Buy / Sell: w/ Today's NIL landscape

[skip dog]

victories and championships are directly related to how much money you spend on players

(*Arch Manning investment not working out to well though)

I think Lebby is doing a really good job, and has his fair share of questionable decisions, and lack of adjustments, but our money can only get us so far.

zi think there is a version of the NIL that needs to exist, but, this current version is just not it

 

[HRMSU]

victories and championships are directly related to how much money you spend on players

(*Arch Manning investment not working out to well though)

I think Lebby is doing a really good job, and has his fair share of questionable decisions, and lack of adjustments, but our money can only get us so far.

zi think there is a version of the NIL that needs to exist, but, this current version is just not it

You still have to pay the right players. It's pro football now. Evaluating players means more now than it ever has just ask TX.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

You still have to recruit and coach, everybody has money. I guarantee you Oklahoma State has a lot more NIL than MSU does and they are a disaster.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Last night proved that even with all the money being thrown around, the game is still won or lost in the trenches. Their Oline was stout I pass protect and the running game and their Dline was excellent in the passing game. We played right into their defensive game plan. Somebody earlier this week mentioned us running the ball 50-60 times. Turns out, we should have pretty much done that just to shorten the game and hopefully force some quick open passes. We didn't. We still wanted to run 18 to 30 yard pass plays and didn't have the oline to do it. That is on Lebby for not adjusting the entire game plan after the 3 early sacks of Shapen.

So with NIL, we need to set the budget fairly and rationally which means we will miss on some skill players. Example: we have 5 healthy Oline period, and injuries behind them. But we have 6 quality running backs and only used 2 last night. We have 4 tight ends and only use 1 and we split him out more than a normal TE setting. Money wasted on that position. We have 10-12 WRs but only use 4 and can't get the ball too them. Bad investments. Got to be wise. I think someone referred to it as money ball!

 

[HomeBoyDawg]

You still have to pay the right players. It's pro football now. Evaluating players means more now than it ever has just ask TX.

Unfortunately, it’s more like pro baseball now—A&M are like the Yankees and we’re like the Rays.

 

[mcdawg22]

victories and championships are directly related to how much money you spend on players

(*Arch Manning investment not working out to well though)

I think Lebby is doing a really good job, and has his fair share of questionable decisions, and lack of adjustments, but our money can only get us so far.

zi think there is a version of the NIL that needs to exist, but, this current version is just not it

Welcome to 1980. It was this way the entire time. Now it’s just “somewhat” visible. If you look at the largest athletics budgets over the last 40 years in the SEC, you will see a direct correlation to their sucesss across multiple sports. A perfect example is baseball. We are arguably a top 3 team in baseball success over the last 40 years despite having a bottom 3 overall athletics budget. Do you know why? Because our baseball budget is probably top 3 in the conference.

 

[Ranchdawg]

There is a reason for salary caps in professional sports. Until something is done in college $$$ win out every time. A 5 star OT is the most sought after commodity followed by a DE.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

There is a reason for salary caps in professional sports. Until something is done in college $$$ win out every time. A 5 star OT is the most sought after commodity followed by a DE.

But there are only 32 5 Star players each year. There cannot be more than 2-3, maybe 4 Oline in that 32 count. We ain't getting them. The score range for 4 stars is 98 down to 89.5. There are a couple hundred 4 stars. We have to find a couple of very high 3 stars( scores between 88 and 89.5 ) at Tackle every year. We have to target players scoring between 85 and 94 on Oline and Dline and make em SEC guys. Just have to do it unless you are going to just go far it one year and spend $20 mil on a roster and Hope you can win 10, make the playoffs and build from that one overpayment year. They ain't putting the genie back in the bottle. Too many lawyers looking for a soul to steal!

 

[kired]

Unfortunately, it’s more like pro baseball now—A&M are like the Yankees and we’re like the Rays.

Yep, and it’s no coincidence 4 of the highest 5 MLB payrolls are in the final 8 teams playing. You’re always gonna have teams like the Mets too.

But college football is less likely to have low payroll teams win because it’s free agency after every season. You can’t build over a few seasons without paying more to keep your best players

 

[MaroonSadness99]

Welcome to 1980. It was this way the entire time. Now it’s just “somewhat” visible. If you look at the largest athletics budgets over the last 40 years in the SEC, you will see a direct correlation to their sucesss across multiple sports. A perfect example is baseball. We are arguably a top 3 team in baseball success over the last 40 years despite having a bottom 3 overall athletics budget. Do you know why? Because our baseball budget is probably top 3 in the conference.

I hate the welcome to 1980 argument. In the 80s it was not unrestricted free agency every off season like it is now. Last night State had to play against our best receiver from last year.

 

[skip dog]

my moment of pause in this thought was that I read that Arch Manning is 6.8 million in NIL funds, and that is roughly 25% (possibly) of what we spend...........So you have to ask, how is that working out for you TX? to which TX would answer: drop in the bucket partner!"

 

[Shmuley]

my moment of pause in this thought was that I read that Arch Manning is 6.8 million in NIL funds, and that is roughly 25% (possibly) of what we spend...........So you have to ask, how is that working out for you TX? to which TX would answer: drop in the bucket partner!"

IF it is true that Arch M cost the Teasips $6.8 large, then he cost them HALF what the BI likely spent total for 2025.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

Last night proved that even with all the money being thrown around, the game is still won or lost in the trenches. Their Oline was stout I pass protect and the running game and their Dline was excellent in the passing game. We played right into their defensive game plan. Somebody earlier this week mentioned us running the ball 50-60 times. Turns out, we should have pretty much done that just to shorten the game and hopefully force some quick open passes. We didn't. We still wanted to run 18 to 30 yard pass plays and didn't have the oline to do it. That is on Lebby for not adjusting the entire game plan after the 3 early sacks of Shapen.

So with NIL, we need to set the budget fairly and rationally which means we will miss on some skill players. Example: we have 5 healthy Oline period, and injuries behind them. But we have 6 quality running backs and only used 2 last night. We have 4 tight ends and only use 1 and we split him out more than a normal TE setting. Money wasted on that position. We have 10-12 WRs but only use 4 and can't get the ball too them. Bad investments. Got to be wise. I think someone referred to it as money ball!

Great points. Maybe we should quit developing young skill position players and spend big money on just enough players to field a starting unit with an emphasis on linemen, 2 stud RB's and only carry 5 receivers. One good QB and a serviceable backup. I also heard an announcer say at some point players have to be accountable for their mistakes on the field. That missed block is going to cost you $5000 Mr. Professional left tackle.... Whoops, looks like that dropped TD pass is coming out of your ***. That's $10,000. If you can't make the starting lineup, you don't get starter pay. For this to work, we'd have to pay successful starters bonuses for TD's, pancake blocks, big YAC plays and runs over 20 yards. Just my thoughts.

 

[champdawg.sixpack]

victories and championships are directly related to how much money you spend on players

(*Arch Manning investment not working out to well though)

I think Lebby is doing a really good job, and has his fair share of questionable decisions, and lack of adjustments, but our money can only get us so far.

zi think there is a version of the NIL that needs to exist, but, this current version is just not it

victories and championships are directly related to how much money you spend on players

(*Arch Manning investment not working out to well though)

I think Lebby is doing a really good job, and has his fair share of questionable decisions, and lack of adjustments, but our money can only get us so far.

zi think there is a version of the NIL that needs to exist, but, this current version is just not it

I agree. High school and juco is AS important. Find me a kid who is hungry and coachable

 

[Ranchdawg]

Great points. Maybe we should quit developing young skill position players and spend big money on just enough players to field a starting unit with an emphasis on linemen, 2 stud RB's and only carry 5 receivers. One good QB and a serviceable backup. I also heard an announcer say at some point players have to be accountable for their mistakes on the field. That missed block is going to cost you $5000 Mr. Professional left tackle.... Whoops, looks like that dropped TD pass is coming out of your ***. That's $10,000. If you can't make the starting lineup, you don't get starter pay. For this to work, we'd have to pay successful starters bonuses for TD's, pancake blocks, big YAC plays and runs over 20 yards. Just my thoughts.

You mean like Kiffin?

 

[aTotal360]

50% money spent
25% evaluating
25% coaching

If you have good coaching and evals, you can somewhat overcome being under budgeted. Mullen managed to do it for years.

 

[bulldoghair]

I think Navy would beat us in football. They probably don’t spend any NIL money. Maybe a little.

 

[bulldognation]

We are in the Moneyball phase of MSU athletics. Gotta hope we can field a team of collective talent that fits within our budget.

 

[bulldoghair]

We are in the Moneyball phase of MSU athletics. Gotta hope we can field a team of collective talent that fits within our budget.

Why spend way less money than everyone else in the conference and be generic offensively. If we’re playing Moneyball I say be non generic on offense, a true system, then go more heavy with your funds on defense.

 

[L4MANDW]

What does it say when one of the best O Coaches, spends the money on one of the best teams a school ever had and still doesn’t sniff a cap? But then again there’s the question of why he didn’t use his best rb on the team?
Then, what does it say when in the very next season the same coach still spends $ but has a lesser team than the year before, uses a b/u qb, and has one of their best starts ever?
Duly noted that same team years back w/a good coach, broke all the rules, bought the best team that school had ever, and still never sniffed a cfb playoff.

SELL for me. Gonna take more than great coaching, great players, tons of $, to get it all. Healthy players, great scheduling, & a little luck are vital & will take any team much further imho.

 

[dickiedawg]

We’ve always been at a $$ disadvantage relative to our SEC peers.
If we have success, we’ll have to do it the same way we’ve had any success in the past. Good identification and development. Smart use of resources.
It’s harder now, since we’re at risk of losing any player that has a breakout year, but that’s part of it. You have to make smart decisions about which players are worth the money and which ones you have to let walk.
That risk is offset somewhat because we can pluck players from G5 schools. No, we’re not poaching All-Americans. But we can absolutely identify enough Will Whitsons, Fluff Bothwells and Brennen Thompsons to be competitive.
It’s hard as hell. But it’s not Mississippi State if it’s easy.