Buy/sell. Getting Russell at State would be worth keeping

rugbdawg

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Croom for one more year. If and only if this is the real situation. Maybe we keep Russell even if he gets fired?

I'm actually going to buy. We are going to suck next year anyway. We have no defense left and the offense...

Why not have a good QB for the new coach to work with for three years?
 

rugbdawg

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Croom for one more year. If and only if this is the real situation. Maybe we keep Russell even if he gets fired?

I'm actually going to buy. We are going to suck next year anyway. We have no defense left and the offense...

Why not have a good QB for the new coach to work with for three years?
 

patdog

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But no recruit or player is more important than the head coach. Not even close.

(Good coach - Crxxm) >>> (Russell - no Russell)
 

8dog

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State fans need to quit acting like its super impossible to find a qb. We act like Russell is a once in a lifetime deal. We just need better QB coaching and better offensive lines.
 

DerHntr

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we would red shirt him the first year until the 8th game of the season so that he could learn the offense and be coached up. then he would come in and throw three pics on the first game and never get his confidence back. following the year he would transfer to Troy and become an all world quarterback as a junior and go into the NFL draft after one season of full time play.

/seriously though... any tuteledge he receives from this coaching staff will taint him.
 

omaha08

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8Dog said:
State fans need to quit acting like its super impossible to find a qb. We act like Russell is a once in a lifetime deal. We just need better QB coaching and better offensive lines.
TO COME TO MSU I want to believe this kid can be special at State because we sure havent had a special qb since maybe John Bond? Russell has a lot of talent and good size to him (for a change) If I knew he would stay committed to State if Croom left, I say can his ***, but who knows........ you tell me what other quality SEC qb is out there chomping at the bit to come to State.
 

olemissbydamn

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You have already lost Patterson and are well on your way to losing the inroads you have with Bumpis and some of the others. What about the rest of your class? Is Russell worth getting **** players at the rest of your positions? For all fans here (GoatHolder mostly) who have bragged about how Crooms recruiting has gotten better (and it has improved/but still not great), one look at your roster will show you that in year five you still have huge holes next year. It isn't worth it for one QB with no other offers who may or may not pan out anyway.

At some point you cut your losses.

Assuming you fire Croom and bring in a new coach....The new coach will notice the huge gaping hole you guys have and begin working hard to retain Russell or bring in someone equal. Croom is the only coach in NCAA football who seems to make light of the QB position. Whoever else you bring in will be a huge upgrade.</p>
 

seshomoru

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Getting one player who hasn't even gotten a toe in his maroon striped knee high socks versus getting rid of a terrible coach I have watched for almost five years? That's an easy choice.
 

Stormrider81

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Russell being "coached" by Croom and Woody would be almost equal to not having Russell at all (assuming he is all he is made out to be).
 

RebelBruiser

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Anyone that would even consider buying has obviously forgotten watching us over recent years with our hyped QB recruits. It's especially difficult with QB recruits to tell who is going to be good and who is going to be a bust. Another example is Nick Stephens. When he committed to us, many of our fans thought he was going to be the next big thing for us. Now look at him at UT. He's starting, but he's really no better than Seth Adams was for us last year.
 

ckDOG

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If Croom stays and Russell comes - one year of coaching will ruin him. Regression seems to be a common theme among our QBs under Croom.

I'm starting to think Croom could coach Joe Montana into mediocre performance.</p>
 

olemissbydamn

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RebelBruiser said:
Now look at him at UT. He's starting, but he's really no better than Seth Adams was for us last year.
He has a better rating than Snead. The dude is better than Seth Adams. You took that a little far. Nick Stephens hasn't thrown an INT in 69 attempts. Jevan throws one every 18.5 attempts, which is exactly the same rate that Seth Adams threw interceptions.
 

omaha08

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Don't get me wrong I agree with Croom needing to go, but saying would we rather keep Russell and have **** at other positions?
 

MSUCE99

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olemissbydamn said:
RebelBruiser said:
Now look at him at UT. He's starting, but he's really no better than Seth Adams was for us last year.
He has a better rating than Snead. The dude is better than Seth Adams. You took that a little far. Nick Stephens hasn't thrown an INT in 69 attempts. Jevan throws one every 18.5 attempts, which is exactly the same rate that Seth Adams threw interceptions.

But HEY, I saw Snead chase down a turnover and make a helluva TD-saving tackle, so that right there shows you he's a good quarterback.

Signed,
Sylvester Croom
 

Todd4State

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And I know this may be an extreme example, but it's another angle to look at- what if we hired Paul Johnson and started running the flexbone, and we also started to win consistently with it? Russell may say, "I don't want to run that type of offense", move on and we would both end up for the better.
 

RebelBruiser

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I hadn't looked at his stats. All I knew is he wasn't moving their offense at all. He's completing less than 50% of his passes, and he led them to a whopping 13 points and 9 first downs against NIU and only 10 first downs against UGA. UT's biggest offensive output with Stephens at QB was 20 points against MSU. They've only scored 47 points offensively in 3 games, or about 15 per game, with him as the starter.

I'd take the no INTs stat right now, but I still think he's a good example of a QB that hasn't really been what a lot of people thought he'd be. You could say the same for Snead to this point as well. He's been very pedestrian, though he's shown potential at times.
 

olemissbydamn

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RebelBruiser said:
I hadn't looked at his stats. All I knew is he wasn't moving their offense at all. He's completing less than 50% of his passes, and he led them to a whopping 13 points and 9 first downs against NIU and only 10 first downs against UGA. UT's biggest offensive output with Stephens at QB was 20 points against MSU. They've only scored 47 points offensively in 3 games, or about 15 per game, with him as the starter.

I'd take the no INTs stat right now, but I still think he's a good example of a QB that hasn't really been what a lot of people thought he'd be. You could say the same for Snead to this point as well. He's been very pedestrian, though he's shown potential at times.
Let's be honest. Snead has has been in a college system since January of 2006 getting reps. He went throught the spring of 2006 at Texas (even playing a couple of college games), transferred, went through a year practicing at OM in 2007 knowing he would start the next year, and then went through the spring of 08 at OM taking all of the reps. He has started every game this season.

Now let's contrast Nick Stephens...

Until this spring Stephens has been behind Ainge & Crompton. He hasn't hardly gotten even 2nd team reps until this spring. Nobody, including him, expected him to play until 3 weeks ago.

How can you say he hasn't met expectations, when he was never even expected to play this season. So sure he hasn't lit it up, but he has managed the offense. I wish Snead would do that instead of tossing the ball to the other team. It doesn't matter how many yards you throw for if you are also throwing to the other team. If Stephens continues to progress, he will be a good QB at UT. UT has more problems than just the QB position.
 

Stormrider81

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"It doesn't matter how many yards you throw for if you are also throwing to the other team."

This was a point I argued when Henig was our QB in 2006. He had a few decent games in terms of yards but killed the team with completion percentage and interceptions. Those two stats are of vital importance to me when judging a QB.
 

War Machine Dawg

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Losing Crxxms doesn't mean we for sure lose Russell. Hire a real coach with a real offense and I think we keep Russell. He obviously likes the school on a lot of levels outside of Crxxms being coach. Play to those, bring in an exciting, proven offensive guy and show Russell exactly how he'd be used in that offense. Let him know he'll have a shot to start on opening day, because he will, when you think about our lack of QBs. Make sure you have a dedicated QB coach, not an OC/QB coach splitting duties like we've done forever at MState. Tell him the QB coach will help develop him and maximize his talent. That for the first time in ages, he'll progress as an MState QB as opposed to regressing. Having the 117th ranked scoring offense won't get but 1-2 good players a year to come play for us.
 

ArrowDawg

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.....making any impact at MSU, and the current staff will only serve to ruin him. If I had my choice, I'd fire Crxxms and hope Russell doesn't bolt.