Buy/Sell: Croom dumps McCorvey before the year's out....

[TR.sixpack]

to keep from losing the majority of our recruits.

 

[Frexzell]

No way he ever fires him.

 

[Hundpfundfels]

No way croom ever fires him...you may see a showdown between byrne and croom about the offense at the end of the year though

 

[weblow]

No way croom ever fires him...you may see a showdown between byrne and croom about the offense at the end of the year though

I agree, or at least want to believe that Byrne will give an ultimatum. My question is this. If Byrne says that Woody has to go, does he have any leverage to back him up? If Croom refuses to fire Woody, can Byrne turn around and get rid of croom without paying out his contract? If Byrne has to pay out the entire contract for Croom, he doesn't really have anything to threaten him with, right?

 

[cowbellpresident]

Croom can still run his WCO -

 

[Hundpfundfels]

Good point...yeah I'm thinking Byrne has less leverage than last year before we threw all this money out there.... Ideally, if our offense continues as is that maybe just maybe Croom will see how inept it is and listen to the man. Judging from the stubbornness that he has shown throughout his coaching career here I doubt this option will happen. Byrne has shown since he has been running this show that he is a man of action, he doesn't play around and he is not afraid to make some changes. Financially I don't know if we can just up and buy the man out. I guess I am just holding out hope that somehow Byrne can find a way to get us out of this west coast offense and finally come up with some sort of offense and that can complement the defense.

 

[OEMDawg]

The only dumping Crooms does is in his toilet after Sunday buffet.

 

[Todd4State]

to keep from losing the majority of our recruits.

And here's the problem- we're telling Croom to fire his best friend. That would be hard for me to do if I was in this situation. At the same time, that's why there's that saying- never hire your friends.

 

[patdog]

He doesn't have to fire Croom if Croom refuses to fire McCorvey. All he has to do is tell Croom, "Either you fire McCorvey or I'll fire him."

 

[Todd4State]

He doesn't have to fire Croom if Croom refuses to fire McCorvey. All he has to do is tell Croom, "Either you fire McCorvey or I'll fire
him."

I imagine that would be Croom basically choosing to leave rather than us forcing him to leave. If that's the case, Croom would be the one breaching the contract, not MSU.

 

[patdog]

I imagine that would be Croom basically choosing to leave rather than us forcing him to leave. If that's the case, Croom would be the one breaching the contract, not MSU.

Although I really don't think it would come to all that. The scenario I could see happening is Byrne tells Croom to fire McCorvey. Croom refuses. Byrne says, either you fire him or I will. Croom then decides to either tell McCorvey to "find another job" or starts to negotiate a reduced buyout to his contract. I doubt anyone will be officially fired, but I'll be shocked if McCorvey doesn't "resign" at the end of the season. And I'm still holding out some hope that Croom will resign too with a reduced buyout.

 

[maroonmania]

that as many have talked about here, firing Woody may not solve anything. I personally don't know who is more responsible for the offensive ineptness, Croom, Woody or the entire collective offensive staff. But at this point, into the 5th year, some type of change needs to be made even if it ends up being symbolic. Unless somebody knows of monetary resources for MSU that I'm not aware of, Croom won't be going anywhere for at least 2 more years so some other change has to be made. Its really a shame Croom has to be so stubborn about his offense, because he does bring a lot of positives to our program in regards to team work ethic and PR for MSU. Many things have improved since he took over but the offense is not one of them, its actually gotten worse.

 

[maroonmania]

that as many have talked about here, firing Woody may not solve anything. I personally don't know who is more responsible for the offensive ineptness, Croom, Woody or the entire collective offensive staff. But at this point, into the 5th year, some type of change needs to be made even if it ends up being symbolic. Unless somebody knows of monetary resources for MSU that I'm not aware of, Croom won't be going anywhere for at least 2 more years so some other change has to be made. Its really a shame Croom has to be so stubborn about his offense, because he does bring a lot of positives to our program in regards to team work ethic and PR for MSU. Many things have improved since he took over but the offense is not one of them, its actually gotten worse.

 

[maroonmania]

that as many have talked about here, firing Woody may not solve anything. I personally don't know who is more responsible for the offensive ineptness, Croom, Woody or the entire collective offensive staff. But at this point, into the 5th year, some type of change needs to be made even if it ends up being symbolic. Unless somebody knows of monetary resources for MSU that I'm not aware of, Croom won't be going anywhere for at least 2 more years so some other change has to be made. Its really a shame Croom has to be so stubborn about his offense, because he does bring a lot of positives to our program in regards to team work ethic and PR for MSU. Many things have improved since he took over but the offense is not one of them, its actually gotten worse.

 

[OMlawdog]

I still say MSU keeps 90% of the recruits currently committed.

 

[patdog]

won't solve the root problem. But if Croom's forced to fire him, it will put him on notice that he'll be fired a year later if he keeps running the offense the same old way just with a new coordinator. As for monetary resources to fire Croom, we get a $10,000,000 annual raise in our TV revenue beginning next year, so the money to buy out his contract will be there if needed.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

that as many have talked about here, firing Woody may not solve anything. I personally don't know who is more responsible for the offensive ineptness, Croom, Woody or the entire collective offensive staff. But at this point, into the 5th year, some type of change needs to be made even if it ends up being symbolic. Unless somebody knows of monetary resources for MSU that I'm not aware of, Croom won't be going anywhere for at least 2 more years so some other change has to be made. Its really a shame Croom has to be so stubborn about his offense, because he does bring a lot of positives to our program in regards to team work ethic and PR for MSU. Many things have improved since he took over but the offense is not one of them, its actually gotten worse.

 

[Todd4State]

with Croom's attitude towards the spread, we will be running the WCO- which he doesn't know how to run, even though that's what he's calling it- no matter what. The sad thing is that when he is forced to fire Woody, our only hope probably is Al Borges. How sad is that? And that's assuming that Borges will be allowed to run his version which is the real one.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I know that the assistant coaches are employed/contracted to the University, not to Croom, but Croom's contract might have a clause giving him most of the control over which coaches are hired or fired. Does anyone know specific details. The way I see it, the only way Woodrow goes is if Byrne fires him or if he resigns.

 

[Todd4State]

I know that the assistant coaches are employed/contracted to the University, not to Croom, but Croom's contract might have a clause giving him most of the
control over which coaches are hired or fired. Does anyone know specific details. The way I see it, the only way Woodrow goes is if Byrne fires him or if he
resigns.

but I'm going to guess that Byrne has the power to do such as he is over the entire AD and Croom. That way if a coach goes out and does something that embarasses the University, like beat his wife or put up 2 points a game on offense, we could get rid of them. Croom has the power to fire them as their supervisor as well, obviously.

 

[weblow]

That is what I am wondering, does Croom have absolute control over his Coaching staff on who goes. Could he basically say NO I am not firing him what are you going to do about it. I agree it doesn't solve the problem but at least it is something. The problem will not be solved until Croom is gone but we have got to have a change of some sorts. I agree that Croom is at fault but the offensive players are just not coached. From the quarterbacks to the line they are not coached worth a damn. They are not the quality players that you see at a lot of other SEC schools but with a different coach we could certainly compete. We have got to get some talent at the head coach spot first and then go from there.