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All Notre Dame has to do to go to a BCS bowl is win 9 games. When you look at their schedule, 9 games is very attainable year in and year out. They won six this year and lost their last 4 in the final minutes of each game. They truly aren't that far away provided they can find a QB, and we are talking about the coach who recycled the guy from Wake who had that major injury.
that they are able to win a BCS bowl. Although they have the easiest path to a BCS game I simply don't think they'll have enough defense to stop another BCS conference team in a big bowl.
Also, off subject but i think ND people feel everyone else either loves them or hates them, whereas the realitiy is most people don't care either way and ND people want those that don't care about them to hate them, b/c if you hate them it makes them relevant.
Over/Under on Kelly at ND, i'll handicap it at 5 years.
Also, off subject but i think ND people feel everyone else either loves them or hates them, whereas the realitiy is most people don't care either way and ND people want those that don't care about them to hate them, b/c if you hate them it makes them relevant.
Over/Under on Kelly at ND, i'll handicap it at 5 years.
Notre Dame only gets an automatic BCS bowl bid if they finish in the top 8 of the BCS standings. Of course, that's not to say that a BCS bowl couldn't take a 9-3 Notre Dame team as an at-large team (as long as they're also ranked in the top 14 in the BCS standings), but I don't think that would happen in most years. Strangly, the requirement for Notre Dame to get an automatic bid is more strict than the requirement for a non-BCS conference champion to get an automatic bid. They only have to finish in the top 12 (or in the top 16 if they're also higher than one of the BCS champions).
because I think Saban is better than Kelly. I also think that Saban having had the experience of being in the SEC and Big 10 for that matter at high profile jobs prepared him for Alabama. Not to mention winning a NC at one of those schools. I also think that Alabama has an advantage over ND because they are in the SEC and can play a more difficult schedule is something that may help them in recruiting. Then there's the fact that Alabama is in a better recruiting region than ND- Alabama high school football is pretty good as it is, and then they are right next door to Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. And they're not too terribly far from Texas and Louisiana.
And let's face it- even when Alabama was 7-5, there was no question about whether they were "relevant" or not in the SEC. They still have a huge fan base and walk-on fan base that has always supported them. It was basically a question of when they were going to find a coach that could deal with their nutty fan base and deal with the shadow of "the Bear", and Saban is obviously that guy.
And let's face it- even when Alabama was 7-5, there was no question about whether they were "relevant" or not in the SEC. They still have a huge fan base and walk-on fan base that has always supported them. It was basically a question of when they were going to find a coach that could deal with their nutty fan base and deal with the shadow of "the Bear", and Saban is obviously that guy.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">1. It is Notre Dame and as it was pointed out to me a few weeks ago on this message board, "not to many dumb asses get into Notre Dame". Big problem when finding football recruits. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break"> <br style="mso-special-character: line-break"></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">2 .They are a independent school.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> This hurts because there is no automatic BCS bid, no lower championship like a conference championship, only the National available to them. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break"> <br style="mso-special-character: line-break"></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">3. The last time Notre Dame won any championship was in 1988 and they have not really been relevant since. Every High school senior and back was not alive in 1988. Hell they don't remember when Notre dame was relevant.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>
4. They are in Big 10 country.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> See number 2.</p>
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4. They are in Big 10 country.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> See number 2.</p>
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...Notre Dame is an experiment way past its prime.
The only hope for a return to ND football glory is for ND to humble itself & join a conference.
There are at least 4 coaches in the SEC who are better than anybody ND will hire in the next 20 years.
As far as constantly legitimizing itself by drawing on its glorious past, Notre Dame football is a yankee version of Ole Miss football.
Outside of a sweet TV deal with NBC, ND has nothing to offer today's football youth.
The only hope for a return to ND football glory is for ND to humble itself & join a conference.
There are at least 4 coaches in the SEC who are better than anybody ND will hire in the next 20 years.
As far as constantly legitimizing itself by drawing on its glorious past, Notre Dame football is a yankee version of Ole Miss football.
Outside of a sweet TV deal with NBC, ND has nothing to offer today's football youth.
However, I e-bitchslap you for posting about recruiting, because you don't appear to know anything about it. Notre Dame's recruiting rankings the past 4 years: 21, 2, 8, 8. This year: 12. They have good players, and they will continue to get good players. The question for the past 20 years there has been coaching. Weis -- awful. Willingham and Davie -- how have the done since they left ND?
Notre Dame's coaching staff has to get the ok from the university before they either make an official offer or take a commitment (I cannot remember which one it is). They have people in their admissions office that do nothing but review recruit transcripts. They aren't signing guys in February that don't qualify.Big D said:
then maybe.
And now please join me in crazytown: a few years down the road Kelly will get run out of town by the ND boosters, not because of a sub-par record or anything, but because they stop being a silly football independent and fully join...the Big East.
And now please join me in crazytown: a few years down the road Kelly will get run out of town by the ND boosters, not because of a sub-par record or anything, but because they stop being a silly football independent and fully join...the Big East.
came out. Here's a quote regarding that class:
"After all of its signees made it in, the Irish have finally built some depth on both sides of the ball. The majority of its strong true-freshman class is redshirting.
Further, in 2008 their class moved from number 2 on signing day to number 1 after the enrolled rankings came out -- they again got everyone qualified that year. Same thing in 2006. They lost no one to grades, and moved from 8 on NSD to 7 in the enrolled rankings.
I'm really not trying to beat you over the head with this, but it helps to have an informed opinion.
"After all of its signees made it in, the Irish have finally built some depth on both sides of the ball. The majority of its strong true-freshman class is redshirting.
Further, in 2008 their class moved from number 2 on signing day to number 1 after the enrolled rankings came out -- they again got everyone qualified that year. Same thing in 2006. They lost no one to grades, and moved from 8 on NSD to 7 in the enrolled rankings.
I'm really not trying to beat you over the head with this, but it helps to have an informed opinion.
(1) would be a problem if they had to play in the SEC. I think they can play a pretty soft schedule and get into a BCS game.RonnyAtmosphere said:
I understand the point of (2), but that's probably a little harsh towards ND. They won a championship in 1988. Not recently, but still some successful times well after integration. That's not quite the same as some ole miss people talking about championships that they didn't even win that may or may not have taken place after integration.
But their defensive players aren't up to par. Perhaps that will change now, but defense is where they really lack the players and it becomes obvious when they play anyone with speed.