I take it you've never been involved as an owner on a project under time constraints?

 

[Bucksnort_Dawg]

There is some utility work going on on the street behind the scoreboard. Traffic is being diverted through the Hump's parking lot. I pass Dudy Noble numerous times a day. Trust me when I say. It's still standing.

 

[KurtRambis4]

$1 million? Impressive.****

*

 

[johnson86-1]

*

so you have zero experience and are going to try to pretend I was claiming $1M is impressive rather than pointing out that even with very limited experience with projects in the tens of millions of dollars range, I have still seen rushed mobilizations by contractors to get work?

 

[KurtRambis4]

This ain't

adding a bathroom to a chuck-e-cheese.

 

[johnson86-1]

adding a bathroom to a chuck-e-cheese.

Go ahead and dig in with your ignorance. You're right, it's "unpossible" to get from opening a sealed bid to awarding the contract, getting it signed, ntp issued and equipment rolling in six weeks for a time sensitive $50M project on an existing site. That would only leave like 40 days for a contractor that had already worked out the logistics to get equipment moving. You clearly understand how construction contacts work and it never happens that owners pay a premium to get a tight construction schedule.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Yeah

now you're just putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about this project, chief.

I realize you took contract law in school, but this is the real world.

 

[Dawgbite]

I just built the official six pack speak sand castle on the beach with a budget of $1.79 for a plastic bucket and shovel. It was a glorious three room structure with a fantastic view. From my extensive experiences in construction I can safely say they will start when they start and finish when they finish. Lot of fat chicks on the beach this morning, WTF?

 

[johnson86-1]

now you're just putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about this project, chief.

I realize you took contract law in school, but this is the real world.

No, you started off with:

...

I hate to side with goat here, but he's right. It's amazing how many folks have know idea how construction projects go.

And while it's not the norm, people thinking that mobilization might start six weeks after a contract is signed is not an indication that they don't know how construction projects work. There certainly could be aspects of this project that require the demolition work to be performed in a particular order that makes a six week mobilization not work, but I don't think people thinking that some demolition work could start six weeks after the contract is signed is an indication of ignorance of construction in general. How much stuff other than the grand stand is out there that could be demolished and removed with pretty run of the mill equipment? Would the school pay more for a less optimized work schedule in exchange for speed? For the football stadium, I don't think here's a doubt they would. For baseball, maybe not, but I wouldn't be shocked if they would.

 

[KurtRambis4]

MY point was

,and always has been, that a lot of folks in these threads have no pm experience on major projects. You've said nothing that has refuted that.