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SIhoosier26

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SDcatfan13 said:
What are your thoughts on Archie Miller? As I said in another thread, I think beating Iowa may be a case of winning the battle but losing the war in that this win gives him a stronger case to return another year.

I see Miller struggling to win an NCAA tournament game at Indiana, and I think if Indiana actually wants to win a couple NCAA games in a season, they need to go in a different direction.
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I was done with him before last night and while it was a good win it's only one game. The need to start showing consistency and that is something that has plagued his teams since coming to IU.

Honestly my biggest worry is that his teams rely so heavily on defense that it makes it difficult to recruit. In 2021 the top recruits (the type of recruits that can carry you deep into the tournament) don't want to play for defensive minded teams that have to win games in the 60s.

His teams play hard but to play really consistent basketball you have to be able to win games in different ways. So far they are too one dimensional.
 
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SIhoosier26 said:
I was done with him before last night and while it was a good win it's only one game. The need to start showing consistency and that is something that has plagued his teams since coming to IU.

Honestly my biggest worry is that his teams rely so heavily on defense that it makes it difficult to recruit. In 2021 the top recruits (the type of recruits that can carry you deep into the tournament) don't want to play for defensive minded teams that have to win games in the 60s.

His teams play hard but to play really consistent basketball you have to be able to win games in different ways. So far they are too one dimensional.
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I think, with IU, it's more a case of having to play in the 60's because we don't have any real scorers outside of TJD.

Armaan Franklin looks like he may have been rounding into another reliable scorer before he rolled his ankle and still may become a reliable scorer, but we'll see. I don't believe kids don't want to play in Archie's system. I simply think Archie lacks personality. He's not going to charm your ear off like Calipari and he isn't going to intimidate you into signing on the bottom line like Coach Knight did. Granted, he isn't DOWNRIGHT WEIRD like Clappy, Archie is just sort of there.

He desperately needs better assistant coaches to help sell IU, because Archie alone, the good coach he is, just lacks the personality to compete for elite talent.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
What do St. Joseph's , Virginia Commonwealth, Wichita State, Dayton, Davidson, George Mason, Butler, Kent State, Memphis, and Loyola-Chicago have in common?

They are among the many, many teams that have been at least as far as the Elite Eight in the NCAA tournament more recently than Indiana.

On the Hoosier Rivals board, some of the more realistic fans are admitting IU has become a mid-major. But not a GOOD mid-major like the ones above.
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MdWIldcat55 said:
What do St. Joseph's , Virginia Commonwealth, Wichita State, Dayton, Davidson, George Mason, Butler, Kent State, Memphis, and Loyola-Chicago have in common?

They are among the many, many teams that have been at least as far as the Elite Eight in the NCAA tournament more recently than Indiana.

On the Hoosier Rivals board, some of the more realistic fans are admitting IU has become a mid-major. But not a GOOD mid-major like the ones above.
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found this gem on the hoosier board:
“Eventually recruiting starts to suffer because they know the coach is eventually on his way out. Also, this is Indiana, just about any coach in the nation would come here for the right price.”
 
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Archie should go back to Dayton

 
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Watched this thread for years but never posted... IU sucks more than anything I can think of. I wish them nothing but bad luck for a million lifetimes!!! Keep on sucking Hoosiers!
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
Losing by double-digits at home to Rutgers in a game they desperately needed to stay on the Bubble may be sucking too much. Even for Indiana.

This was their year - Trace Jackson-Davis back as an all-conference player and most everyone else - to at least make the NCAA tournament for the first time in FIVE YEARS and fifth time in 13 years.

If they blow that, I'm afraid Little Archie (Don't Call me Jughead) is gone. Through trial and error they might get a coach who can go beyond the Sweet 16 - a place they've been once since the year the FIRST Bush left the White House.
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We got there in 1993 and 2002 so twice. But still embarrassing.
 
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dbmhoosier

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MdWIldcat55 said:
My hope was IUse2bee would sneak into the NCAA as a 10-seed, or whatever, which would buy Archie Miller a couple more years. This was his shot - if TJD leaves as expected, they will be horrible next year. So Archie needed this year, and to ensure years of future suckage, I was pulling for him.

But it ain't looking great right now.

10th place in the Big-10. 7-9 in conference, facing games with conference leader Michigan, then @ Purdue, who they haven't beaten since Bobby Knight, it seems, and then @ a desperate Michigan State trying to claw its way on the Bubble.
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Mike Davis actually owned Purdue believe it or not.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
My hope was IUse2bee would sneak into the NCAA as a 10-seed, or whatever, which would buy Archie Miller a couple more years. This was his shot - if TJD leaves as expected, they will be horrible next year. So Archie needed this year, and to ensure years of future suckage, I was pulling for him.

But it ain't looking great right now.

10th place in the Big-10. 7-9 in conference, facing games with conference leader Michigan, then @ Purdue, who they haven't beaten since Bobby Knight, it seems, and then @ a desperate Michigan State trying to claw its way on the Bubble.
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If I was a bettor, I'd say the odds are pretty good that 1. NCAA really wants IU in the tourney and 2. Really wants UK too; and will pair them together in some kind of play-in game (for TV of course).

If that happens, we'll wipe the floor with the candy stripes.

IU sucks.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
Losing by double-digits at home to Rutgers in a game they desperately needed to stay on the Bubble may be sucking too much. Even for Indiana.

This was their year - Trace Jackson-Davis back as an all-conference player and most everyone else - to at least make the NCAA tournament for the first time in FIVE YEARS and fifth time in 13 years.

If they blow that, I'm afraid Little Archie (Don't Call me Jughead) is gone. Through trial and error they might get a coach who can go beyond the Sweet 16 - a place they've been once since the year the FIRST Bush left the White House.
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MdWIldcat55 said:
Well, 1993 was the year Bush 1 left office, so my description of "once since then" is accurate. But I'll change it to clarify. I don't want to exaggerate.

I will say it puts the anxiety of Kentucky fans at losing in the Elite Eight in two out of the last three tournaments - once in Overtime and once on a desperation last second shot - in some perspective.

That's why all this "Cal has to go" after one bad year -- totally mitigated by COVID-19 - is so ridiculous. He has had more success in the last three years - including an outright SEC championship last year - than the Indiana program has had in the last 28 years.
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MdWIldcat55 said:
My hope was IUse2bee would sneak into the NCAA as a 10-seed, or whatever, which would buy Archie Miller a couple more years. This was his shot - if TJD leaves as expected, they will be horrible next year. So Archie needed this year, and to ensure years of future suckage, I was pulling for him.

But it ain't looking great right now.

10th place in the Big-10. 7-9 in conference, facing games with conference leader Michigan, then @ Purdue, who they haven't beaten since Bobby Knight, it seems, and then @ a desperate Michigan State trying to claw its way on the Bubble.
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Md, your insight comes to those of us in southern Indiana like radio free Europe gave hope to those in Prague and Warsaw during the Cold war. We know IU is bad, but your really shine the light on it.
 
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CatEye2010

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MdWIldcat55 said:
The NCAA probably does want IU in the tournament. But at 8-11 in conference and maybe 11th place? To avoid that, they'd need to go at least 2-1 against Michigan, @ a resurgent Michigan State, and @ Purdue.

Otherwise, I think they'd have to win TWO games in the B-10 tournament, to get to maybe 10-12 in conference.
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You're right under the normal way the NCAAT has been done. I meant IF they expanded to say 75 teams to get to teams like UK and IU (mainly because it's in their backyard) for TV play-in games for the $$. They lost a ton of money last year and it wouldn't surprise me if they did that.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
That could happen. At one time I suspected they'd suspend conference tournaments and just let EVERY team in, given the inequities in who played and who didn't.

You could get up to 256 teams (nearly eveyone who even played this year, given some conferences like the Ivies completely shut down) by just adding two games: 128 first round winners and 64 in the second round, then reseed as a regular tournament.
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As a CBB fan that would be pretty awesome. But it's now Feb. 25 and if that was going to happen we'd probably have heard by now.
 
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CatEye2010 said:
You're right under the normal way the NCAAT has been done. I meant IF they expanded to say 75 teams to get to teams like UK and IU (mainly because it's in their backyard) for TV play-in games for the $$. They lost a ton of money last year and it wouldn't surprise me if they did that.
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Hmmm. UK vs. IU at Assembly Hall
 
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Blueworld_3.0

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IU will get the benefit of all the media love being directed at the B1G conference as a whole this season. They could very well be swept into the NCAA tournament via the 'rising tide lifts all ships' mantra.
Personally, I think the Big 12 is a better conference but, it's kind of subjective.
 
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In the 15 seasons since Mike Davis left IU, he has won:

267 games
4 Conference Championships
4 Conference Tournament Championships
And made 9 trips to the post season. (NCAA and NIT)

IU over that same period has won:
279 games
2 Conference Championships
0 Conference Tournament Championships
And made 9 trips to the post season (assuming they would have made it last year)
 
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IU lost last night to MSU. They're now 12-13, 7-11 B1G, and finish at #23 Purdue.

I did a fly-by on their Rivals site. Pretty much like here; just change "Cal" to "Archie" and not much difference.

This is not a "misery loves company" post. We are Kentucky; we will recover and continue as the best.

IU? Not so much.

IU sucks.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
As a Kentucky fan, it has hurt to be terrible most of the time for almost three months.

Indiana has been terrible most of the time for THREE DECADES.

That’s true, unmitigated suckage.
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If you grew up when they were very good, it's just hard to get your head around the passage of time. You have to be over 40 years old now to have really experienced them when they were noteworthy.

If your under 40 you probably have no clue why IU deserves this thread. It's like folks who still want to gripe about Jimmy Carter.
 
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LoavulLou said:
If you grew up when they were very good, it's just hard to get your head around the passage of time. You have to be over 40 years old now to have really experienced them when they were noteworthy.

If your under 40 you probably have no clue why IU deserves this thread. It's like folks who still want to gripe about Jimmy Carter.
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their fans is why they deserve this thread.
 
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MdWIldcat55 said:
I grew up when they were good and their fans were the most obnoxious, ugly, pestilent miscreants on planet earth, which is why I like the thread. We saw a tiny glimpse of what that fan base is capable of at the December 2011 game at *** Hall -- but they were like that constantly when on top.
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Bobby Knight was their role model - so it makes sense.
 
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