Cal taking heat for kneeling stance and his "follow-on comments"

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I wasn’t going to comment on it, because it is such a hot button topic, but —- Cal blew it.
Wether or not you agree with kneeling is immaterial. Where he botched it was when he said he did it in support of his players, but the back-peddled and openly questioned the timing of the decision when pressed.
You can’t take a position of support only to retreat when things get dicey. I thought that was very weak.
 
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I wasn’t going to comment on it, because it is such a hot button topic, but —- Cal blew it.
wether or not you agree with kneeling is immaterial. Where he botched it was when saying he did it in support of his players, and only to back-peddle and openly question the timing of the decision when questioned.
You can’t take. Position of support only to retest when things get dicey. I thought that was very weak.
Kind of like suddenly playing Allen. That’s what heat does.
 
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this protest nothing compared to vietnam era. Boomers knew how to do it, burn flags, draft cards, ROTC buildings, storm admin buildings. None of this weak kneeling stuff.
back then there were legitimate reasons to protest. these kids can't even tell you why they are protesting. I guess they just don't wanna just come out with the truth....." well LaBron is doing it".
 

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I love a good cal bashing like the rest of our sometimes miserable fan base, but this article is just in poor taste in my opinion.

First the writer should have known that kentucky put out a video/statement this summer about everything going on then so “when is the right time” makes no sense as they have already made their stance very clear.

Also, Calipari should be applauded for his comments about action. Kneeling isn’t really an action. We all know there are problems with this world/country so taking a knee to say hey there is problems is ok if that’s what you want to do, but what does it solve?

Around the holidays, in the face of natural disasters, at children’s hospitals, etc. you always see Kentucky basketball players showing up and making a real impact in people’s lives. Coach cal emphasized that awareness is good, but what is better is using your position to not only bring awareness, but also make a difference in this world.

Whether you agree with the politics or not, one thing you cannot say about Cal is he doesn’t care. How many times do you see former players donate millions and help out those in need? How many times does Cal participate in fundraising and things that help those in need?

Bash the one and done all you want, bash the terrible start this season, bash running off players that turn out to be stars, bash the “greatest night in UK history all you want. If you are a UK fan you know better than to believe anything from this article. This is a short cited hit-piece trying to take aim at a big time coach and get a bunch of views and likes because it is the cool thing politically right now. The article is a bunch of garbage.
 
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this protest nothing compared to vietnam era. Boomers knew how to do it, burn flags, draft cards, ROTC buildings, storm admin buildings. None of this weak kneeling stuff.

I supported what the players did and regret Cal back peddled from his initial support of the players. You are right about the Boomers though. I was at UK when all that was going on in the late 60’s and took part in most of it as a member of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). We marched thought the UK administration building, turned the old cannon in front of that building that always pointed towards South Limestone Street and pointed it directly at the administration building. We did a lot of other **** too, but we didn’t hurt anybody or destroy any property.

The late sixties were wild at UK. Unfortunately, I embraced being a hippie and protesting the war in Vietnam more than I embraced studying or going to class. As a result, I flunked out of UK and 9 months later I got drafted into fighting the very war I had been protesting. I was young, dumb and trying to figure stiff out Just like college students are today. Back then, there were protests everywhere for just about every social issue. Racism, women‘s rights, gay rights and the Vietnam War were constantly being championed. The strange thing was that after I got of the Army in 72 and returned to UK, most of the protests had stopped. It was an entirely different atmosphere. The hippies had morphed into yuppies.

Too be sure , as you pointEd out, the Boomers knew how to do big time protests.
 
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I love a good cal bashing like the rest of our sometimes miserable fan base, but this article is just in poor taste in my opinion.

First the writer should have known that kentucky put out a video/statement this summer about everything going on then so “when is the right time” makes no sense as they have already made their stance very clear.

Also, Calipari should be applauded for his comments about action. Kneeling isn’t really an action. We all know there are problems with this world/country so taking a knee to say hey there is problems is ok if that’s what you want to do, but what does it solve?

Around the holidays, in the face of natural disasters, at children’s hospitals, etc. you always see Kentucky basketball players showing up and making a real impact in people’s lives. Coach cal emphasized that awareness is good, but what is better is using your position to not only bring awareness, but also make a difference in this world.

Whether you agree with the politics or not, one thing you cannot say about Cal is he doesn’t care. How many times do you see former players donate millions and help out those in need? How many times does Cal participate in fundraising and things that help those in need?

Bash the one and done all you want, bash the terrible start this season, bash running off players that turn out to be stars, bash the “greatest night in UK history all you want. If you are a UK fan you know better than to believe anything from this article. This is a short cited hit-piece trying to take aim at a big time coach and get a bunch of views and likes because it is the cool thing politically right now. The article is a bunch of garbage.
I understand what your saying. comparing natural disasters, children’s hospitals, etc to whatever the latest hip reason to protest. are completely different situations. the article is garbage. unfortunately, the writer is looking for a paycheck. ultimately Cal is to blame for this seasons results and turning Kentucky basketball into a political **** show. not sure much sympathy is coming his way right now. if he can't change his display on politics, or change his coaching style. this will be a topic on another school's message board.
 

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That article was a steamy load of virtue-signaling. The double standards of the SJW crowd are getting real old. I can respect you if you disagree with me about what’s right and wrong. But when you think what’s excusable for you is not excusable for me, well, as long as you’re on your knees anyway..........( ;) ;) )
 

Skyguyb27

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I love a good cal bashing like the rest of our sometimes miserable fan base, but this article is just in poor taste in my opinion.

First the writer should have known that kentucky put out a video/statement this summer about everything going on then so “when is the right time” makes no sense as they have already made their stance very clear.

Also, Calipari should be applauded for his comments about action. Kneeling isn’t really an action. We all know there are problems with this world/country so taking a knee to say hey there is problems is ok if that’s what you want to do, but what does it solve?

Around the holidays, in the face of natural disasters, at children’s hospitals, etc. you always see Kentucky basketball players showing up and making a real impact in people’s lives. Coach cal emphasized that awareness is good, but what is better is using your position to not only bring awareness, but also make a difference in this world.

Whether you agree with the politics or not, one thing you cannot say about Cal is he doesn’t care. How many times do you see former players donate millions and help out those in need? How many times does Cal participate in fundraising and things that help those in need?

Bash the one and done all you want, bash the terrible start this season, bash running off players that turn out to be stars, bash the “greatest night in UK history all you want. If you are a UK fan you know better than to believe anything from this article. This is a short cited hit-piece trying to take aim at a big time coach and get a bunch of views and likes because it is the cool thing politically right now. The article is a bunch of garbage.

I agree with most of what you said. The piece was made to generate clicks. Where you lost me was downplaying what he did for some of the fanbase because it’s what’s cool politically. Some will get it, some won’t. You put your hand over your heart to honor those who have served and those who have served that can no longer stand for the pledge of allegiance. The country is divided on this, whether they agree with the intentions of what is being done. Simply put there’s a time and place. Disrupting paying tribute to fallen soldiers or soldiers that came back and will never be the same isn’t the right place no matter how cool it is. Whether you agree with that personally or not is your choice but to some it’s everything. Doesn’t make them racist just means they have enough respect for those who never came home to pay respect for a few moments.
Some of the fan base has relatives that never came back or didn’t came back the same. So you’ll have to excuse them for not wanting to go to a UK game and seeing and organized demonstration that takes away the respect of their relative.
 

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Sometimes when I read articles from yahoo they are so ridiculous I have to see who wrote it. That guys’ face and name happens to show up quite a bit. He’s nothing but an idiotic far leftist that is outraged by anything and everything.
 

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Cal simply blew it. He should have showed real leadership and explained to them what the Anthem is played for, what it means, and how disrespectful it would be to kneel. And yes it is disrespectful no matter your reason, or intent, it is your actions that you are held accountable for. If I'm driving down the road and not paying close attention then see blue lights behind me, and look down and see that I'm driving 65 in a 55 it doesn't matter how many times I tell the officer i didn't mean to, or it wasn't my intent to speed, I was still speeding. The act of kneeling during the Anthem when you are politely requested to please rise and honor our Military Men and Women is disrespectful no matter what you say your intent is. That time is about them, and the time to honor and respect them!!
 
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Cal simply blew it. He should have should real leadership and explained to them what the Anthem is played for, what it means, and how disrespectful it would be to kneel. And yes it is disrespectful no matter your reason, or intent, it is your actions that you are held accountable for. If I'm driving down the road and not paying close attention then see blue lights behind me, and look down and see that I'm driving 65 in a 55 it doesn't matter how many times I tell the officer i didn't mean to, or it wasn't my intent to speed, I was still speeding. The act of kneeling during the Anthem when you are politely requested to please rise and honor our Military Men and Women is disrespectful no matter what you say your intent is. That time is about them, and the time to honor and respect them!!


This is what a real leader does. He doesn't pamper these little brats. He educates them.
 
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I wasn’t going to comment on it, because it is such a hot button topic, but —- Cal blew it.
Wether or not you agree with kneeling is immaterial. Where he botched it was when he said he did it in support of his players, but the back-peddled and openly questioned the timing of the decision when pressed.
You can’t take a position of support only to retreat when things get dicey. I thought that was very weak.
Politically conditioned morals make many people these days give in to the pressure. Sign-O-The-Times.
 

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By gawd them players knelt and I don’t care what they think or feel my feelings are the only ones that matters and that ain’t right you don’t do that to my flag and country I’m done I’ll never watch these hoodlums again!

-ignorant redneck racist uk fan
Says the racist moron who thinks only rednecks are ignorant and feel that way.

Honoring your country is not racist or redneck but, only the ignorant see it this way. Rednecks have the right to speak as well. Go back to your bubble or safe room.
 

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I agree with most of what you said. The piece was made to generate clicks. Where you lost me was downplaying what he did for some of the fanbase because it’s what’s cool politically. Some will get it, some won’t. You put your hand over your heart to honor those who have served and those who have served that can no longer stand for the pledge of allegiance. The country is divided on this, whether they agree with the intentions of what is being done. Simply put there’s a time and place. Disrupting paying tribute to fallen soldiers or soldiers that came back and will never be the same isn’t the right place no matter how cool it is. Whether you agree with that personally or not is your choice but to some it’s everything. Doesn’t make them racist just means they have enough respect for those who never came home to pay respect for a few moments.
Some of the fan base has relatives that never came back or didn’t came back the same. So you’ll have to excuse them for not wanting to go to a UK game and seeing and organized demonstration that takes away the respect of their relative.
Point on. Well said sir.
 

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Cal should have explained to them that the timing of doing this made no sense. You dont make some statement about "their" disrespecting at the same time you are disrespecting. And certainly not the total BS back pedal Cal did with...they are trying to bring us together. WTF

He should have told them to do it on the day of the change of POTUS when Biden is sworn in. This message could be explained as a change in POTUS but we are still here and our situation has not changed. That may have made some sense in the woke big picture. But the timing of when they did it was additionally divisive and simply shredded this fanbase like nothing ever.
 
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The real gist of the article is that you cannot disagree even slightly or try to add context to any SJW action. You must capitulate 100% no matter how ambiguous or over-the-top the protest. We are back to the book burning mentality of the 50s only on the other side.
 
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Racist? I already know your political affiliation.

I guarantee you don’t know my political affiliation. Anyone who immediately dismisses the problem of racial injustice in America by making the point “I don’t care until you thugs stop killing each other in Chicago”, or “Maybe if they had fathers in the home”, is an ignorant, most likely racist mofo who is deflecting from the issue.
 
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My issue with Cal is him saying he was asked by the players to kneel with them but Sarr said in an interview that Cal asked to take a knee with them. If you want to take a knee to show support with your guys do it but don't backpedal when Mitch tells you after the game you just created a firestorm and ticked off a good portion of fans and donors.
 
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I wasn’t going to comment on it, because it is such a hot button topic, but —- Cal blew it.
Wether or not you agree with kneeling is immaterial. Where he botched it was when he said he did it in support of his players, but the back-peddled and openly questioned the timing of the decision when pressed.
You can’t take a position of support only to retreat when things get dicey. I thought that was very weak.
This, if you believe it was right then support it all the way through. If you didn’t, then don’t support it at all.

Would be one thing if it was a black and white thing. Like if you were arguing a dunk is worth three points but then realize it’s worth two, fine then admit you were wrong.

But this is a moral issue. Is he walking it back because of outside pressure (as in anyone but himself) or is he walking it back because that’s what he now feels?

And if that’s how he now feels, what made him change his mind? Did he do some long thinking about it after talking with people with varying opinions then come to that conclusion? Well that’s certainly fine then.

Either way, he has handled the situation poorly.
 
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