BYU -1 @ The Bears.....
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We kid around about them losing to BYU, but not many people would expect that. Certainly no bear fans would expect anything other than an opening day warm up game.
Look for many a Black Bear to jump on this line to move it in their favor. Hell, I would jump on this if I didn't want to pull against them!
Look for many a Black Bear to jump on this line to move it in their favor. Hell, I would jump on this if I didn't want to pull against them!
BYU will probably be ranked in the top 25 by year end. If it weren't for Manny Diaz, I'd bet on them winning straight up the next week at Texas.
I don't think our D will be good or anything, but worse than one of our worst defenses in history? No way.
you lost what- 6 of 11 starters? Then lost another for the season with a knee injury?
you wont be as good at DT as you were last season
DE will be about the same
LB's will be worse
Secondary will be even at best to last season
You are going to be ****** again on defense
you wont be as good at DT as you were last season
DE will be about the same
LB's will be worse
Secondary will be even at best to last season
You are going to be ****** again on defense
BYU's QB can sling it all over the field and from what is coming back for you bears on defense, this opener could get ugly in a hurry, especially when breaking in whatever QB Nutt decides to stick out there first. BYU is a stout team and finished 2010 fairly strong, after they settled in on a single QB. Dude is legit. Lost the opener and a downward spiral out of control is all but inevitable.
Judging from what Nutt said yesterday in an interview, they will be using a lot of true freshman. I'm no rocket scientist, but in simple terms that means, we are in deep **** and I hope these young guys can mature quickly.
Judging from what Nutt said yesterday in an interview, they will be using a lot of true freshman. I'm no rocket scientist, but in simple terms that means, we are in deep **** and I hope these young guys can mature quickly.
BYU is on the top 25 bubble. They return 18 starters from a team that ended the season as one of the hottest teams in the country and have one of the better QB's in the nation. There isn't one OM fan that thinks this is going to be a warmup. The prediction threads for that game havent been more than 50%. And coach, how the hell are our ends suppose to be the same when we return all of them and add Lockett? It just proves you don't know **** about our defense, which is fine, it's not your team. But why do you comment on **** you obviously have no clue about?
"It can't be worse than that **** we put on the field last year!" <div>TnRebel said:
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re"> </span>>MSU fans, summer 2004</div>what did I say that was incorrect?whereisomaha said:
C34 say- "you wont be as good at DT"- Did you or did you not lose your top 4 DT's from last year?
C34 say- "you will beabout the same at DE"- What games have you played to prove me wrong yet?
C34 say- "you wont be as good at LB- and you lost your bestreturning LB to injury"- Did you not lose your best LB to a knee injury?HEY STUPID- YOU WILLNOT BE AS GOOD AT LB THIS YEAR
C34 say- "you're secondary will bethe same at best"-you lost starters in the Secondary did you not? You have a bunch of unknowns at this position correct?
What bothers you is that I know exactly what the hell I am talking about- and it scares the ever-loving hell out of you that we are going to *****-slap you guys aGAIN this November. Dont come onto our site telling me I dont have a clue when everything I said at this point is correct or yet to be judged.
Dumb-17- get your *** back to Tigerdroppings where you and the other idiots can tell me about how you guys were good in the 1950's and you lead the all-time series
We do lose a lot of players from last year. Those players happened to play on the worst defense in Ole Miss history. I said the worst defense in Ole Miss history. If actual on the field performance matters, that would mean they sucked. Replacing a lot of that group should be a good thing. What we are hoping for is addition by subtraction. When you subtract (get rid of certain players) by a negative number (players that performed poorly) you actually end up adding a number (you improve). At least that is what we are thinking will be the case.
DT: I'll give you that. Losing Powe will hurt. He didn't have the stats last year that he had the year before, but that's because he was constantly drawing double teams. I've heard good things about Carlton Martin, but that doesn't mean much right now.<div>
</div><div>DE: We get Kentrell Locket back. Having his talent alone will help us, then when you throw in his leadership, that's a plus for the entire defense.</div><div>
</div><div>LBs: Losing DT and his leadership hurts, a lot. However, I do like Kight, but Unless CJ, Ralph Williams, or Mike Marry can step up and be a leader (on and off the field), then yea we're going to be worse. I think we miss Cornell, but not Allen Walker so much.
Secondary: We'll be even at worst. We get Damien Jackson, Brishon Mathews, Marcus Temple and Charles Sawyers back. I've heard good things about Nkedimche (sp?), but he just got flagged for his grades or something, so I don't think he'll be at practice tomorrow. Wesley Pendleton took advantage of Marcus's knee injury during the spring, and may push him for the starting job.
We'll probably be bad on defense, but not as bad as we were last year. Teams will probably be able to run on us better than pass on us, due to our weak DT's and LB's. Our secondary is the one spot on defense that actually has experience... even if it was terrible last year.</div>
</div><div>DE: We get Kentrell Locket back. Having his talent alone will help us, then when you throw in his leadership, that's a plus for the entire defense.</div><div>
</div><div>LBs: Losing DT and his leadership hurts, a lot. However, I do like Kight, but Unless CJ, Ralph Williams, or Mike Marry can step up and be a leader (on and off the field), then yea we're going to be worse. I think we miss Cornell, but not Allen Walker so much.
Secondary: We'll be even at worst. We get Damien Jackson, Brishon Mathews, Marcus Temple and Charles Sawyers back. I've heard good things about Nkedimche (sp?), but he just got flagged for his grades or something, so I don't think he'll be at practice tomorrow. Wesley Pendleton took advantage of Marcus's knee injury during the spring, and may push him for the starting job.
We'll probably be bad on defense, but not as bad as we were last year. Teams will probably be able to run on us better than pass on us, due to our weak DT's and LB's. Our secondary is the one spot on defense that actually has experience... even if it was terrible last year.</div>
We need to play the game (offensively) like we did against Texas Tech in the first (of two back to back for the first time in 50 years!!!!!!) Cotton Bowl. At one point the TOP was something unreal like 10 to 3
but there is also reality. The reality of the situation is you guys could very easily not be any better defensively and could be worse. You are simply hoping to be better because a different player will be on the field- good luck.
It's like breaking down our team:
We will be better at QB because Relf has a season under his belt
We will be better at RB now that Perkins has a year under his belt
We will be better on the OL everywhere but LT- and that is a concern- but we have 4 guys that have started and 3 will be starting for their 3rd season
We will be better at TE now that Green is back if he is healthy- losing him last season hurt
We will be better at DT- but not as good at DE
We will be worse at LB in 2 of the 3 positions- the other could actually be better- but Maye could make one of the two only slightly worse
We will be better in the Secondary with everyone back plus what we are adding
I'm not hoping for anything when breaking down our team- its based on experience and actual performance
It's like breaking down our team:
We will be better at QB because Relf has a season under his belt
We will be better at RB now that Perkins has a year under his belt
We will be better on the OL everywhere but LT- and that is a concern- but we have 4 guys that have started and 3 will be starting for their 3rd season
We will be better at TE now that Green is back if he is healthy- losing him last season hurt
We will be better at DT- but not as good at DE
We will be worse at LB in 2 of the 3 positions- the other could actually be better- but Maye could make one of the two only slightly worse
We will be better in the Secondary with everyone back plus what we are adding
I'm not hoping for anything when breaking down our team- its based on experience and actual performance
My comments were about our defense. I will bet you any amount you choose that we will not give up as many points as we did last year. I'll leave it up to you to pick the amount. I will match it.
Our defense "could" be worse. Our defense "could" be better. But you aren't saying "could". You're saying our defense "will" be worse. And you can argue different position downgrades/improvement. But your argument for our DE's to not improve when they all return and they get Lockett is, "they haven't played this year"? That's your argument? You want me to believe you know anything about our defense when you say something that stupid? Why the hell would anything you say scare me? I just assume the opposite. And you go back to TD. You post on there as much as here and are thought of the same way on both boards. Fat ***
". And you go back to TD. You post on there as much as here and are thought of the same way on both boards."
Yes I am, and I'm ok with being hated for being right most of the time, and then stuffing that fact right back in people's faces....
Your DT's are ****- and this will most certainly take its toll on your DE's...You just remember what I said about your defense and check back with me in 6-8 weeks- fat ***
Yes I am, and I'm ok with being hated for being right most of the time, and then stuffing that fact right back in people's faces....
Your DT's are ****- and this will most certainly take its toll on your DE's...You just remember what I said about your defense and check back with me in 6-8 weeks- fat ***
Name the amount. I'm waiting. Be a man. Tell me how much or that you were just blowing smoke. One of the two. Either way I'm okay.
you can still be as bad or worse on D without giving up as many points.
You guys are going to be a little more conservative this season amd work the clock more because of your running game and the inexperience of your QB's- thus shortening games. There are many ways to measure defensive productivity, points allowed is just one way.
You guys are going to be a little more conservative this season amd work the clock more because of your running game and the inexperience of your QB's- thus shortening games. There are many ways to measure defensive productivity, points allowed is just one way.
have no experience, then why aren't your DT's going to suck because your DE's have no experience? You don't even know who our DT's are. As far as a bet I think coach would go for a 100+ ranked defense if you think ours will be better than that. He's said in every OM prediction thread that our D will be worse and even though he's shying away from the actual worse by numbers bet, I'm sure he'd take the bet that our D will be in the top 100.
whereisomaha said:
our DE's do have experience- we return 3 of 4 on the 2-deep...so to summarize, we have 3 of 4 DE's returning- you have 0 of 4 DT's returning
I'm not sure what a bet will accomplish- Everybody pretty much knows that I think your defense is going to be ******. There really isnt any gray area there. If it's better than expected, feel free to call me out on it.
Every time our team is brought up you say how our D will be worse. Now you're just saying it will be ******. You just see where some magazine or website has what we return and lost starter wise and make your assumption from that. You don't take into consideration we replace our worst D coach with someone whose been a DC at major programs. You don't take into consideration that we lost just 4 starters on D who started the entire year. You don't take into consideration that lack of talent wasn't why our D was bad last year. We aren't just saying our D will be better because it cant get worse, or we are just hoping it will be. We actually know who our starters are. We know who plays on our defense. All you know is we sucked last year and don't return a majority of guys who started the very first game
If he thinks that you were ****** last year, and will be worse this year, doesn't that stand to reason that he still thinks that you will be ******? What do you think he should have said? That you would be really ******?
And I'm curious, if it wasn't lack of talent that was the culprit behind your ****** or whatever word you want to describe it defense last year, what was it?
And I'm curious, if it wasn't lack of talent that was the culprit behind your ****** or whatever word you want to describe it defense last year, what was it?
or would you just like to keep it completely subjective so you can weasel your way out of being wrong? That sort of seems like your M.O. on here.
Todd4State said:
Hes said everytime that our D will be worse. Then he's bet that it wont be and now he's just saying it will he bad. The culprit behind our ****** defense last year was that they weren't in shape due to Benny Abraham's death at the start of camp. They had zero team chemistry and once they were down they gave up. There was no leadership. The entire offseason has been designed to address those problems. They simply did not care last year.
I know who your coaches arewhereisomaha said:
I know who your players are
I know you were ****** last season because of injuries and a lack of talent
I know you will be ****** aGAIN because of injuries, lack of experienceand a lack of talent
I've actually been pretty close predicting you guys the last 5 years- I predicted the 0-8 in the SEC dead on- and also predicted your resurgence in Nutts first two seasons. Imissed by more than usual last year when I said you guys would be 6-6- I didnt see Jax St or Vandy winning last year.
Andas usual, I'll be very close again this year- you're not going 6-6, you're still going to be ****** on defense, and your QB's will have trouble completing passes.
we'll make sure and revisit this in a few weeks
And the point that I was making. For BYU to come to the hot humid SEC in early Sept. is going to be a challenge that is hard to prepare for. When I first saw the line, I actually thought it must be a mistake. Imagine what the line would be if they were AT any other SEC team. Ok, maybe Vandy but I say that only because it is Vandy.