You are more worried about Cohen being successful at State than you were before the season started.
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You are more worried about Cohen being successful at State than you were before the season started.
You are more worried about Cohen being successful at State than you were before the season started.
You are more worried about Cohen being successful at State than you were before the season started.
Mr. Ellis told my dad on multiple occasions that Cohen has told him privately "give me two years"
I think he will do fine, but I'm not sure it's getting turned around in two years. At least not like we want, or he wants.
edited: Mr. Ellis is Jim Ellis....I'm just use to calling him Mr. Ellis after all these years. I assume everyone knows who I was referring to, but just in case.
I think he will do fine, but I'm not sure it's getting turned around in two years. At least not like we want, or he wants.
edited: Mr. Ellis is Jim Ellis....I'm just use to calling him Mr. Ellis after all these years. I assume everyone knows who I was referring to, but just in case.
I don't like the "aw, F it" attitude that I saw out of him and pretty much everybody on the team after the first MTSU loss.
I think John still has some maturing to do.
But the level of his drive to be successful is something you can't find very often.
I think John still has some maturing to do.
But the level of his drive to be successful is something you can't find very often.
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I think the roster was full of marginal Div II or D III players. Add in injuries and we didn't have the players to do much. Along with a undertalented team is the fact we played one of the harder schedules in the country. That doesn't add up to success.
I think he's doing everything he can to run off as many as he can right now.
Ask again this time next year.
Ask again this time next year.
I thought we would be slightly improved this year, even with the lack of talent. I didn't expect a winning season, but it appears we have regressed, and a lot of the guys are just flat-out quitting. That reflects on Polk, also, of course, and the caliber of individual he apparently recruited. We have a roster full of pansies that can't take the increased effort required. Which means that I am holding until we see who bolts from the team and who Cohen brings in to replace them.
I'm not saying that he's not the right person for the job. Before this season started I was convinced that he'd succeed without a doubt. Now I have a slight doubt. It still seems like we're a bullpen away from a 2 seed, and he's done a nice job of recruiting so far. But if players do end up hating him like someone said they do at Kentucky, that could be a problem. Just didn't think that it would be going into this year.
And, yeah, I know our players right now are pussies etc. etc.
And, yeah, I know our players right now are pussies etc. etc.
...nobody wants to admit what a behemoth pile of crap Polk left Cohen. It's right up there with what Jackie left Croom.
Cohen was never going to get anywhere with these Millsaps rejects.
After I started reading about Cohen getting pissed & running off at the mouth about the pathetic level of player he is having to deal with, it only re-inforced my belief that Cohen is the right man for the job.
If you think John Cohen is going to put up with another losing season, then you have another thing coming.
Cohen was never going to get anywhere with these Millsaps rejects.
After I started reading about Cohen getting pissed & running off at the mouth about the pathetic level of player he is having to deal with, it only re-inforced my belief that Cohen is the right man for the job.
If you think John Cohen is going to put up with another losing season, then you have another thing coming.
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One thing I don't really understand about Cohen's coaching strategy this year is that he seems to continue to push even though he's pushed them too far.
In future years when he has quality talent that he's brought in, I can see being intense at all times and staying on them.
Obviously with this group the Drill Sergeant routine doesn't work, yet he didn't seem to change tactics to get what little ability they have out of them.
In future years when he has quality talent that he's brought in, I can see being intense at all times and staying on them.
Obviously with this group the Drill Sergeant routine doesn't work, yet he didn't seem to change tactics to get what little ability they have out of them.
UK had around a top 5 recruiting class coming in this year, if the players visit and talk with the current players, they would find out what kind of coach he is. I think the people that don't like him are the ones that don't want to give total effort all the time. If all his players hated him, his recruiting wouldn't be very good.
Where DID this talk come from about Kentucky players hating Cohen? Kentucky seemed to like him enough to offer him a pretty good bump in pay. I can't find any documentation of this anywhere; unless you count DestinBob's accusation of it a few weeks back.
Was the problem really "what Jackie left" or was the problem that Croom ran off and didn't know how to use what Jackie left.RonnyAtmosphere said:
And I ask this not to be argumentative, but because our fans used the same excuse for Orgeron in 2005. Looking back at the OM roster in 2005, there were lots of good players. In hindsight, it was Orgeron's coaching that was the problem. Orgeron should have been able to break even with the roster he had, if he had not been an imbecile.
It's just so common place to blame all the problems on the last guy. Arkansas fans did it with Nutt. UT will do it with Kiffin this year. AU fans are doing it with Tubs.
What do you guys think...roster ]http://mississippi.scout.com/a.z?s=177&p=8&c=2&nid=750&csid=null&yr=2004[/url]
That's not totally true. Different sport, but Orgeron's players hated him.TBonewannabe said:
During recruiting, all coaches put on their best face and tell you what you want to hear. Once you sign, all bets are off and the relationship is different.
Several of our players have admitted that Orgeron was a cool guy during recruiting, but was vastly different as a coach.
Regarding the part about current players telling recruits...most players don't want to take a chance crossing the coach. They have too much to lose. They also realize that some of these recruits will be vital to their own success at their respective school. Therefore they don't want to hinder their school's recruiting efforts.
And I'm not concerned about getting worse as the season has progressed. The majority of these guys are terrible and it shows more about their character and how they were raised when their parents start crying in public about how their babies are being treated. Cohen hasn't lost the team..he never had the team. It's not HIS team. I think the majority of this team is just excited to have a Mississippi State baseball jersey on their chest. I can't wait for all but about 5 of these momma's boys to leave. Let's keep an eye on this draft as well.
"Was the problem really "what Jackie left" or was the problem that Croom ran off and didn't know how to use what Jackie left."
Completely agree with this. We've had huge threads on this but what Croom left Mullen is in NO WAY comparable to what Jackie left Croom...because Croom ran off the talent instead of being the "great mentor" to them that the world claims him to be.
Completely agree with this. We've had huge threads on this but what Croom left Mullen is in NO WAY comparable to what Jackie left Croom...because Croom ran off the talent instead of being the "great mentor" to them that the world claims him to be.
It's a lot like recruiters for the military. They'll butter everything up and tell you the things you want to hear, but once you sign that paper and receive your first orders, Uncle Sam practically has his way with you from there on out.
.. so when I say what Polk left Cohen is akin to what Jackie left Croom, I'm exaggerating.
Because Jackie actually left Croom a bigger mess than what Polk left Cohen.
Because Jackie actually left Croom a bigger mess than what Polk left Cohen.
...how many times will you Ole Miss people keep posting over & over that you think Cohen is too unhinged to be an effective coach? And that his temper is "a constant source of concern?" And that his "unpredictable temperment alienates parents." And that "Cohen began the season looking fine, but has appeared brutal since."
You alone have posted these same talking points about Cohen about 20 times. Your buddy jackoff has also echoed them 100 times.
Please go to the Oxford front office & get them to hand you people a new set of talking points on Cohen.
You alone have posted these same talking points about Cohen about 20 times. Your buddy jackoff has also echoed them 100 times.
Please go to the Oxford front office & get them to hand you people a new set of talking points on Cohen.
I think Ol' Blue said something about it too. All I'm saying is that I hadn't heard anything like that before he came, and now I have even though I don't know if it's true or not.
Two things...
First. There may be guys on the team who still can produce if pushed and he is trying to see who will respond over the length of the season.
Second. He is setting the example for what he expects of players at Mississippi State. Basically, "This is the way it is here and if you can't take it, don't come."
(and mullen probably would, too) have the players that jackie left for mullen's first year than the players crooms left for this year.</p>
that may have been your best post ever. The thing about it is Ole Miss doesn't want us to be good in baseball or anything else. That's a fact. They see a coach who has a lot of drive, is recruiting well, and has a history of success, and they would much rather us have someone who is a "nice guy" like Raffo. The only person I've ever seen say that his players hate him are some random Ole Miss troll on here. Now is the opportunity for them to plant some seeds of doubt. You know why? Because people like Cohen are generally successful.
Another thing people aren't talking about is the fact that last year Polk started sabotaging this season when he was telling his players "You don't want Cohen, he will yell at you. You don't want that". In his failed attempt to get Raffo hired. Watching this team play in person they are an abomination to the game of baseball. They have no heart. They only play hard because they have someone pushing them to do so, and they don't quit because Cohen will run their *** till they die, but other than that, they have no motivation. It's pretty sickening to watch if you ask me. Maybe that's why I don't feel bad about 80% of them being cut.
Another thing people aren't talking about is the fact that last year Polk started sabotaging this season when he was telling his players "You don't want Cohen, he will yell at you. You don't want that". In his failed attempt to get Raffo hired. Watching this team play in person they are an abomination to the game of baseball. They have no heart. They only play hard because they have someone pushing them to do so, and they don't quit because Cohen will run their *** till they die, but other than that, they have no motivation. It's pretty sickening to watch if you ask me. Maybe that's why I don't feel bad about 80% of them being cut.
Horrid pitching, some bad luck and trying to teach a new brand of ball to a group that had been living the good life.
I think you will see more improvement next season and big improvement in two.
Anyone who thinks buy is just letting years of MSU sports crap (sans basketball) color their judgement, which is understandable.
I think you will see more improvement next season and big improvement in two.
Anyone who thinks buy is just letting years of MSU sports crap (sans basketball) color their judgement, which is understandable.
"Some posters" means you Rebel know-it-alls who come over here & act as Cohen's very concerned <span class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 13px Arial; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"> psychiatrist.
Since the sells are winning this thread in a landslide, I think it's safe to say you, jackass & the
other guy are about the only people using 3 sweeps as a litmus test.
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