IMO it should be now. We can't sustain what we're doing for very much longer. We need more personal protection gear to give to workers which is a challenge in and of itself but the ones that can work need to work.
Business Thread - When should Gov Beshear open the economy back up?
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I think you have to give it another month. I'm for Cuomo's March 15th plan in NY, even if it's killing me to stay inside (I also can't workout or do house work due to injury, AND I can't drink cause of muscle relaxers, so I'm double screwed).
We need to take another 30 days to relieve the hospitals and shrink the number of people carrying the virus. During this time, more tests will be available, more supplies like masks and ventilators are created, and who knows what else will be discovered in a month. But we have to give it more time.
We need to take another 30 days to relieve the hospitals and shrink the number of people carrying the virus. During this time, more tests will be available, more supplies like masks and ventilators are created, and who knows what else will be discovered in a month. But we have to give it more time.
That said, I think we can start opening up our own circle of family and possibly close friends. I have only seen my Dad and mom twice this month and it was from 10 feet away (Dad lives only 1.5 miles away, mom lives 20 miles away). We all agreed we can at least congregate in each other's homes, as long as we are cautious.
That will go a long way in making things easier.
That will go a long way in making things easier.
Everything would be a no brainer if we had adequate testing and PPE. It's kinda like we're in a damned if we do and damned if we don't type of situation as it stands now.
Today. With restrictions for social distancing.
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I keep hearing stories about better, faster and more available testing. I imagine in 4 weeks we will be in that much better of a position to test.
When hospitals can prove they can handle a potential large influx of patients. Of course this means it will happen basically on a county by county or city by city basis.
When the number of new cases has declined every day for at least two weeks. Or at least stayed the same if the locality barely has any cases.
When quick testing results are readily available for everyone.
When PPE is widely available for everyone who wants or needs it without having to make it yourself.
This is a pipe dream in this country since so many find the idea of paid sick leave abhorrent, but when people have an incentive to sit out work when they show symptoms of the virus instead of going to work or having to be sent home from work. I guarantee you people with only mild or even lesser symptoms are going to be trying to go to work because they can’t afford to take some a few days of unpaid sick leave. Hardly anyone got paid sick leave at my last employer and people would go in sick all the time because they needed the money despite it being against company policy to work while sick.
When the number of new cases has declined every day for at least two weeks. Or at least stayed the same if the locality barely has any cases.
When quick testing results are readily available for everyone.
When PPE is widely available for everyone who wants or needs it without having to make it yourself.
This is a pipe dream in this country since so many find the idea of paid sick leave abhorrent, but when people have an incentive to sit out work when they show symptoms of the virus instead of going to work or having to be sent home from work. I guarantee you people with only mild or even lesser symptoms are going to be trying to go to work because they can’t afford to take some a few days of unpaid sick leave. Hardly anyone got paid sick leave at my last employer and people would go in sick all the time because they needed the money despite it being against company policy to work while sick.
I think being able to test easily who has already had the virus is key. My bet is millions have had it and had lesser symptoms and didn’t even know it.
Mid May at the absolute latest. But I think the fed guidelines proposed are solid.
I still think Bashear will go ultra conservative( his only conservative action) and go later. If you’re partnering with the Nazi ***** in Michigan, you’re likely not to do anything too soon.
And I still firmly believe there are Governors out there that will do something different to spite Trump. But that’s just me.
I still think Bashear will go ultra conservative( his only conservative action) and go later. If you’re partnering with the Nazi ***** in Michigan, you’re likely not to do anything too soon.
And I still firmly believe there are Governors out there that will do something different to spite Trump. But that’s just me.
Its not like we are closed now, drove up Hurstbourne here in Louisville yesterday to do a site visit and noticed most of the office buildings had parking lots that were at least half full then stopped by Kroger so I could shop for groceries with hundreds of my closest friends.
We are really just putting small business owners out of business while the big box stores and shipping companies thrive. As I look outside my window now the only one of my immediate neighbors that is currently home is the lady who owns her own business and hasn't been able to open for the last month.
We are currently just killing the economy while slightly slowing the spread as business owners scramble for loans and service industry people apply for unemployment. We are also starting to see some loss of project managers (hopefully temporary) because some of our clients are cutting staff because sales are down.
We are really just putting small business owners out of business while the big box stores and shipping companies thrive. As I look outside my window now the only one of my immediate neighbors that is currently home is the lady who owns her own business and hasn't been able to open for the last month.
We are currently just killing the economy while slightly slowing the spread as business owners scramble for loans and service industry people apply for unemployment. We are also starting to see some loss of project managers (hopefully temporary) because some of our clients are cutting staff because sales are down.
Where do you currently live, KY? It is a good point about small businesses, being shut down, while so many of these large ones found ways to be deemed essential.
But for ever 1% of the population that stays home, we cut off 1% of hosts for the virus to travel to. There's a fine number in there, somewhere.. that if we stay under thig thing dies off. We just have no idea what it is. Can 80% of the population work and go back to normal? Is it 50%? Or is it less than that? We won't know until we try.
I'm in Louisville, just read an article that KY is top 10 in unemployment claims while being bottom 10 per capita in cases. Could just be the case that we are really poor at testing and really good at filling for unemployment, which is probably true.
For NY, especially NYC given the amount of people who take public transportation and live in multifamily housing and the obvious lack of space for distancing that is a completely different beast. But here it's not like we are just going to flip a switch and things be full again, it's going to be a while.
For NY, especially NYC given the amount of people who take public transportation and live in multifamily housing and the obvious lack of space for distancing that is a completely different beast. But here it's not like we are just going to flip a switch and things be full again, it's going to be a while.
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At some point weve crossed the Rubicon re: lives adversely affected by CV19 exposure v lives adversely affected due to economic restrictions. At what point do the millions of people unemployed outweigh the thousands who will invariably pass from this virus? I dont know the answer, but I know if I were on charge Id be doing everything possible to get vaxs and PPE etc rolled out before that aforementioned date arrives. Im fortunate that Ive been working business as usual this whole time. And it still sucks with all of the restrictions. I cant imagine what the hell you folks cooped up at home are doing all this time. Id go insane.
Ohio and Michigan have announced they want to start opening on May 1. They are much larger and have worse numbers than KY. They are in the Midwest coalition that Beshear signed on with. He cannot go any later than May 1, especially if these states get jump started May 1.
I really don’t understand why we haven’t opened some factories to start making this stuff. I read yesterday that there are 1.4 million tests tied up in some warehouse in China. Fuq China. Start making the stuff ourselves, for ourselves.
Yeah NYC is in for the long-haul. Lots of people living on top of each other, lots of multi-generational homes. One has to wonder, if this will be one of those shifts from city-dwelling to suburban/rural living. Please like KY and even more suburb areas like Albany, are going to open sooner. And regardless of that, the chance of infection just won't be nearly as severe.
If I was in NYC at this time, I'd be making plans to get out and never come back. We're finding out most people can WFH anyways. I'd go right up the Hudson to a smaller town and train in when I need to.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1
This preprint (not peer reviewed) article says a lot more people have had this.
You are talking about R0(R naught). Basically the rate at which an infected person infects others. For Coronavirus I’ve seen different numbers. But basically each infected person infects 2-3 others. I think it is a number that can be known with better/more testing. What we really need is to test a random sample, not just people that have symptoms. That plus antibody testing would be very helpful.
My oldest son in late January early February was sick. Took him to the dr. Fever, sore throat, cough, felt like crap. Negative for flu, strep, and mono. Treated it as a sinus infection. Had a fever for 2-3 days. Coughed for 2 weeks. Slept a ton. I would not bet he had it but I would not be surprised if he did.
When mass(short turnaround) testing is available to the entire country open it up. Then:
1. Keep promoting social distancing and hygiene.
2. Restrict mass gatherings. Pick a number. Say 50.
3. Give OSHA guidelines to all businesses.
4. Lock down the at risk long term care facilities.
5. Send China a giant container full of human ****.
1. Keep promoting social distancing and hygiene.
2. Restrict mass gatherings. Pick a number. Say 50.
3. Give OSHA guidelines to all businesses.
4. Lock down the at risk long term care facilities.
5. Send China a giant container full of human ****.
Glad he recovered.
I had pretty much the same in early March. Tested for flu..negative. Because of my high risk(RA), they loaded me with antibiotics and in a few days, I was doing good. It haunts me. I would love to get a test of some type to see if it was just Bronchitis or the virus.
It’s also possible that he was not tested at the exact right time point (viral load too low).
In late February, I had flu like symptoms and tested negative for flu. Luckily for me, my wife is a medical provider, so she tested me for strep (negative). She prescribed me the flu medication based on my symptoms. The chill, fever, and muscle aches went away quickly, but my throat got worse. I tested for strep again (2nd time was positive).
In her opinion, I had flu followed by strep. But, like your son,I didn’t actually test positive for flu. She also told me that she had seen a lot of kids in clinic that tested negative for both, but had bad fever, aches, and chills. Something was going around.
I hope we get a good antibody test soon to find out.
I mean, Emirates seems to have blood test they're using that gives results in 10 minutes...
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...irates-screens-flyers-for-covid-19-with-blood
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...irates-screens-flyers-for-covid-19-with-blood
We should open it now. The whole point of flattening the curve was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed and they are FAR from capacity. But an when leftists like Beshear taste a little bit of power you better believe he's gonna cling to it. KY will prob be the last state to open.
Even assuming a certain number of false positives, these results are astonishing. Even if 50% of the positives are false, which is unlikely, this still means that the actual numbers of infected is 25 to 40 times that of confirmed infected.
Which wouldmean a true CFR about considerably less than one half of one percent.
The study also actually noted a larger chance for false negatives than false positives.
Bama's plan is immediate and they are a helluva lot worse than us in KY...it's called common sense.
https://ltgov.alabama.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Reopening-Alabama-Responsibility-Phase-1.pdf
https://ltgov.alabama.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Reopening-Alabama-Responsibility-Phase-1.pdf
134 new KY cases. 40 attached to long term care facilities (30%)
8 new deaths. 5 of the 8 were long term care residents. 1 was an inmate.
He is sticking to the Presidents gateway guidelines and says we need 14 days with declining cases - they say we haven’t had any decline yet. So according to them, That would be least 14 days more.
(even though the national guidelines also say if you increase your testing, your numbers will go up - but if the percent positive of testing goes down, you can use that) sounds like we won’t. Some states are even using droppage I’m rate of increase, which is even easier.
Beshear and Stack trying to place the long term lock down on the White House, it seems.
Sounds like Beshear has had a lot of trouble increasing testing and securing PPE. Even Kroger had to reach out to him to add testing sites.
I don’t know - sounds like he is going to ride this out a long time.
8 new deaths. 5 of the 8 were long term care residents. 1 was an inmate.
He is sticking to the Presidents gateway guidelines and says we need 14 days with declining cases - they say we haven’t had any decline yet. So according to them, That would be least 14 days more.
(even though the national guidelines also say if you increase your testing, your numbers will go up - but if the percent positive of testing goes down, you can use that) sounds like we won’t. Some states are even using droppage I’m rate of increase, which is even easier.
Beshear and Stack trying to place the long term lock down on the White House, it seems.
Sounds like Beshear has had a lot of trouble increasing testing and securing PPE. Even Kroger had to reach out to him to add testing sites.
I don’t know - sounds like he is going to ride this out a long time.
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EXACTLY. I said before that he was going to drag this out a long time.
He made it perfectly clear that THIS CAME FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. (So don’t blame me if I keep you closed down)
We’re not going to get to at least Phase 1, if we continue this testing rate, until June.
Prepare for it.
He won’t last that long - protests started yesterday, I can only imagine 2-3 wks from now, they may tear the building down if it were another 6 wks.
Thinks they could loosen up healthcare leading into May, loosen up a small few things doing May and would feel really optimistic at the end of May. Shew
Democratic governors will hold out the longest. Unfortunately this has become a Blue vs Red issue.
The testing ball was just kicked back to the states in an impressive fashion by Dr Birx.
KY has the capacity to run 40-50 tests per 1000...during the height of New Orleans peak, they tested 27/1000 and squashed it. Italy 20/1000.
Beshear needs to let em hang and get in touch with anybody and everybody to get everything needed to run capacity. Reach out to the huge businesses based in KY and see what strings they can pull. Do it.
KY has the capacity to run 40-50 tests per 1000...during the height of New Orleans peak, they tested 27/1000 and squashed it. Italy 20/1000.
Beshear needs to let em hang and get in touch with anybody and everybody to get everything needed to run capacity. Reach out to the huge businesses based in KY and see what strings they can pull. Do it.