Buy/Sell .....Mullen to AZ and Hud to MSU is a Win/Win.

[goldenwavedawg]

Byrne gets his man.
Mullen gets away from SEC recruiting.
Hud gets the job he wants.
MSU gets a coach who understands SEC recruiting.

 

[goldenwavedawg]

Byrne gets his man.
Mullen gets away from SEC recruiting.
Hud gets the job he wants.
MSU gets a coach who understands SEC recruiting.

 

[goldenwavedawg]

Byrne gets his man.
Mullen gets away from SEC recruiting.
Hud gets the job he wants.
MSU gets a coach who understands SEC recruiting.

 

[Goat Grindin]

And how the hell do some people think Mullen doesn't know what he's doing recruiting? <div>
</div><div>Exhibit A: Cam Newton. Mullen knew the guy was dominant way before everybody else.</div><div>Exhibit B: He coached at Florida. Do you think he didn't recruit at all there?</div><div>Exhibit C: He's at Mississippi State. He has recruited just as good as any other coach we've had there.</div><div>
</div><div>We've got a damn good coach in Starkville right now. But I'm not saying that Hudspeth wouldn't be just as good. I wanted him when Croom got fired too. But I think we made out just fine. </div><div>
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[Coach34]

Just an educated hunch

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

if mullen beats auburn and state is 4-2(1-2) no one would consider trading him for hud. absolutely insane. win/lose. sell.

 

[cowbell9]

..going nowhere......at this time

 

[SanfordRJones]

Arizona isn't in the Bible Belt. Scientologists are welcome there if they can win. Petersen to Arizona.

 

[jackbaddawg]

to Arizona . This will make Byrne look like a Bill Gates type genious .

 

[Repeat Offender]

We finally have a top tier coach and we want to trade him for ULL's coach and start over with a new system? Hell no.

 

[Dawgfann1977]

You are correct, Mullen is great X's and O's coach, but good recruiter he is not. Also, Mullen has made some questionable hires with Mirando, and some of the game management decisions. I like Mullen and think he could be one of the best coaches MSU has ever had; however we are paying him 2.6 to recruit talent (imo he has failed at this), hire good assitants, and win football games. If and when we make another hire Hud should be the first call.

 

[SnakePlissken]

nt

 

[bulliegolfer]

AZ won't hire Hud or Mullen. I think they go after Petersen and if he's not interested, someone from out west.

 

[was21]

one of their top priorities.

 

[Dawgology]

Really? really.... Croom had some good classes but he had an advantage and recruiting has changed since sherrill. And don't think a university that has the power and connections to so blatantly pay player (AU) doesn't have the money and connections to get us hammered if we get caught doing something. Trust me there are alot of eyes on us right now just looking for a slip up.

Mullen is playing with the hand dealt him. We have had one....one....good season after a decade of shitastic football. Give the guy a little time. It will take a few years to start reeling them in but when we do it is going to be great! Mullen has motivated $$$$ behind this program with major facility upgrades and he has us winning the ones we are supposed to win. We will get there.

Patience padawan.....

 

[Dental Dawg]

You may like what the other wife has to offer but it's highly unlikely.
Unless you have a pineapple on your front porch and live in Reunion.

 

[Seinfeld]

Part 1 is simply locating talent, and I think that Mullen has a very keen eye for that. Part 2 is landing the talent, and Mullen has had a much bigger issue with that. We're all saying that it's about "playing the game" and maybe it is but whatever the case, he just isn't getting the big names that his staff is going after.

That said, let's be honest... No football coach at MSU has ever been able to do that without subsequently being under NCAA investigation so I don't think it's extremely fair to blast the guy for it. However, if he really wants to build this into a championship program, he's going to have to figure out a way to do it.

BTW, I agree with the push. I have no idea why anyone would think that Hudspeth would suddenly come in and do a much better job than Mullen. Looking back to 3 years ago, Mullen has done everything that most of us asked for and more but fans got a little greedy after last year's instant success.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

<div>Exhibit A: Cam Newton. Mullen knew the guy was dominant way before everybody else.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Did he land Cam? Recruiting is more about who you sign, rather than who you spot. Others knew about Cam; they were just reluctant to recruit him because of his off the field issues. </span>

</div><div>Exhibit B: He coached at Florida. Do you think he didn't recruit at all there?

<span style="font-weight: bold;">According to Meyer in his book, Mullen was somewhat strange and not the best recruiter and caused FL to almost lose Tebow. </span>

</div><div>Exhibit C: He's at Mississippi State. He has recruited just as good as any other coach we've had there.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Jackie Sherrill disagrees.</span>
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[Negative Waves]

All this Hudspeth talk reminds me of all the folks screaming for old Bobby Wallace back in the 90's and early 2000's. Good grief, we haven't even finished the season and some of you folks are subtly hinting that we need to run Mullen off.

 

[paindonthurt_]

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[Chuck Cunningham]

I like Mullen, and think he'll eventually come around on how to recruit (read: play the game), but if he doesn't or he leaves on his own soon, we need to hire Hud next.

 

[Incognegro]

<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">

Exhibit C: He's at Mississippi State. He has recruited just as good as any other coach we've had there.<br style="min-width: 0px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "><span style="min-width: 0px; font-weight: bold; ">Jackie Sherrill disagrees.</span>

<span style="min-width: 0px; font-weight: bold; "></span></span></div><div>Why the 17 do you think we were under probation in the first place? I'd much rather get players without offering them money and risk the chance of being investigated by the NCAA. Do you really want Mullen to put our program back in that predicament?</div>

 

[Chuck Cunningham]

• Cam Newton: That was no big surprise. Watch the guy play one time and anyone saw he was going to be a monster.
• Coached at UF: Well, you don't have to recruit the same way at UF as you do at MSU. We have a much smaller pool of players, fewer resources, and no recent history of tremendous success to lean on when recruiting nationally. I'm oversimplifying, but you can almost walk into a wide receiver's home anywhere in the country with a Gator visor on and be on his short list. Not so for MSU. Plus, you have a close-knit network of high school coaches and 'advisors' to players that a successful coach needs to be connected with around this state. Mullen has fired or alienated a few guys who were in that network, and exacerbated the problem by hiring more outsiders. I think he'll eventually learn the ropes because he's a smart guy, but he has an uphill battle right now. Hud is well-liked within that network.
• Recruited just as good as any other coach: First, is that really our goal? To recruit as well as any MSU coach in the past? ****, I hope not. Secondly, no he hasn't. Jackie came in and used connected individuals to get in the door with some coaches and players. He also recruited Jucos better. Heck, even Croom could use his "Son of a Preacherman", "Take care of your boy like he was my own", "We're doing it the RIGHT WAY" schtick with Momma to land some good local players. Mullen doesn't do any of that... yet. I hope he starts soon.

 

[Chuck Cunningham]

Those who want get players without offering benefits, and those who would prefer to win. I'd love to know how this board would vote.

 

[Incognegro]

I'm a little interested to see the results too.

 

[MemphisMaroon]

We knock on OM for claiming recruiting titles and talking smack about guys they take who we're after, and have enjoyed the fact that Mullen has put a competitive product on the field (besides the Georgia game). But now there is a vocal group of fans who would rather have the coach who they think can win recruiting titles and assume he'll produce on the field because his Sun Belt team is doing well?

When did segments of our fan base become this delusional and short sided? Sad.

 

[AROB44]

We knock on OM for claiming recruiting titles and talking smack about guys they take who we're after, and have enjoyed the fact that Mullen has put a competitive product on the field (besides the Georgia game). But now there is a vocal group of fans who would rather have the coach who they think can win recruiting titles and assume he'll produce on the field because his Sun Belt team is doing well?

When did segments of our fan base become this delusional and short sided? Sad.

Oh...I'd say around themid 1950's.

 

[klerushund]

...still waiting on him to beat a West team besides Ole Miss.

 

[Dan Druff]

SELL HARD...what the hell is the infatuation with Hud??

The guy had a lot of success as a head coach at North Alabama, WHOOPIE.... and he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag here at State. Hate to tell you guys, but the lack of WR production is not on Mirando, it's on Relf. Getting rid of Mullen or letting him go to Zona would me monumentally stupid.

 

[msu4life07]

I worked in the athletic department for two years. I started when Croom was about to get fired and was there during Byrne's tenure. Mythen girlfriendis also good friends with Tyla Hudspeth (Mark's wife) and I can tell you two things I learned:

1. Byrne doesn't like Mullen all that much. He loved that he won and he loved his ability to get fans excited and he knew that Mullen was the best coach for our program, but they clashed a few times in the office. Mullen is arrogant, loud, and hard headed (most big time head coaches are) so they were by no means close (personal) friends. Because of this, I doubt he would be Byrne's first choice. Also, for what it's worth, I think Mullen and Stricklin get along really well.

2. Hudspeth will not leave the South for a coaching job. I can guarantee you this. He has two kids with his first wife that live in north MS (I think Grenada?) and he won't take a job that is far from them. Obviously, as everyone knows, his dream job is MSU.

 

[Duane Chapman]

Byrne hired/tolerated Mullen at MSU, despite the fact that he didn't"like him all that much",because he felt he was the best coach for our program,but he would foregoArizona's best interestbecause of this "dislike"? That makes sense. Also, Mullen and Byrne sure seemed pretty chummy celebrating after the 09 Egg Bowl victory.

 

[Duane Chapman]

As other's have stated, Mullen has exceeded reasonable expections since taking over. Nothing about Mullen leaving could be considered a win at this point.

I would also like to point out that youlist Mullen getting away from SEC recruiting as a positive for MSU, then turn around and suggest that he doesn't understand SEC recruiting.

 

[was21]

asdf

 

[harrydawg.sixpack]

What about people with pineapples on there back porch? Is this a gay thing?

 

[Rebels7]

creepyku

 

[gravedigger]

we lose the man
we get a coach who understands sec recruiting and has as much success at it as

the last two who did

Tyler and Sherrill.

I'm sorry, i dont care how much success we got to enjoy under them, there is no way in HELL i want to think that the best we can hope for is another trip to death row with a last minute repreive by hiring someone that has marginal success.

Sorry......Hud is not a ideal for me.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

so you're saying you wouldn't if hud was coach and mullen went to arizona. the guy lost 3, 3 17in games and now people don't care if he leaves. jesus tap dancing christ. do you expect him to win the 17in west in 3 17in years? have you actually seen the other 4 teams in the west the last 2 years? you're delusional if you think hud coming would give us a better chance than mullen does. what the 17 is wrong with our fans? what have we done in the past that makes you think being a top-tier west team will take 3 years. we've never been a top half sec team for 17s sake

 

[was21]

..not that road

 

[triton28]

I like our chances with hud. am i delusional? i been talking about this guy on this board for years. First it was that he was only a d 2head coach and would get slaughtered in D1. Next thing you know hes at state and everyone is all over Diaz cause hes obviously more qualified than hud. Now he is at the hardest damn job in d1 football still winning games and he still hasnt done enough. Mullen is 4 damn losses away from a losing record in his time here. Im beginning to question him. does that make me delusional?

 

[was21]

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