Caleb's back

BigEastPhil

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We survived today without him, but that is likely not sustainable with Mag gone as well.

Caleb has a history of back issues. Back spasms can be an issue for days to weeks

Will he be ready to rock against Michigan? It's possible, but not a given
Hopefully the short term. Any PTs on the board who can help!
 

DJ Spanky

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Back spasms can cover a lot, is it lower back? Mid-upper back? Did this just come on or has it been an issue in the days leading up to the game? (Yes I know he's dealt with this in the past.) A lot of different variables work into whether this is just a sudden thing or something chronic which could keep him out for a few games.
 

rob kight

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Pike said he seemed fine in warmups. So it must have been sudden. But we win and the bench got some real playing time that should benefit us for the rest of the season.
 
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Scangg

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Supposedly he could barely walk when it happened. I'm pretty concerned this isn't just a one game issue and he'll be fine

It's always more concerning when someone has a history of back issues
 

DJ Spanky

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Supposedly he could barely walk when it happened. I'm pretty concerned this isn't just a one game issue and he'll be fine

It's always more concerning when someone has a history of back issues

Ah, seeing that it happened during warmups, yes, this is probably symptoms from a more chronic issue, but it is something that can be worked through.
 

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I’m almost 40 with back issues. It can happen at random with a random movement. And the pain can put you out. One good thing an epidural shot can really do wonders. Stretching / shot and he should be g2g for Michigan.

I’m not a doctor, and I also thought mag would be back in a game or two. so that’s that.
 

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I’m almost 40 with back issues. It can happen at random with a random movement. And the pain can put you out. One good thing an epidural shot can really do wonders. Stretching / shot and he should be g2g for Michigan.

I’m not a doctor, and I also thought mag would be back in a game or two. so that’s that.
C arm with Epi might be worthwhile.

MO
 

Scarletnut

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I herniated and ruptured a disc at L3-L4 spontaneously. I have no idea what caused it. Thankfully 2 epidurals and 3 months later it resolved. Tough to say what happened to Caleb
 

RUPete

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I herniated and ruptured a disc at L3-L4 spontaneously. I have no idea what caused it. Thankfully 2 epidurals and 3 months later it resolved. Tough to say what happened to Caleb
Geez, that sucks! And no idea what caused something like that?
 

AZBlues

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I've thought that this could be an ongoing issue with Caleb this season and before. Often when you injure the lower back (depending on what the injury is) even when the initial damage heals, scar tissue can make you less flexible, and can cause additional stress on the discs and vertebrae.. Anything that causes irritation or stress, (especially if prolonged or repeated) to the previously injured area can possibly result in recurrent inflammation, spasms, stiffness, and pain. Can throw off your balance as well. I'm pretty sure I noticed a back support under his jersey previously this season.

When you have a bad back and especially if you're an athlete at top levels of competition, it's often an ongoing process to keep a chronically and intermittently bad back from affecting performance, including routine back stretching and various other treatments, avoiding unnecessary stress to the area, having enough time for game/practice and travel induced lower back inflammation to subside, etc... If that's what Caleb has been going through, then I certainly can understand any possible lapses in performance he may have had on occasion, and I can definitely empathize with him.
 
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FIJI'83

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Steroids will get rid of the spasms, but the underlying cause is the real concern.
 

AZBlues

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Steroids will get rid of the spasms, but the underlying cause is the real concern.
True... I'm not convinced that masking an injury with glucocorticoid steroids and/or analgesics is always the best idea, since rapidly eliminating the pain and spasms that are often intended to help protect an injured area could result in additional damage to the area if the area is re-stressed too soon.. Yes, it will improve the chances for an athlete to continue competing sooner, but the safety and wellbeing of the athlete should be most important.

There's a reason why glucocorticoid type steroids when administered by injectable, oral or rectal route are on the World Anti-Doping list of banned substances during a competition.. And it's for the safety of the athletes. (Anabolic steroids are banned at ALL times, but for anyone who doesn't know, they're very different and have a very different effect than the anti-inflammatory glucocorticoid steroids that include prednisone, dexamethasone, methylprednisolone, triamcinolone, cortisone, hydrocortisone, and many others)
 

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@LETSGORU91 any thoughts on this?
Yeah, backs are a *****. Hopefully and at best, it's just lower back (lumbar) spasms which can be rested and treated as some have mentioned above. As @FIJI'83 said, the underlying cause is the real concern. If it's more than simple spasms and due to herniated disks, associated nerves can be irritated and create further issues. Lower back (L4/L5) herniations can affect butt muscles, the leg all the way down to the top of the foot, cause numbness/weakness, and even bowel incontinence 💩!!!. The lumbar muscles/spine area takes a ton of abuse and the risk is magnified by those who lift heavy/lift incorrectly and those who participate in physical/active sports (wrestling, football, basketball, etc). Rest, NSIADS, physical therapy and may an injection and hopefully Caleb is good to go.
 

DHajekRC84

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I herniated and ruptured a disc at L3-L4 spontaneously. I have no idea what caused it. Thankfully 2 epidurals and 3 months later it resolved. Tough to say what happened to Caleb
You're my inspiration. I got an MRI last month because I could no longer walk for 10 minutes and my entire lower spine had bone spurs, herniated discs ( all of them except L5), and spinal stenosis. When I get back from vacation I am going back to get some shots I'm sure. Its a frackin knightmare and totally embarrassing. Life changing. One day my bowling average is 175. The next I struggle to hit 125.
 

Scarletnut

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You're my inspiration. I got an MRI last month because I could no longer walk for 10 minutes and my entire lower spine had bone spurs, herniated discs ( all of them except L5), and spinal stenosis. When I get back from vacation I am going back to get some shots I'm sure. Its a frackin knightmare and totally embarrassing. Life changing. One day my bowling average is 175. The next I struggle to hit 125.
Mine was strange. I had very little lower back pain but my right leg was in excruciating pain from the pelvic crest area over the quad muscle to the medial aspect of my knee. Classic L3-L4 dermatome. I couldn't lie down without pain, had some relief in the sitting position only. So I was sleep deprived. Started the 3rd week in June, got my first epidural 2 weeks later, my second epidural 2 weeks after that. By September I was back golfing and bowling. Prior to the epidural, no relief with NSAIDs, steroids or Vicodin. Interestingly, I have a little atrophy on my lateral quads but no weakness and no numbness.
 

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I’m almost 40 with back issues. It can happen at random with a random movement. And the pain can put you out. One good thing an epidural shot can really do wonders. Stretching / shot and he should be g2g for Michigan.

I’m not a doctor, and I also thought mag would be back in a game or two. so that’s that.
Epidurals are typically for nerve issues, muscle spasms are unrelated.
 
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Scarletnut

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Epidurals are typically for nerve issues, muscle spasms are unrelated.
That’s correct. Epidurals reduce the inflammation caused by the extruded gel from a ruptured disc that eventually gets resorbed. The reason there is inst pain relief is because the injection contains both a steroid and an anesthetic.
 
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kcg88

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My expert anecdotal contribution to the discussion: I went down on the College Ave Gym floor with a back injury so bad I could hardly breathe. I was back to playing pickup later that week.

Gonna need him against Michigan.
 

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My expert anecdotal contribution to the discussion: I went down on the College Ave Gym floor with a back injury so bad I could hardly breathe. I was back to playing pickup later that week.

Gonna need him against Michigan.
Good thing is he allegedly hurt it during warmups. Hard to imagine whatever happened to his back warming up could be that bad.