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be a sell either. IMO just too early to make any rational judgement. i do think mullen has shown enough that its not an automatic sell.
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BUY, BUY, BUY!!!!! The level of talent Mullen will bring in is going to be amazing I think. Not to mention the growing eagerness from the fanbase. We are hungry for success, starving actually!!!! The support of our fanbase,GB, and the possibility of stadium expansion coupled with Mullen and his youth is just what the program needs to be successful on a consitent basis.
At this point almost impossible to buy, statisically we have a coach with only 3 wins and to say he's is going to be better than the best coach we've had in modern football is a reach. Who's to say he even stays long enough to surpass Jackie's accomplishments, I could see Mullen being offered another job in the West before we can make it back to ATL if we start to really compete for that trip.
Mullen's a good coach, but the Kang coached during the '90s when traditional West powers like LSU and Bama were down (some exceptions for particular years, but generally that's true). MSU will not win the West during Mullen's tenure. And neither will Ole Miss or Arkansas for that matter.
because he won't get the chance- someone else will hire him away before he will get the opportunity to surpass Jackie's accomplishments.
Now, if he stays, I say buy. Mullen is by far the most organized football coach I have ever seen at MSU- including Jackie.
And remember, Jackie kind of underachieved in my opinion because you could always count on losing to a LSU team- sometimes a bad LSU team, and you could also count on a random game that we would lose that we should not. Not to mention Jackie's list of debacles- Arkansas State tie, Northeast Louisiana, La Tech 96, Troy State Tornado special, and Tulane 2003. I also think our offense was somewhat misutilized during his tenure- it wasn't as bad as McCorvey, but let's face it- it was three yards and a cloud of dust. Can you imagine the 1999 offense with a spread offense? Also what would Mullen have done with Jackie's first team in 1991, which was very talented?
Jackie is held in high regard by most MSU fans because he did win, and deserves every bit of praise for that. His greatest contribution was the attitude that he brought, which was "you don't have to be an also ran, you can win here", and that is a big reason why we are having a lot of success at the gate. At the same time, he essentially went .500 at MSU, and he looks better because the guys he is compared to- Shira, Bellard, Felker, Paul Davis- all royally sucked. Bob Tyler was a good coach who had his career tarnished by probation- he was actually probably better than Jackie as a coach- and then very few of our fans were even born in 1941 much less remember Allyn McKeen.
Now, if he stays, I say buy. Mullen is by far the most organized football coach I have ever seen at MSU- including Jackie.
And remember, Jackie kind of underachieved in my opinion because you could always count on losing to a LSU team- sometimes a bad LSU team, and you could also count on a random game that we would lose that we should not. Not to mention Jackie's list of debacles- Arkansas State tie, Northeast Louisiana, La Tech 96, Troy State Tornado special, and Tulane 2003. I also think our offense was somewhat misutilized during his tenure- it wasn't as bad as McCorvey, but let's face it- it was three yards and a cloud of dust. Can you imagine the 1999 offense with a spread offense? Also what would Mullen have done with Jackie's first team in 1991, which was very talented?
Jackie is held in high regard by most MSU fans because he did win, and deserves every bit of praise for that. His greatest contribution was the attitude that he brought, which was "you don't have to be an also ran, you can win here", and that is a big reason why we are having a lot of success at the gate. At the same time, he essentially went .500 at MSU, and he looks better because the guys he is compared to- Shira, Bellard, Felker, Paul Davis- all royally sucked. Bob Tyler was a good coach who had his career tarnished by probation- he was actually probably better than Jackie as a coach- and then very few of our fans were even born in 1941 much less remember Allyn McKeen.
anymore?
In 2004, Auburn was undefeated and Alabama was very average. That's just five years ago, and now Alabama is the better team and Auburn is average. Heck, Ole Miss went 3-8 and then turned that around in just one year. In 2004 Florida was a 7-4 team that lost to Croom. Now they're going for another NC with some help from the SEC.
I'm not saying that MSU is going to win the west, but that teams have ups and downs, and there is no way of knowing what the SEC is going to be like next year even. LSU could be a three win team and someone like Arkansas might win 10 in a few years. Who knows?
In 2004, Auburn was undefeated and Alabama was very average. That's just five years ago, and now Alabama is the better team and Auburn is average. Heck, Ole Miss went 3-8 and then turned that around in just one year. In 2004 Florida was a 7-4 team that lost to Croom. Now they're going for another NC with some help from the SEC.
I'm not saying that MSU is going to win the west, but that teams have ups and downs, and there is no way of knowing what the SEC is going to be like next year even. LSU could be a three win team and someone like Arkansas might win 10 in a few years. Who knows?
apart from Bama and LSU. I threw Auburn in there because they're a wild card and they're recruiting well. Chizik's not an idiot. Seems more of a Les Miles -- give him the players and I think he'll do ok (who knows, but that's a more fertile recruiting ground than OM, MSU or Arkansas). It's obviously all speculation, but if I had to be on it, I'd bet against MSU winning the West in, say, the next 10 years because they won't be able to recruit the quality depth needed to compete year in and year out with the big boys. It's all fodder for discussion, but let me put this way -- would you bet money that MSU will win the West in the next 10 years? The next 5? The next 3? Or OM for that matter?
could you see Mullen going, when you think about it there aren't really that many places for him to want to go other than an elite job. Why make a move to a similiar program in another BCS conference where he'd have to prove himself again, I think if he moves its up and up in a big way. Think about some big schools with coaches w/ pretty long tenures that could be running out of steam (Georgia, LSU, etc. both could look to replace their coaches in the next 5 years or less, and I wouldn't be suprised if either looked at Mullen if he can really start competing for that ATL trip). Then again he could totally blow it, but guess we'll see. </p>
could you see Mullen going, when you think about it there aren't really that many places for him to want to go other than an elite job. Why make a move to a similiar program in another BCS conference where he'd have to prove himself again, I think if he moves its up and up in a big way. Think about some big schools with coaches w/ pretty long tenures that could be running out of steam (Georgia, LSU, etc. both could look to replace their coaches in the next 5 years or less, and I wouldn't be suprised if either looked at Mullen if he can really start competing for that ATL trip). Then again he could totally blow it, but guess we'll see. </p>
is that he ain`t Sylvester Croom. There is definitely a brighter future IF he can bring in the talent but there are many of us that would have been fairly happy right now with anybody who wasn`t Croom.
....more importantly the way next season goes will say a lot more about Mullen's future success or failure at MSU.
The way this team has played this year effort-wise is tremendous, and IF we can keep that up on a regular basis then the wins will come as the holes are plugged with needed players. But this is just his first season, and you can't guarantee that Mullen won't lose the team at some point down the line if the wins don't start coming.
One reason Jackie had so much success was because his teams enjoyed success right out of the gate in his first two years. He bought time and confidence from his young players and the fan base because of that. Mullen won't have that luxury since this first season is obviously going to be a losing one. If he's able to sign Newton and a couple more key players in the next signing class, then get the team bowl eligible next season, I'd probably call it a definite BUY at that point. Next year's schedule should be a more winnable one, albeit still tough as they always are in the SEC.
The way this team has played this year effort-wise is tremendous, and IF we can keep that up on a regular basis then the wins will come as the holes are plugged with needed players. But this is just his first season, and you can't guarantee that Mullen won't lose the team at some point down the line if the wins don't start coming.
One reason Jackie had so much success was because his teams enjoyed success right out of the gate in his first two years. He bought time and confidence from his young players and the fan base because of that. Mullen won't have that luxury since this first season is obviously going to be a losing one. If he's able to sign Newton and a couple more key players in the next signing class, then get the team bowl eligible next season, I'd probably call it a definite BUY at that point. Next year's schedule should be a more winnable one, albeit still tough as they always are in the SEC.
